Actually 2+ years. The first time they admitted that they needed to come up with a new Mac Pro design was 2017.
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Actually 2+ years. The first time they admitted that they needed to come up with a new Mac Pro design was 2017.
You could hear the crowd go rather quiet when they realised they're getting slugged with paying extra for a stand for their monitor?? Next model, you gonna have to pay for the power cable as an extra....
It shows that many who whined about Apple to make whatever desktop/pro stuff don't even know what they're talking about.
That doesn't mean they started designing it at the same time they admitted the failure. They may have noticed it before even releasing the 2013 one for all we know.
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The guy you're replying to still isn't wrong. Nobody's even necessarily forgetting what they get for the money, they're just going for the best deal.
Generally, the Mac Pro has been a good deal if you need the hardware you're paying for. The Trashcan was an exception; it was cheaper than the sum of its parts at launch, but the lack of expandability makes it seem not worth to anyone, especially when you can upgrade a Cheesegrater to be faster than it in many respects, and even more after they left it untouched for 6 years.
Or to put it more correctly, some of the customers expect Apple to be just like another Lenovo/Acer and release some $500 beige boxes that they can use to play their torrented games.
This new Mac Pro answered the biggest demands of many pros, which is expandability and modularity with a lot of headroom than the constrained previous gen Mac Pro.
Looks to be "gen 3", according to their specs...
Assuming "gen 3" means 3.0.
And it looks like PCIe 5.0 is officially released now...
Tell me Apple is not releasing this Mac Pro with PCIe technologies two generations out of date?!?!?!?!
But I still want the $1200 beige box! I'm a software engineer and computer scientist. I don't need creative pro hardware but do need something faster and more expandable than the average machines. There are probably creative pros of different types who want that too. Nothing's wrong with being able to play games as well. I feel like they just don't want to cannibalize iMac sales.
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i guess simply way more expensive as the market for powerful desktops has shrunk versus when i bought my 2010 mp in 2011 for £2000 ish.
a imac, maybe a mac mini is good enough for me nowdays and i usually buy second hand on apple computers anyway for typically half price after 3-4years.
i guess youll have to wait 10years before its affordable... on fleabay
a imac, maybe a mac mini is good enough for me nowdays and i usually buy second hand on apple computers anyway for typically half price after 3-4years.
i guess youll have to wait 10years before its affordable... on fleabay
I'm warming to this design, after some real initial shock. I still don't like its little feet though BUT...
Looking at this product shot, the wheel unit seems to disappear into the case. Does that mean they screw in? Perhaps the user can just remove the feet entirely? That is assuming the WIFI / Bluetooth antenna isn't on the bottom of the machine like the old Cheese grater.
Looking at this product shot, the wheel unit seems to disappear into the case. Does that mean they screw in? Perhaps the user can just remove the feet entirely? That is assuming the WIFI / Bluetooth antenna isn't on the bottom of the machine like the old Cheese grater.
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When they said a "modular" Mac Pro was coming, and then released Pro-grade Mac mini's, I thought that was it. So now we have mini's that are way overpriced and another Mac Pro. Maybe the mini's were a stop-gap measure and they'll refactor the next version to be cheaper again. Let's hope! I need some, but I ain't paying $999 CAD for them! No way.
yes, I would complaint about them if that is true. I do not look at Dell or HP for buying my own rigs.
What is the point of having a pro machine for video if you cannot even store the raw videos...before you mention get an external storage, you will diminish the performance by using external storage for storing raw and ongoing processing. External storage should be for exactly that, "storage" not for a live workflow.
My laptop has a 256GB ssd, and with just regular development use, I need external storage...you need the internal storage for the use that machine is intended for, else makes no sense. A TB of storage is dirt cheap, the question will now be, can you replace the 256ssd or is it fixed like in the iMac and MB pro.
This seems verifiable... Do creative pros here find TB3 external storage not fast enough? I don't think Apple is simply dumb enough to make that mistake.
TB3 in theory does 40Gbps full duplex. That's 5GiB/s. That seems like enough if you have a cable per physical SSD.
The feet are fixed as part of the space-frame design. How do the wheels attach? To the feet? Beside the feet?
Yes they are, AMD’s new chips support PCIE 4, and Gigabyte have launched a new NVME SSD for it at 5GBPS speeds:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/14391/gigabyte-teases-pcie-4-ssd
The new Mac Pro SSD’s run at 2.6 read and 2.7gbps write, so around half the speed PCIE 4 seems to offer.
It I’ll be interesting to see a new AMD Ryzen 3 system using PCIE 4 benchmarked against the new Mac Pro, I suspect the Mac Pro will run faster?
Pro Machines always costed a lot. I still remember when, for an architect office, you had to buy a Pro machine. Nowadays you can run any CAD software on pretty much any Mac, rendering aside, of course. To be able to run a decent CAD software back in 1997 you had to purchase a Power Macintosh. The Power Macintosh 9600 used to cost (basis model) USD 4'700 which, adjusted to inflation, amounts to 7'400 USD (screen not included). So yeah, Pro machines are NOT for the general user, nor are they intended to be. Fortunately, the average computing power of modern day machines allows most professionals to skip the very top of the line computers and still get the job done egregiously.
There's still a niche where raw power is needed as it turns to time spared, which then turns to A LOT OF MONEY SPARED. I see this every day. If a professional is paid to stare into a monitor while the computer "works" then it might be time to think about how many hours weekly/yearly said professional is "idle" because the machine cannot keep up. You eventually reach a tipping point where a more performant machine is justified because it SAVES money on "idle times" of people (which is much more expensive).
