Rogers Announces iPhone Plans in Canada

[candan9019]

That's actually not true...Bell and Telus both have $10 unlimited data plans. (Telus' will be $30 for the Diamond, but still.)

Well Telus is $7 and Bell is upping to $10 and that is for unlimited "browsing" on non-smartphones (although the HTC Touch is the exception and now the Instinct) The "browsing" works just as data on those phones so it's pretty much unlimited data like the smartphone plan but cheaper.

Both offer unlimited data for all their smartphones at $30 so ya Bell and Telus definitely have better plans than Rogers. Too bad they don't have the cool phones. Which is the only reason Rogers thinks they can get away with this.

 

[Garemz]

Well Telus is $7 and Bell is upping to $10 and that is for unlimited "browsing" on non-smartphones (although the HTC Touch is the exception and now the Instinct) The "browsing" works just as data on those phones so it's pretty much unlimited data like the smartphone plan but cheaper.

Both offer unlimited data for all their smartphones at $30 so ya Bell and Telus definitely have better plans than Rogers. Too bad they don't have the cool phones. Which is the only reason Rogers thinks they can get away with this.

Thinks or will?

 

[sers]

Just saw a news clip on CBC The National tonight. They mentioned Ruinediphone.com, all the ticked off people, etc., but said that Rogers probably won't change their plans because they are the only carrier in town and can charge pretty much what they want. They also mentioned that Rogers will still probably sell a ton of them on July 11, regardless of the outrage.

Oh well, I won't be one of them. They can stuff it!!

 

[queshy]

They are not doing anything, that's the problem

My point exactly!

They don't care. Jerks.

 

[march]

Financial Post Article

There's an article in the Financial Post about the spectrum auction. There's one quote from the article that is so ridiculous it's comical.

Here's a link to the article

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpposted/archive/2008/07/04/178115.aspx

And here's the quote I found so comical (and by comical I mean so irritating I had to laugh)

Mr. Henderson calls the recent outcry regarding Rogers' iPhone monthly pricing by online blogs and petitions "ridiculous." According to company research, high-end e-mail users might use about 50 MB of data per month, with video and music download making up for the rest of the minimum 400 MB offering.

"The number of customers willing to tie up their iPhone for the 4.5 hours it would take to download one two-hour movie is minimal," Mr. Henderson said. "Movie watchers are far more likely to avail themselves of much faster data speeds over free (unlimited) wi-fi connections for movie downloads."

The full article is worth reading.

 

[geezle27]

My discontent

There are a growing number of Canadians who are dissatisfied with the proposed plans announced by Rogers. It is ridiculous that they are charging so much for service plans and not even giving unlimited data. Why have a device that is designed to constantly have the internet in your pocket and not give the user the option to constantly have the internet in their pocket, without paying through the nose. Common, they even want to charge more for call display, that's crazy.

Why are we treated like this.

Even as I write this I see an add on this page (like most internet add it changes every time I reload) for Telus offering a BlackBerry Pearl at $0 and $15/month for unlimited personal email and instant messaging. Rogers isn't even coming close to competing.

I don't mind paying for the phone itself, but the data plans are exorbitant.

The growing number of people upset are voicing their opinion in an online petition that only after one day has 39,329 signatures (accurate as of time of posting).

http://ruinediphone.com/

I am a huge apple supporter and recommend it to everyone I know, but just can't see buying or recommending a Canadian iPhone to anyone at these service plan prices.

People should sign the petition and both Ted Rogers and Steve Jobs should really take a good look at how they are treating Canadian customers.

 

[Xyl]

There are a growing number of Canadians who are dissatisfied with the proposed plans announced by Rogers. It is ridiculous that they are charging so much for service plans and not even giving unlimited data. Why have a device that is designed to constantly have the internet in your pocket and not give the user the option to constantly have the internet in their pocket, without paying through the nose. Common, they even want to charge more for call display, that's crazy.

Why are we treated like this.

Even as I write this I see an add on this page (like most internet add it changes every time I reload) for Telus offering a BlackBerry Pearl at $0 and $15/month for unlimited personal email and instant messaging. Rogers isn't even coming close to competing.

