Welp... So much for me getting the iPhone... I just love how Rogers continues to f*ck their customers around without any competition to keep them in check. I just wish somebody like Verizon or another large company would come into Canada and knock them a few pegs down...
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Rogers Announces iPhone Plans in Canada
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With Rogers, it's $20 per remaining month in the voice contract, to a maximum of $400. You also have to pay an additional ETF to cancel any data contract you may have in addition to the voice contract.
Overcharge for data plans is dumb. It's not a good strategy at this point. Carriers still need to create and expand a market for this. With iPhone we finally get a smooth browsing experience on a cellphone and its launch is a great opportunity to invite new costumers to enjoy new services. To make it a luxury service isn't as profitable as it could be as a mass product. Carriers can't rely their income only on voice anymore, secondary services are a big deal.
Now That We Know Rogers Voice/Data Plan...
Where is the data plan on its own?
AT&T has voice/data and data plans.
P-79
Where is the data plan on its own?
AT&T has voice/data and data plans.
P-79
You must be joking
Bloody outrageous. Ripoff. And Apple is quietly standing by and letting this happen? So they'll sell about 20 iphones in Canada, and then the press will be ranting on about how its failed north of the border, and Apple will be left with egg on its face. Doesn't do much for corporate image.
$100 /month would have been just tolerable for unlimited data. But 400MB?!?!
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Bloody outrageous. Ripoff. And Apple is quietly standing by and letting this happen? So they'll sell about 20 iphones in Canada, and then the press will be ranting on about how its failed north of the border, and Apple will be left with egg on its face. Doesn't do much for corporate image.
$100 /month would have been just tolerable for unlimited data. But 400MB?!?!
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Right, otherwise, how could they send you their latest promotion... Annoying, really.
And how great it is to receive SMS from friends but being charged 25¢ per reply... As far as I'm concerned, they could take the free incoming texts option out altogether.
I've re-opened a dialogue with Rogers that I had a short while ago about the iPhone and associated things. I'm in two minds as to what the reply will be, but I'm expecting a "we don't have the information just yet" type reply, but am hoping to be pleasantly surprised. I'll report back what I'm told if it's anything useful.
I guess our rumored plans are nnot so bad
I guess the rumored plans from Telcel for the iPhone 3G in Mexico are not bad in comparison:
$80/month, 700 minutes, Unlimited data, 200 SMS. Cost of the ipHone: 16 GB ($120 usd), 8GB (Free).
These rates are just rumors. but they certainly look better than up North. Eh!
Rogers announced pricing for the iPhone 3G in Canada today. iPhone 3G combined voice and data plans start at $60 and will be available starting July 11th.The data plans, however, are not unlimited as had been rumored. The new rate plans are detailed below:
- $60/month. 150 minutes + unlimited evenings/weekends, 400 MB Data, 75 SMS sent, unlimited incoming SMS
- $75/month. 300 minutes + unlimited evenings/weekends, 750 MB Data, 100 SMS sent, unlimited incoming SMS
- $100/month. 600 minutes + unlimited evenings/weekends, 1 GB Data, 200 SMS sent, unlimited incoming SMS
- $115/month. 800 minutes + unlimited evenings/weekends, 2 GB Data, 300 SMS sent, unlimited incoming SMS
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I guess the rumored plans from Telcel for the iPhone 3G in Mexico are not bad in comparison:
$80/month, 700 minutes, Unlimited data, 200 SMS. Cost of the ipHone: 16 GB ($120 usd), 8GB (Free).
These rates are just rumors. but they certainly look better than up North. Eh!
The Free Market at work my friends - if you think you'll get screwed, let 'em know by not shopping there (there are other phones available).
Also, does AT&T still have rollover minutes for new iPhone plans? I'm on an older AT&T contract and I have 8,000 anytime mins stacked up.
Also, does AT&T still have rollover minutes for new iPhone plans? I'm on an older AT&T contract and I have 8,000 anytime mins stacked up.
Nice job, Rogers
Ok, maybe its time for someone to create a standard chart listing iPhone3G carrier rates in each country it is offered. Maybe the two year cost for some generic plans... EG....
Plan1: Unlimited data, unlimited voice, unlimited Text, regular features (call display,etc)
Plan2: Unlimited data, 500mins, free evenings and weekends, 500 text,regular features (call display,etc)
Plan3: 500MB data, 150mins, free evenings and weekends, 25 text,regular features (call display,etc)
(an evening that starts at 9pm is NOT an evening to me...)
