Ah
A pro gardeners tools could be $15K
A pro Carpenter could spend $20K
Not including their Trucks
A pro Spends what is needed as it’s tax deductible and is their means of earning money.
I do agree they could do with a Mid range box.
Next year?
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Roundup: First-Look Impressions of the New Mac Pro
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Ah
A pro gardeners tools could be $15K
A pro Carpenter could spend $20K
Not including their Trucks
A pro Spends what is needed as it’s tax deductible and is their means of earning money.
I do agree they could do with a Mid range box.
Next year?
have to agree, I don't like the design. It's fussy, overly complicated. I don't like the curves of the frame, the feet are ugly, and the handles are just, there.
The price of this Mac Pro is going to now skyrocket on EBAY considering the base price of this original Mac Pro, which can also even run the same graphics cards as the new one, but not with that much memory or speed, but so cheaply found on EBAY.
The sad part is that Apple will make sure that these capable machines will never have OS support to reach their full capability.
This reminds me of when I bought a PowerCenter Mac clone way back. It blew away a Mac at the same price.
It would be very easy to sell the new Mac Pro for $1000-$2000 less. Greedy bean counter Timmy.
The sad part is that Apple will make sure that these capable machines will never have OS support to reach their full capability.
This reminds me of when I bought a PowerCenter Mac clone way back. It blew away a Mac at the same price.
It would be very easy to sell the new Mac Pro for $1000-$2000 less. Greedy bean counter Timmy.
Was just about to say, it's all fair and well but no OS updates, outdated processor it'll struggle to keep up.
Unfortunately exactly what I expected. Base price 6k? Come on! Where is the modular mid-range model? I do music on my Mac but I couldn't care less about ECC memory or XEON CPUs. I want a true desktop with a capable i9 processor that is modular so that I can swap RAM, HD and expansion cards to my like. The Mac mini is a complete joke and way overpriced. And I don't want an All-In-One computer either. I want two big screens on my desk and the computer should reside wherever I want it beside or under the table. So the only option is an overdesigned Mac Pro now which would probably cost me around 15k in the configuration I want?
Just because I earn money with my computer doesn't mean, that I don't have to earn what I spent on equipment. Good for the few people who obviously are printing money in their basements, but just because I am a "pro" doesn't mean that money is an endless resource.
A Hackintosh never looked so tempting before. For 6k I can build myself a very decent water-cooled workstation with 128GB RAM, 4TB of fast HD space, a decent graphic card and an 18-core processor i9 that eats that new Mac Pro for breakfast.
P.S.: I don't know what they are smoking at Apple, but 1k for a Monitor stand? They completely lost their minds over there...
Just because I earn money with my computer doesn't mean, that I don't have to earn what I spent on equipment. Good for the few people who obviously are printing money in their basements, but just because I am a "pro" doesn't mean that money is an endless resource.
A Hackintosh never looked so tempting before. For 6k I can build myself a very decent water-cooled workstation with 128GB RAM, 4TB of fast HD space, a decent graphic card and an 18-core processor i9 that eats that new Mac Pro for breakfast.
P.S.: I don't know what they are smoking at Apple, but 1k for a Monitor stand? They completely lost their minds over there...
I think it’s great that they are finally responding to the criticism and delivering a machine capable of delivering the power needed for the high-end video/film market, instead of the form-over-function “trashcan” MP.
Sone various thoughts :
- the remarks on how it looks are completely silly. The new MP is very close in design to the previous towers they had for years, the cheesegrater look is there to allow for the cooling, and no one buys these things to look at them, they are almost always hidden under the desk. You buy these to do a job, not to awe at how it looks on the outside or to show it to your friends or to impress boys or girls.
- The prices are pretty much in tune to what similar PC workstations from brand names like Dell or Hp.
- I wonder if using NVidia cards is not possible at all or just not confirmed yet. Perhaps it will be possible in the near future. Otherwise they will be missing a great opportunity to bring back 3D pros who moved to PC because of the need to use CUDA enabled renderers.
