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Just moved to Toronto from the UK,

The Canadian are being screwed by Rogers big time.

Even the basic rate is poor, 400MB that's a waste of time and I assume that's up and down traffic.

Paying for caller ID and incoming calls is something from the dark ages. 3 year contract, again. 18 months would be OK.

Come on T-Mobile get to Canada and kick some ass, even Carphonewarehouse, come to canada and show Rogers how it's done.

Lets have a pay as you go iPhone.

Does Canada have OFCOM, www.ofcom.org.uk if not lets start one.


Time to understand how business works.

Canada is larger than the US, yet, we got approx 30 million people. For a few million users (maybe less), a cell phone carrier has to build one of the world's largest network to offer the same kind of coverage and quality. Imagine the cost to revenue ratio.
 
Yeah......Rogers can go **** themselves! Since the iPhone is geared towards kids and not serious people, how the hell do they expect the kids to pay a MINIMUM of $60 per month??? Are they ****ing stupid???
 
It's simply AMAZING that you guys in the US and Canada still have to pay/bill received calls...this is so 1990s and unbelievably lame.

Another proof that Europeans, Brazilians and most major civilized markets are WAAAY ahead of those two markets in mobile telephony. You really need to step up the cause with your politicians, because your conditions are worse than Africa's...really.

If I don't pay for receiving the call, then who will pay for it?

Regardless of whether we're talking about a wireless or a land-line phone, there are costs incurred at multiple levels in a phone call:
1) Making a connection from the originating phone to the originating local exchange.
2) Making a connection from the originating local exchange to the receiving local exchange.
3) Making a connection from the receiving local exchange to the receiving phone.

If the originator is a land-line phone, then there will be no costs incurred at step 1. If the originator is a cell phone, then there will be airtime costs incurred at step 1.

If the originator and receiver are both phone numbers registered within the same local calling area, then no costs will be incurred in step 2. If the originator and receiver are phone numbers located within two different local calling areas, then long distance charges are incurred in step 2.

If the receiver is a land-line phone, then there will be no costs incurred at step 3. If the receiver is a cell phone, then there will be air time costs incurred at step 3. There may also be additional long distance charges incurred at step 3 if the cellular receiver is connected to a tower that is outside their registered local calling area.

The originator is responsible for all the costs incurred at steps 1 and 2. The receiver is responsible for all costs incurred at step 3. It all seems perfectly equitable to me.

Some times, telephone service providers offer promotions in which they offer to absorb some or all of those usage costs under certain circumstances. They can only afford to do so, though, by charging a premium rate for the basic monthly connection fee.
 
400MB = 200,000 e-mails Rogers?

Hmm.. let's see:

400 = 409,600KB
409,600KB / 200,000 e-mails = approx 2.05KB per e-mail!

Seriously, Ted?

That's assuming the 400MB is only counted for downstream... but anyone who uses Rogers cable internet knows the whole bandwidth limit + overcharge story

With "system access fee", 911, and taxes, this is brutal rape.
 
Silly as this may sound, but would an email to Steve (or just lots of media coverage to get his attention) describing how underwhelmed the supporters of Apple and it's iPhone 3G are with the treatment they will/are receiving from Rogers who will be the only carrier (Fido being a sub-set of Rogers, plus having the same plans) of the iPhone in Canada, do anything?

Perhaps a message to CityNews, get them to poll people on the street, asking if they think 300 + 95 per month is something they would pay for an iPhone 3G. Hopefully one of them would be an Apple fan, and say they'd love an iPhone 3G, but the price plan is just ridiculous, especially compared to what AT&T offers in the US.
 
How many times you are connected to a wi-fi network, how many times you really need to get connected on 3G. Come on, get real... Unless you want to impress people by showing a youtube clip at the beach. The 75$+tx+activation+911 is pretty close from 100$ and I still need the early 6 pm night unlimited. I had the 25$ for 4MB last month, some improvment here.

not too many free wifi areas here. and i live in downtown toronto.
 
maybe thats the reason~

Actually Rogers is so good, they just trying to protect local cellphone man. RIM.......... making a sky high price plan, so no one willing to sign up the plan, then less iPhone sell, and no enterprise sign up the plan, so RIM can keep their selling scale linear ...... good to protect RIM .. way to go Rogers:mad:
 
Damn and I thought our plans were bad. I'm so glad we have several different service providers. Who makes you pay for caller ID in 2008? Shouldn't that be STANDARD??

And I'm not even gonna ask why there's no unlimited data or unlimited text message plan...
 