AT&T plan1= $120, plan2= $70, plan3= $60
Rogers plan1= N/A, plan2= N/A, plan3= $110
O2 plan1= $130, plan2= $95, plan3= $65
Normalized to the same currency with all applicable taxes and fees, I'm sure it would be surprising to see just how far off the map the Rogers plans are. This is almost worse than not having the iPhone here in the first place.
Ok, maybe its time for someone to create a standard chart listing iPhone3G carrier rates in each country it is offered. Maybe the two year cost for some generic plans... EG....
Plan1: Unlimited data, unlimited voice, unlimited Text, regular features (call display,etc)
Plan2: Unlimited data, 500mins, free evenings and weekends, 500 text,regular features (call display,etc)
Plan3: 500MB data, 150mins, free evenings and weekends, 25 text,regular features (call display,etc)
(an evening that starts at 9pm is NOT an evening to me...)
AT&T plan1= $120, plan2= $70, plan3= $60
Rogers plan1= N/A, plan2= N/A, plan3= $110
O2 plan1= $130, plan2= $95, plan3= $65
Normalized to the same currency with all applicable taxes and fees, I'm sure it would be surprising to see just how far off the map the Rogers plans are. This is almost worse than not having the iPhone here in the first place.
This makes them the most expensive 3G service in Canada. Both Bell and Telus have unlimited browsing plans.
Telus just recently brought out an unlimited 3G internet plan for Blackberry's. The ONLY catch is you can't use it with Blackberry Enterprise Server (they have different plans for that).
But I have unlimited web browsing, unlimited downloads, etc. with Telus on my 3G Blackberry for $30/month.
What I think is funny, is that Telus and Bell have jumped the shark by thinking they had to preempt what they thought was going to be competitive pricing from Rogers.
Essentially, if you can live with a CDMA-based 3G device like a HTC Touch, or a Blackberry... you can get unlimited 3G with Bell and Telus now for prices comparable to the US.
You can probably thank the iPhone for that, but you won't enjoy any such prices with the iPhone itself.
Telus just recently brought out an unlimited 3G internet plan for Blackberry's. The ONLY catch is you can't use it with Blackberry Enterprise Server (they have different plans for that).
But I have unlimited web browsing, unlimited downloads, etc. with Telus on my 3G Blackberry for $30/month.
What I think is funny, is that Telus and Bell have jumped the shark by thinking they had to preempt what they thought was going to be competitive pricing from Rogers.
Essentially, if you can live with a CDMA-based 3G device like a HTC Touch, or a Blackberry... you can get unlimited 3G with Bell and Telus now for prices comparable to the US.
You can probably thank the iPhone for that, but you won't enjoy any such prices with the iPhone itself.
Here is what Rogers told me about ECF's
"You also inquired about early cancellation fees. Please note we do
require 30 days notice for cancellation and an Early Cancellation Fee is
mandatory and is applied to all wireless accounts that are on a
contract. The fee is $20 per month, maximum $400, and minimum $100 for
the remaining months of the commitment. For more information about our
terms and conditions please visit www.rogers.com/terms."
So, it's a min of $100 and max of $400. As I upgraded my handset in January 08, I had to sign a new 3 year contract, as I've more than 20 months left on the contract I'd have to pay the may $400 to get out of it.
caller ID??
That being said however, why do people always want to include "Caller ID" in the packages? It seems to me that by virtue of your contacts list in your address book, that you already have caller ID of a sort for free on the iPhone. Caller ID as a system feature would only be needed to who you the phone number of people not already in your address book wouldn't it? And how often will that happen?
Considering the $15 dollar price, why would anyone need caller ID that bad?
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Thanks for the intelligent and readable breakdown. I think it's hard to disagree that these prices are a complete rip-off.
That being said however, why do people always want to include "Caller ID" in the packages? It seems to me that by virtue of your contacts list in your address book, that you already have caller ID of a sort for free on the iPhone. Caller ID as a system feature would only be needed to who you the phone number of people not already in your address book wouldn't it? And how often will that happen?
Considering the $15 dollar price, why would anyone need caller ID that bad?