- Another possible worry is support. At these prices , Dell and HP offer 7 days a week On-site support for their workstations, and will lend you a replacement machine if repair is going to take time. Will Apple offer similar support ?
- I still think there is a market for audio/video pros and semi-pros who still need lots of power but don’t need to go all the way to these expensive and expandable new MPs. The iMac is problematic for a lot of people because of its integrated format that will heat up and throttle under pressure. The screenless “trashcan” MP would actually be very popular for this segment if it was less expensive. Apple should really consider keep it in its catalog, lower its price and position it as the entry level Mac Pro.
Sone various thoughts :
- the remarks on how it looks are completely silly. The new MP is very close in design to the previous towers they had for years, the cheesegrater look is there to allow for the cooling, and no one buys these things to look at them, they are almost always hidden under the desk. You buy these to do a job, not to awe at how it looks on the outside or to show it to your friends or to impress boys or girls.
- The prices are pretty much in tune to what similar PC workstations from brand names like Dell or Hp.
- I wonder if using NVidia cards is not possible at all or just not confirmed yet. Perhaps it will be possible in the near future. Otherwise they will be missing a great opportunity to bring back 3D pros who moved to PC because of the need to use CUDA enabled renderers.
- Another possible worry is support. At these prices , Dell and HP offer 7 days a week On-site support for their workstations, and will lend you a replacement machine if repair is going to take time. Will Apple offer similar support ?
- I still think there is a market for audio/video pros and semi-pros who still need lots of power but don’t need to go all the way to these expensive and expandable new MPs. The iMac is problematic for a lot of people because of its integrated format that will heat up and throttle under pressure. The screenless “trashcan” MP would actually be very popular for this segment if it was less expensive. Apple should really consider keep it in its catalog, lower its price and position it as the entry level Mac Pro.
$13k is the revenue generated from a single video for some popular YouTubers.
As long as your work pays for your tools then it doesn't matter.
True that this is not mid range model but everyone on here and other forums was crying and moaning that Apple should bring real PRO WORKSTATION. And they did. And it is same price than comparable Windows workstations. And yet, still someone cries and moans.
I miss when Apple made pro expandable machines for the rest of us... $1599 starting price:
Are you implying people are recommending the mac pro line to their family?
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Still using a MacBook pro from 2010. Not sure where the planned obsolescence is coming from...
There's also alternative OS like windows/Linux is your want the latest
I'm guessing Apple only want to manufacture Macs at low levels these days and that's why this is designed for such an extreme high-end niche market. It's a shame because I'm sure lots of small design studios and even home users would prefer this kind of form factor over iMacs... just like the good old days.
Apple could completely dominate the PC market if they wanted to, but unfortunately there just isn't enough money in it for them.
Apple could completely dominate the PC market if they wanted to, but unfortunately there just isn't enough money in it for them.
Pretty sure that was in the keynote - 8-core 3.5GHz Xeon, 32GB RAM, 256GB SSD, Radeon Pro 580X - $6000
C.f. the iMac Pro - 8-core 3.2GHz Xeon, 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Vega 56 graphics (which looks better on paper than the 580X - not sure what the reality is) and a pretty decent 5k display the separate equivalent of which costs $1300.
So even against the iMac Pro (which isn't exactly under priced and will deservedly pick up a lot of clack if it doesn't get a spec update sometime in the next year) you're paying quite a lot for a slightly better CPU and the luxury of expandability.
...says someone who's clearly never had a requisition for a box of paperclips rejected by a bean-counter (that has literally happened to me, although, to be fair, they were luxury coloured plastic, dont-rip-the-papers-to-shreds paperclips but the job at hand needed papers to be colour-coded and not ripped...). Seriously - apart from a minority of very successful
So your definition of "pro" seems to be "Owner of small but exceedingly profitable company who has no cashflow worries."
But yeah, its tax-deductible which absolutely means the same as "free". Not.
Pity - otherwise, the new Mac Pro pretty much ticks all of the boxes that people were complaining about (even looks like there's internal SATA and space for a couple of spinners) and the combination of standard PCIe slots with proprietary expansion modules is quite neat - but, argh, the price.