So yes, the Mac Pro might be dedicated to a very small market, but this market is very attentive to these factors and therefore can justify said prices because they allow to save money in great scheme of things.
And, as usual, tech innovation inevitably tickles down to consumer level machines. Pushing the envelope is needed for the Mac and Apple becoming serious about it again is nice to see.
And, overall, although not my cup of tea, I like that Apple experiments a bit with design, although it seems a self reference "retro" design.
There's still a niche where raw power is needed as it turns to time spared, which then turns to A LOT OF MONEY SPARED. I see this every day. If a professional is paid to stare into a monitor while the computer "works" then it might be time to think about how many hours weekly/yearly said professional is "idle" because the machine cannot keep up. You eventually reach a tipping point where a more performant machine is justified because it SAVES money on "idle times" of people (which is much more expensive).
So yes, the Mac Pro might be dedicated to a very small market, but this market is very attentive to these factors and therefore can justify said prices because they allow to save money in great scheme of things.
And, as usual, tech innovation inevitably tickles down to consumer level machines. Pushing the envelope is needed for the Mac and Apple becoming serious about it again is nice to see.
And, overall, although not my cup of tea, I like that Apple experiments a bit with design, although it seems a self reference "retro" design.
yes, I would complaint about them if that is true. I do not look at Dell or HP for buying my own rigs.
What is the point of having a pro machine for video if you cannot even store the raw videos...before you mention get an external storage, you will diminish the performance by using external storage for storing raw and ongoing processing. External storage should be for exactly that, "storage" not for a live workflow.
My laptop has a 256GB ssd, and with just regular development use, I need external storage...you need the internal storage for the use that machine is intended for, else makes no sense. A TB of storage is dirt cheap, the question will now be, can you replace the 256ssd or is it fixed like in the iMac and MB pro
Putting the issue aside of now having to buy an external TB3 storage on top of the already expensive pro rig, and assuming the TB3 external storage actually support 40Gbps transfer rate, are your CPU cycles used efficiently compared to internal bus transfer speeds? I am not sure.
how about the 4 castors for $399 (do not complain, Jony's team spent months on the design.....)
We’ll have the option of a nice second hand one of these to fill that mid ground in a year or two.
the price (especially the $999 stand) makes me to wonder, whether Angela fixed the price (as her last task on the position) and then left the company.
I don’t see myself as a ‘hater’ or ‘complainer’ as I’ve been using Macs for 25 years but I am bitterly disappointed.
As a commercial photographer I am ‘Pro’ , I’ve been using my pimped out 2010 Mac Pro waiting for this announcement. As an image maker I’d prefer a separate screen and the ability to update a modular design. As others have pointed out in 2010 we had a choice of expensive but not ridiculously so screen sizes. We also had a Mac Pro that was expensive but available at a lower entry point.
I make a decent living from image making and was looking to drop circa 5-6 thousand pounds (7500 Dollars) on a Pro and screen, I was thinking 27-30 inch 4-5k. Something to replace my Eizo (very Pro) which replaced my 23 inch ACD (good screen).
I'd say I was one Apple's dream customers (Mac Pro, Mac Book Pro, iPad Pro, iPhone XS, Mac Mini under my TV (not even counting my wife and daughters stuff) No Apple Watch, it's not Pro enough!(I have a Garmin Fenix). But quite simply I think that this misses the mark for a very big slice of the 'Pro' market, people who I think, still have proper money to drop on a 'Pro' set up, but simply can not justify these machines. These announcements add to my growing disenchantment with Apple.
I will probably end up buying an iMac Pro with a heavy heart, talk about First World problems, but there you go.
As a commercial photographer I am ‘Pro’ , I’ve been using my pimped out 2010 Mac Pro waiting for this announcement. As an image maker I’d prefer a separate screen and the ability to update a modular design. As others have pointed out in 2010 we had a choice of expensive but not ridiculously so screen sizes. We also had a Mac Pro that was expensive but available at a lower entry point.
I make a decent living from image making and was looking to drop circa 5-6 thousand pounds (7500 Dollars) on a Pro and screen, I was thinking 27-30 inch 4-5k. Something to replace my Eizo (very Pro) which replaced my 23 inch ACD (good screen).
I'd say I was one Apple's dream customers (Mac Pro, Mac Book Pro, iPad Pro, iPhone XS, Mac Mini under my TV (not even counting my wife and daughters stuff) No Apple Watch, it's not Pro enough!(I have a Garmin Fenix). But quite simply I think that this misses the mark for a very big slice of the 'Pro' market, people who I think, still have proper money to drop on a 'Pro' set up, but simply can not justify these machines. These announcements add to my growing disenchantment with Apple.
I will probably end up buying an iMac Pro with a heavy heart, talk about First World problems, but there you go.
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You are clearly mixing pears with Apple(s)
AMD Ryzen vs Xeon - not same CPU and not same price range
they are offering 32 GB of ECC 2600 RAM - again not same RAM as your and not same price range
1 TB of SSD storage - are you talking about SSD or NVME.2?
GPU - let's say you are in similar range as 580X
Also, do you have 64 PCI-E lanes in your PC? do you have special HW GPU dedicated to work with 8K Pro Res RAW video? And I could go on and on.
Your computer is not pro workstation, it is for playing videogames.
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I tried similar config as base Mac Pro and price was 5899 USD... also that does not include Afterburner, T2 chip and other specific Mac Pro stuff.