Time to understand how business works.

Canada is larger than the US, yet, we got approx 30 million people. For a few million users (maybe less), a cell phone carrier has to build one of the world's largest network to offer the same kind of coverage and quality. Imagine the cost to revenue ratio.

Yes, but that's everything. All the unihabitable, or sparsely habitated lands up north. Most Canadians live in a 100mile wide corridor that follows the US border. Some of the urban areas are the most densely populated in North America. So using this as an excuse for the Canadian cell phone companies not to match their American counterparts' infrastructure doesn't wash.
 
I believe we can take the Caller ID alone, which is still a freaking 7$ a month alone, when this cost nothing at all to the carrier!
The Value pack includes other things that we do not need at all, so let's hope that we can take the 7$ Caller ID.

400M is ridiculous. What I hate with such plans, it's that I have to worry of my phone use all the time, so I won't use it like I could and like I should, being always afraid to use to much.
I don't think I'm a power user, maybe I would only use 500-600M on an unlimited plan, but I hate having a stupid limit like this, I don't want to calculate the weight of each thing I load. With the GPS and plans, it will be horrible, I will always be afraid to download too much maps from google maps when using it!

Like, where the hell does their 3100 web pages comes from? 1996?
Now web pages weight at least 1-2 mb each, not 25k like 12 years ago!
10 years ago, on my 33.6 baud dialup connection, I think I was downloading way more than 400M a month!!

I'm really disappointed by such a plan. Probably the worst iPhone plan in the world!
Really, Bravo Rogers! Bravo!
 
400MB = 200,000 e-mails Rogers?

Hmm.. let's see:

400 = 409,600KB
409,600KB / 200,000 e-mails = approx 2.05KB per e-mail!

Seriously, Ted?

That's assuming the 400MB is only counted for downstream... but anyone who uses Rogers cable internet knows the whole bandwidth limit + overcharge story

With "system access fee", 911, and taxes, this is brutal rape.

They still living in old day, have only plain text email with 2 lines of word... no wonder
 
Time to understand how business works.

Canada is larger than the US, yet, we got approx 30 million people. For a few million users (maybe less), a cell phone carrier has to build one of the world's largest network to offer the same kind of coverage and quality. Imagine the cost to revenue ratio.

dude im in southern ontario and you cannot tell me that canada doesnt have concentrated areas ok.... i mean for F^&*^'s Sakes couldint they have offered better plans in areas where ITS NOT WIDELY SPREAD.... we live in 2008 not the stoneage
 
Yeah......Rogers can go **** themselves! Since the iPhone is geared towards kids and not serious people, how the hell do they expect the kids to pay a MINIMUM of $60 per month??? Are they ****ing stupid???

UMMM ... Since when was the iPhone geared towards kids??:confused:
Why do kids even own cellphones??

That's one of the funniest comments I read today!!!:D

Thanks.:D
 
Damn and I thought our plans were bad. I'm so glad we have several different service providers. Who makes you pay for caller ID in 2008? Shouldn't that be STANDARD??

And I'm not even gonna ask why there's no unlimited data or unlimited text message plan...

caller ID is an extra charge even for land lines in canada
 
Hahaha, man those plans suck. Maybe this will be good news for other Canadian carriers who will (or at least should!) offer better plans for similar touchscreen phones like the Samsung Instinct and so forth...

Canada obviously needs more competition in the wireless space. Or, at least in the GSM space - the only reason Rogers is the exclusive iPhone carrier is because they are the only GSM carrier in Canada - everyone else is CDMA. That will all change when LTE comes out, but that won't be for several years yet... anywho...
 
dude im in southern ontario and you cannot tell me that canada doesnt have concentrated areas ok.... i mean for F^&*^'s Sakes couldint they have offered better plans in areas where ITS NOT WIDELY SPREAD.... we live in 2008 not the stoneage

Canadian phone companies are required to subsidize their rural and isolated customers to keep their costs as close as possible to the rates paid for the same service in more densely populated areas. The only exception is for locations so isolated that it is technologically or commercially infeasible to provide equivalent service.
 
Time to understand how business works.

Canada is larger than the US, yet, we got approx 30 million people. For a few million users (maybe less), a cell phone carrier has to build one of the world's largest network to offer the same kind of coverage and quality. Imagine the cost to revenue ratio.

Sounds like a good fact, but the Rogers network does not extend far outside the big urban areas anyway and empty space in between doesn't really add up to the cost of building a network. It is hard to see how they are planning to ever reach a cell phone penetration of 100+ percent...
 
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