But at the end of the day, its still just another Xeon PCIe tower for running (mostly) the same Pro software that runs under Windows and/or Linux. The 'afterburner' and fancy dual-GPU graphics module might be ahead of the game today, but will probably be outclassed within a few months - but the 'entry level' system sounds like a $4000 8-core Xeon PC tower for $6000. In a cool (but love-it-or-hate-it box).
C.f. the original 'entry level' Mac Pro in 2006 - $2500, would be $3200 in 2019 money - there's nothing comparable at that price point from Apple now.
Of course, it runs MacOS - so people locked in to Logic or FCPX aren't going to have much choice - but I don't see this tempting (back) people currently using Windows/Linux.
I have just watched the keynote video, and have changed my mind on this.
It is a pure beast of a machine and totally worth the money.
If my current business ideas start to develop further I will be in the market for one of these. The GPU set up is amazing and could change the way I work.
As others say, it is simply a tool to get work done, and make money. If the tool enables you to bill more / do it quicker, then the cost is easily justified.
No they ****ing didn't. They just exchanged one problem for another. Both problems are completely avoidable, simultaneously, and it's what we used to have.
It's all well and good with the expandability. They did that well this time.
But they also raised the price of the machine to $6000 for the base model.
The base model's performance and features do not even come close to justifying $6000. It just about justifies $3500, which is what I was expecting.
This is a computer that's slower than the iMac Pro for $1000 more, and there's no display, keyboard, mouse, etc. in the box. It's literally $2500 more than it should be. It's an absolutely abysmal deal, and everybody knows it.
If you expand it a lot, those $3000 start to fade away to a small percentage simply because the machine ends up costing half a million dollars or some BS like that, but that means they neglected the market that needs an expandable but not fully expanded mac, i.e. people who need one very fast GPU and things like that.
They missed the market of computer scientists and video game makers and many other fields like that _yet again_. Just make the 2012 version, for the love of ****...
this machine is ridiculous. why did it take apple 3 years to redesign and ship it? it's in no way new. even 6 years ago it wouldn't have been. we live in the post-pc era. nobody want's to have a big and heavy overpriced computer anymore. we have cloud computing for that. a mac pro used to target the pro market, meaning the 3-5% of us that wanted to spend between 4k and maybe 12k on a high end computer. now it targets the 0.1% of rich boys, (wanna be) youtube stars and film studio pros and have to spend 20k to even get started. just look at how ridiculous the entry graphics card is for a 6k starting price. the only reasonable thing here is to keep your pc or wait for a redesigned imac or imac pro that does not cheat you on performance because of thermal throttling. currently, the i9 imac is the computer to go in terms of price/performance. oh, and what about hackintoshs?
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the woman presenting the monitor was a crazy as the pricing. what pills do apple executives take? they live in a bubble. they are lucky steve invented the iphone or apple would be broke.
What a ridiculous price point.
A world full of graphic designers put Apple on the map - purchasing their kit.
They are then left with poor kit updates and promises of better equipment options that have taken years and years to turn around.
When the kit finally arrives the machine alone (without a screen) is so costly the vast majority of them won't even be able to buy the base model - let alone the package with the matching screen.
What is the matter with these people - they've dropped the affordable phone that established them as a phone supplier
They've now put what should be a tool for every designer/editor/modeller almost out of financial reach
Nice one Apple!
A world full of graphic designers put Apple on the map - purchasing their kit.
They are then left with poor kit updates and promises of better equipment options that have taken years and years to turn around.
When the kit finally arrives the machine alone (without a screen) is so costly the vast majority of them won't even be able to buy the base model - let alone the package with the matching screen.
What is the matter with these people - they've dropped the affordable phone that established them as a phone supplier
They've now put what should be a tool for every designer/editor/modeller almost out of financial reach
Nice one Apple!
So much anger, it’s expensive, it’s Apple.
And the Mac Pro does include a keyboard and mouse.