I don't mind paying for the phone itself, but the data plans are exorbitant.

The growing number of people upset are voicing their opinion in an online petition that only after one day has 39,329 signatures (accurate as of time of posting).

http://ruinediphone.com/

I am a huge apple supporter and recommend it to everyone I know, but just can't see buying or recommending a Canadian iPhone to anyone at these service plan prices.

People should sign the petition and both Ted Rogers and Steve Jobs should really take a good look at how they are treating Canadian customers.

I think it's safe to see most people on these forums have already signed it, and the site has been up for almost a week...

 

[Kane Hart]

I think it's safe to see most people on these forums have already signed it, and the site has been up for almost a week...

lies only 5 hours But really lies it really has been over 1 week... But come on its not like it was front page news...

I mean should have been posted right on the front post of many sites... It is starting to but still most people don't know it that the big dns change and I mean my rogers dns did not update for like 5 days lol.


Anyways its been Id think almost 2 weeks...

Still for the amount of people that seen it and signed it still shows its a big number...

Hack rogers and call each rogers member then ask them to sign and then you will see more haha

 

[Garemz]

Besides not having unlimited Data whats this 150min for $60 a month, thats 5 min a day?

It's a Phone we are suppose to talk on it. WOW are we ever being Husseld big time.

 

[adam1185]

lies only 5 hours But really lies it really has been over 1 week... But come on its not like it was front page news...

I mean should have been posted right on the front post of many sites... It is starting to but still most people don't know it that the big dns change and I mean my rogers dns did not update for like 5 days lol.


Anyways its been Id think almost 2 weeks...

Still for the amount of people that seen it and signed it still shows its a big number...

Hack rogers and call each rogers member then ask them to sign and then you will see more haha

Actually it's been just over a week now. The plans were announced last Friday June 27.

 

[Xyl]

Sound advice from the editorial section of the Vancouver Sun

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/editorial/story.html?id=0def1ab0-a015-4125-8015-b57b21c1c823

The petition has attracted attention in Canada and abroad, but it won't have any effect on Rogers unless consumers follow through with the old-fashioned but simple and reliable strategy for pulling down prices.
If you don't like the price of an iPhone, don't buy it. One side-effect of the year-long wait for iPhones in Canada is that other gadgets, such as the much-talked about Samsung Instinct, are providing new competition.
If Rogers finds it has priced itself out of the market, it won't take a petition to ring in lower prices.

 

[Takeo]

more like FBI, state troopers are like our OPP

Only Ontario has the OPP. Hence the acronym. In other provinces, we have municipal cops and the RCMP. As for the original Mountie comment... yah... that made no sense at all.

p.s... Don't buy a Rogers iPhone

 

[Takeo]

You know what... we should all just relax and wait another year. I have a feeling that anyone signing a 3 year contract with Rogers will end up with a SERIOUS early-adopter migraine a year from now. My guess is that within a year, there will be more competition and much lower rates. I'm gonna just stick with my RAZR for another year and see what happens. It sucks to keep waiting... but there is no way I'm paying those rates.

 

[saiz66]

Don't buy one!

Guys, the only way we will get through Rogers is simply not to buy one.

 

[Garemz]

im sure 90% of the people subscribing to this thread is not going to be an early adapter of High Roger Pricing

 

[Phronetix]

There's an article in the Financial Post about the spectrum auction. There's one quote from the article that is so ridiculous it's comical.

Here's a link to the article

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpposted/archive/2008/07/04/178115.aspx

And here's the quote I found so comical (and by comical I mean so irritating I had to laugh)



The full article is worth reading.

First off, and I think my posts show this, I am not pleased with the Roger's plans. I have written to Rogers, and complained to the Competition Bureau of Canada.

HOWEVER, I happen to agree with the "comical" statement above. Everyone is making these claims over how much data they need, and how they will not be able to enjoy their iPhones because of data limits. I call bullsh** on this one.

The data amounts are fine. How do I know this? I use my iPhone regularly, heavy at times, and I use 100-125 MB data per month. No one who has a data device has yet challenged me on this and only one has claimed significantly more. All I hear are people who have never owned a data device complain how they "need" unlimited data.

