You want to talk sheer power? Regardless of price, you can get much more powerful workstations from Dell or HP, Apple only produced a case that looks better on one's desk.
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You want to talk sheer power? Regardless of price, you can get much more powerful workstations from Dell or HP, Apple only produced a case that looks better on one's desk.
When I was first a graphics professional working primarily in print design with a little merging web-based work, I bought the highest end Mac towers I could as not all new machines were especially fast.
I still do much the same work with more web, commerical photography and illustration and run my own online store as a sideline. My current main machine? A maxed-out 12" MacBook sometimes connected to a big Thunderbolt caddy. It's enough, and ridiculously portable so I can work in more interesting places sometimes.
So the Mac Pro really will be for people in 4k and beyond video, rendering, some very complex audio projects in specific commercial environments. Of course, some rich consumers will buy it too just for the heck of it. And that's fine.
You clearly haven’t seen the new AMD EPYC ROME chips with their 64c/128 that were displayed recently running rings around the Xeons, plus using half the power on their new 7nm build, and this is just the start! Intel is in serious trouble ..
Read some of the other posts.
Besides this new Mac Pro doesn’t address the average musician wanting an entry level upgrade to their ageing 1 core 12 Mac Pro 5.1. Which I would say is far more users than post production firms with deep pockets! Apple could have taken on the AMD Ryzens, half the costs & power draw, or they could have put in an i7, look at the many well built power house Hackintosh’s that are built with a super low budget. Apple could have made a proper scalable Mac Pro that started with a version for the student up to the hi end video user, but they won’t cos they wanna flog us dressed up iMacs & MAC Mini’s..Not what most people want for music making inc lots of storage.
It's not how much money it costs, it's how much money you can earn with it.
One of the upsides of having so much time pass since the last Pro...I've been setting aside money. I'm not sure which model I'll purchase, but based on experience it will not be the base model. I found a receipt from 2009 for 4GB 667MHZ FB-DIMM (2x2gGb). Total price $999.00.
Plenty uses vesa mount for multi monitor setup
[doublepost=1559637861][/doublepost]Reading the replies, you'd think other/cheaper monitors can't be used...
I don't see the trouble with the design - other than the very expensive monitor stand (and probably the wheels!).
I read on these forums how Apple don't do heat management well etc on their computers. If the new Mac Pro didn't have the cheese grater style, folk would moan that it didn't function properly or whatever because of heat, similar to the old trashcan version. It would be the same old, same old. From the presentation, I think Apple have got this one right and actually listened to those who need such a machine.
Folk might think the machine and the back of the monitor is ugly, but the people this has been designed for will not be spending time looking at the machine or looking at the back of the monitor. It will be a tool for them to get stuff done.
It is expensive yes, but it obviously aimed at industry professionals who need that sheer amount of power and hardware options.
I read on these forums how Apple don't do heat management well etc on their computers. If the new Mac Pro didn't have the cheese grater style, folk would moan that it didn't function properly or whatever because of heat, similar to the old trashcan version. It would be the same old, same old. From the presentation, I think Apple have got this one right and actually listened to those who need such a machine.
Folk might think the machine and the back of the monitor is ugly, but the people this has been designed for will not be spending time looking at the machine or looking at the back of the monitor. It will be a tool for them to get stuff done.
It is expensive yes, but it obviously aimed at industry professionals who need that sheer amount of power and hardware options.
At this level of pricing the Mac Pro should also have as mandatory:
- the ability for the handle to be hidden
- ball joints for all feet and one leg should be height adjustable for uneven surfaces
- user-washable air filters where all the air intakes are
Not really, i think most were hoping for something like the $1,799 (US) PowerMac G5. But it is clear apple doesn't want upgradable modular PCs in the hand of consumers, so they made it prohibitively expensive for everyone but a very selected few high end customers. Well played? Not really Pro/Prosumer market still has no option but AIOs or Notebooks with expiry date, no upgradeability and ridiculous price hikes for every little spec upgrade. You don't need ECC RAM and Xeon processors for Creative Suite or Logic its money thrown out the window.
In my opinion lots of pros / prosumer "influencers" who will not recommend/support macs for their family because they moved to much more affordable PCs, and so will their peers.
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exactly this. some will bite bullet, but most won't. they move to PCs, and over time their family will too.
My 2013 MP sits on my desk. And is full of dust. Nothing to do with overheating, more about actually keeping it clean!
No, you're wrong I don't "Need" CUDA but since most pro software works with CUDA cores, something not available on the AMD cards, it would help. Saying that they are all coming out saying they are going to change their architecture to APPLE so it may all change.