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As was kindly pointed out before, minimum cost per month will be $76.22. Let's see what I'm currently paying:
Voice Plan: + $25
200 minutes
Unlimited early evenings/weekends starting at 5pm
All network features
Value Pack: + $11
Caller ID w/ name display
Enhanced voicemail
125 sent txt/unlimited received
WhoCalled
Misc. account credit: - $5
Value Pack discount: -33.3%
System access fee: +$6.95
911 fee: +$0.50
Total: $40.35/month
This includes no data, but there are WiFi hotspots everywhere and I'm on campus 60% of the time and at home 20% of the time. Also, with 3G I'd be really tempted to use data all the time.
I get more minutes, earlier evenings, more texts and an insignificantly lower amount of data (okay, none) - all for ~53% of the cost.
I'll stick with iPhone version 1.
Voice Plan: + $25
200 minutes
Unlimited early evenings/weekends starting at 5pm
All network features
Value Pack: + $11
Caller ID w/ name display
Enhanced voicemail
125 sent txt/unlimited received
WhoCalled
Misc. account credit: - $5
Value Pack discount: -33.3%
System access fee: +$6.95
911 fee: +$0.50
Total: $40.35/month
This includes no data, but there are WiFi hotspots everywhere and I'm on campus 60% of the time and at home 20% of the time. Also, with 3G I'd be really tempted to use data all the time.
I get more minutes, earlier evenings, more texts and an insignificantly lower amount of data (okay, none) - all for ~53% of the cost.
I'll stick with iPhone version 1.
The most often figure I've heard thrown around is that it costs Rogers 4 to 5 cents per megabyte to provide data services.
(That, or course, is a made-up number which only really attempts to account for Rogers' up-front capital investment to install the high-speed data network in the first place, pro rated over a decade or so, and then divided by the average data usage on the network. The incremental cost of the physical act of sending data packets across the network is really a much smaller number.)
With a plan set at $30 for the first 400MB, Rogers will be bringing in a worst-case rate of 7.5 cents per MB, with a worst-case profit of 2.5 to 3.5 cents per MB. (Of course, the less data you use per month, the better Rogers' profit margin would be.)
I'd say it is worse. MUCH worse. They're teasing us by bringing it here, but they won't provide a decent plan. We're screwed if we go along with them, and we're screwed if we don't. I don't want to give them my money, but it's gonna suck seeing everybody else with one
It seems to me that Rogers charges extra even for the numeric-only caller ID service.
Well, being in Canada I don't have an iPhone, and now I'm not sure I'm going to be getting one, but without CallerID, the phone can't tell who's calling, so it would not be able to bring up the contact of the caller (and their photo, etc.) when the call comes in. It is just such a basic feature (almost fundamental to something like the iPhone) that it really shouldn't be an add-on feature at all, but if they think they can charge $15/month and get away with it...
Outrageous
I was an early adopter of the iPod touch as I couldn't wait for iPhone to hit Canada, and thank god I picked up a touch, because these plans are horrifying. I make a decent living, but would never shell out that kind of cash for an awful plan. Rogers is not only destroying their middle class customer base, they are also alienating corporations from adopting the iPhone. What a royal screw over. It's like Apple beautifully packaged the iPhone, and then Rogers took a dump in every box. Enough with the corporate bullying.
I was an early adopter of the iPod touch as I couldn't wait for iPhone to hit Canada, and thank god I picked up a touch, because these plans are horrifying. I make a decent living, but would never shell out that kind of cash for an awful plan. Rogers is not only destroying their middle class customer base, they are also alienating corporations from adopting the iPhone. What a royal screw over. It's like Apple beautifully packaged the iPhone, and then Rogers took a dump in every box. Enough with the corporate bullying.
My pleasure. I thought it might help out others to see what a real world cost would be, and what I'm facing if I want to purchase an iPhone 3G.
You may have the persons details in your address book, but when they phone there still needs to be something there to allow the lookup between the incoming call and the address book and that is where caller ID comes into play. If you don't have it then the number will not be sent to the phone, thus the phone does not know who is calling and cannot match up the number to the address book entry.
My thought on why you're having to pay for caller-id is that enhanced voicemail from Rogers is usually $8 per month, and as voicemail is included in the price plan for the iPhone, they need to make up the shortfall somewhere, so don't include caller-id, forcing people to pay for it, and whilst we're at it, let's add in a few additional bits so as not to look really greedy, and thus we can charge $15 per month for it instead of $8.