You want to know where the iPhone plans fall way short, and will cost you money. Lots of money? It is in the pathetic voice and texting plans. You will be carrying this device around all the time, you will be in constant communication, and you will use a lot of minutes, probably more than you use now. Simply because this is an everything device.

So, when I see the main complaint among the masses who are almost entirely uninitiated to using wireless data complain they need unlimited data at the cost of failing to bring up the real problem (in my opinion) with these plans, I get very frustrated. I look forward to the release and as the weeks go on, when people post their usage.

Dennis

 

[MacinDoc]

im sure 90% of the people subscribing to this thread is not going to be an early adapter of High Roger Pricing

I've not only decided not to pay these ridiculous rates for an iPhone, but I've also advised Rogers that I'm pulling my current 3 wireless accounts and home phone account by August 8 (when the Instinct is released by Bell) if nothing has changed. After all, there's nothing like fear of loss of business to motivate a capitalistic organization...

 

[generationxwing]

First off, and I think my posts show this, I am not pleased with the Roger's plans. I have written to Rogers, and complained to the Competition Bureau of Canada.

HOWEVER, I happen to agree with the "comical" statement above. Everyone is making these claims over how much data they need, and how they will not be able to enjoy their iPhones because of data limits. I call bullsh** on this one.

The data amounts are fine. How do I know this? I use my iPhone regularly, heavy at times, and I use 100-125 MB data per month. No one who has a data device has yet challenged me on this and only one has claimed significantly more. All I hear are people who have never owned a data device complain how they "need" unlimited data.

You want to know where the iPhone plans fall way short, and will cost you money. Lots of money? It is in the pathetic voice and texting plans. You will be carrying this device around all the time, you will be in constant communication, and you will use a lot of minutes, probably more than you use now. Simply because this is an everything device.

So, when I see the main complaint among the masses who are almost entirely uninitiated to using wireless data complain they need unlimited data at the cost of failing to bring up the real problem (in my opinion) with these plans, I get very frustrated. I look forward to the release and as the weeks go on, when people post their usage.

Dennis

Shh! Don't say that! It goes against the herd mentality this thread has developed! Of course, whenever a valid point is made or questions about data usage are asked, these are ignored. So you might be OK.

 

[JamSandwich]

I think it is a wortwhile exercise to ask whether the data is sufficient... but I also think that's hard to determine based on the currently available information -- first-gen iPhone versus the 3G, which will have a lot more data flowing back and forth if people are using a lot of the new features (to say nothing of the increased usability of data once it's moving faster)

Still, 400MB might well be enough -- more than enough -- for most users (and people who are using a lot of WiFi will be fine, I imagine). But there's always that cap looming, and the knowledge that exceeding it means really expensive overage fees.

I guess the other question worth asking is if they don't expect users to need more than 400MB, why don't they create a caps at flashier numbers (i.e: 500MB, 1GB, 2GB, 5GB?)... I'm very interested to see how the people who do take the plunge fare in terms of data, especially if they're not using Wifi.

 

[Xyl]

Shh! Don't say that! It goes against the herd mentality this thread has developed! Of course, whenever a valid point is made or questions about data usage are asked, these are ignored. So you might be OK.

Actually, you're wrong. There's been people that have used the iPhone that have said not enough data, and then there's some that have said it is. Why should I believe you and not the other person? Why should I believe the other person and not you? In fact, the picture that it paints is that you MIGHT be going over, and you MIGHT not be. In other words - it shows me absolutely nothing.

So maybe the base plan is enough for me. What if it's not? I don't want to be stuck in a 3-year contract paying for the next higher plan which will be over 100 after SAF, other fees, and taxes. So what's the safest route? Not to buy one at all until they increase the data buckets.

 

[clmason]

First off, and I think my posts show this, I am not pleased with the Roger's plans. I have written to Rogers, and complained to the Competition Bureau of Canada.

HOWEVER, I happen to agree with the "comical" statement above. Everyone is making these claims over how much data they need, and how they will not be able to enjoy their iPhones because of data limits. I call bullsh** on this one.

The data amounts are fine. How do I know this? I use my iPhone regularly, heavy at times, and I use 100-125 MB data per month. No one who has a data device has yet challenged me on this and only one has claimed significantly more. All I hear are people who have never owned a data device complain how they "need" unlimited data.

You want to know where the iPhone plans fall way short, and will cost you money. Lots of money? It is in the pathetic voice and texting plans. You will be carrying this device around all the time, you will be in constant communication, and you will use a lot of minutes, probably more than you use now. Simply because this is an everything device.

So, when I see the main complaint among the masses who are almost entirely uninitiated to using wireless data complain they need unlimited data at the cost of failing to bring up the real problem (in my opinion) with these plans, I get very frustrated. I look forward to the release and as the weeks go on, when people post their usage.

Dennis

If that's the case, they why wouldn't Rogers offer unlimited with all plans? It would cost them nothing, since they know almost no one would ever go over. But it would benefit them tremendously from a marketing point of view and would benefit them over their competitors, who *do* have unlimited plans. Doesn't make sense to me.

 

[aristotle]

If that's the case, they why wouldn't Rogers offer unlimited with all plans? It would cost them nothing, since they know almost no one would ever go over. But it would benefit them tremendously from a marketing point of view and would benefit them over their competitors, who *do* have unlimited plans. Doesn't make sense to me.

Because while most people will probably not use more than the limits, they could be sued by someone if a lot of people started using the data and over-saturated and they could not access what they needed or they could get sued by a jerkwad who got cut off or throttled by Rogers because they were going way over the reasonable levels every month. After all, it would be "unlimited" right? Most unlimited plans are not unlimited if you look in the fine print. Companies will not usually do anything if you only use heavily intermittently.
They are looking to protect themselves for litigious people.

BTW. Rogers is offering "free" (to iPhone plan subscribers) unlimited data through the inter-carrier WiFi hotspots located at most Starbucks and Second Cup locations across Canada as well as convention centres, hotels and airports.

http://www.canadianhotspot.ca/

Problem solved. No big searching for an obscure hotspot since they would be all over the place.

 

[Xyl]

Because while most people will probably not use more than the limits, they could be sued by someone if a lot of people started using the data and over-saturated and they could not access what they needed or they could get sued by a jerkwad who got cut off or throttled by Rogers because they were going way over the reasonable levels every month. After all, it would be "unlimited" right? Most unlimited plans are not unlimited if you look in the fine print. Companies will not usually do anything if you only use heavily intermittently.
They are looking to protect themselves for litigious people.

And this is what soft caps are for. AT&T's "unlimited" isn't truly unlimited either, but do you see people complaining about it? No.

 

[clmason]

Because while most people will probably not use more than the limits, they could be sued by someone if a lot of people started using the data and over-saturated and they could not access what they needed or they could get sued by a jerkwad who got cut off or throttled by Rogers because they were going way over the reasonable levels every month. After all, it would be "unlimited" right? Most unlimited plans are not unlimited if you look in the fine print. Companies will not usually do anything if you only use heavily intermittently.
They are looking to protect themselves for litigious people.

BTW. Rogers is offering "free" (to iPhone plan subscribers) unlimited data through the inter-carrier WiFi hotspots located at most Starbucks and Second Cup locations across Canada as well as convention centres, hotels and airports.

http://www.canadianhotspot.ca/

Problem solved. No big searching for an obscure hotspot since they would be all over the place.

No hotspots in cottage country.

 

[aristotle]

No hotspots in cottage country.

If you are at your cottage, you have no business surfing the net with your phone. Don't cottages have internet access with Wifi these days?

I have to seriously say this. I truly feel sorry for people who are unable to turn off their blackberry or other smart phone even to enjoy a meal with family or friends. I like to call the blackberry the crackberry.
It should be considered extremely bad manners if you use your crackberry, smart phone or iPhone at:
At a restaurant during a meal regardless of whether it is a business meeting or not.
At someone's home during a meal.
At the opera.
At the movie theatre.
At church for any occasion.
While visiting friends or family in their living room.
In an airplane on the tarmac.

For crying out loud, shut off your device because nobody is that important.