You're missing the point about CUDA, it's not about it being holder that Metal, it's about currently there is a massive lack of usage of Metal on Apple by Maxon software.
82Gb Quad link GPUs - 1 is 14Tflops (2080ti is 13). 4 would be 56Tflops with 128gb VRAM!!
1.5Tb RAM - 6 Channels
1.5 Kw PSU
8 PCIE slots
No PC remotely like it. You are wrong.
So True then, right? Because I was explicitly speaking about Dell and HP.
People in the Windows world don't compare prices of pro class WS with own made PCs. I guess some do, but don't know what they are talking about.
I did my own share of custom PC builds and I would never trust them a mission critical application on a deadline with tons of money at stake. But they are great value for less demanding applications, no doubt.
But less demanding applications simply isn't the market Apple was aiming for with this design.
So it is fair to complain to Apple that they haven't released a product for the segment your are in, but IMHO it doesn't make sense to compare the Mac Pro to something totally different.
Cheers,
Bernard
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Your mistake is to use Adobe products...C1 Pro makes a great use of the GPUs of the 2013 Pro and literally runs circles around Lightroom. So much faster it isn't even funny. And yes, I use both.
But yes... apologies... I have no idea whether you are into photography or something else. Sorry. It's always fun to poke some fun at Adobe.
Cheers,
Bernard
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Indeed!
cheers,
Bernard
Lightroom?! never mentioned Lightroom. Photoshop, illustrator, Indesign, After effects, Premier. Go figure. Resolve, Maya and C4D.
I'm not talking about ordering the parts and building my own system. Have you never heard about Puget systems in the US, custom built workstations. HIGH end. That's not a fanboy botching a system himself. That's a whole industry of professionals building systems.
You know that say more you about you. Dust is dead skin fo the most part and dirt particle brought in from outside. Maybe break out the Dyson now and again
I don’t have any dust in mine.
Maxon / C4D Have announce direct support for this and Metal 2
And Autodesk
And Adobe
And Otoy
Suits me that Cuda is no longer the ONLY kid on the block.
No, I have not heard of them being based in Tokyo.
Great if there are better options. I use both Windows at work and on Mac privately so I look at both sides of the story. I have been considering reluctantly to move to a Win10 high end PC, which is what I used to be using at home too in fact until about 10 years ago. This remains a possible option for me in fact.
Cheers,
Bernard
You know that say more you about you. Dust is dead skin fo the most part and dirt particle brought in from outside. Maybe break out the Dyson now and again
I don’t have any dust in mine.
Maxon / C4D Have announce direct support for this and Metal 2
And Autodesk
And Adobe
And Otoy
Suits me that Cuda is no longer the ONLY kid on the block.
No need to be an arse.
Ever been in central London. DUST everywhere.
I'd be interested to see real world benchmarks when they come out, comparing the NVIDIA cards to these.
So the base configuration is $2000 more than the previous one and you have to add memory and a graphics card?
I see nothing on Apple's website that even shows a basic configuration, so after all the pent up REAL PROS buy them, this will sink like a tank on an off shore reef. At least high end home users could afford a basic config cheese grater Mac Pro. Not this one. A non-expandable $3000 iMac is not my thing and never will be. The used Mac Pro market is going to skyrocket in sales at Apple's expense after this! I better start looking there now.
I see nothing on Apple's website that even shows a basic configuration, so after all the pent up REAL PROS buy them, this will sink like a tank on an off shore reef. At least high end home users could afford a basic config cheese grater Mac Pro. Not this one. A non-expandable $3000 iMac is not my thing and never will be. The used Mac Pro market is going to skyrocket in sales at Apple's expense after this! I better start looking there now.
As have I - looking at two places in London who make custom workstations. High end. Was waiting to see what Apple brough to the table. Forgive the relativeness spending £7k on a system which I've now had fully replaced 3 months in, and repaired countless times. Also have a flickering display since I got it. Which apple haven't been able to fix. Only recently they agreed to take it in and repair it. Makes me hesitant to give them more money.
This is absolutely wrong. ECC Ram end Xeon Processors are only required in very specific environments.
Majority of professionals who need "pro workstations" do not need it, it is a waste of money. Same with NVME.2. Apple is just pricing out everyone of their modular PC offering to make sure they never get in the hand of consumers. They want them to buy their AIOs and Notebooks with build in planned obsolescence.
Majority of professionals who need "pro workstations" do not need it, it is a waste of money. Same with NVME.2. Apple is just pricing out everyone of their modular PC offering to make sure they never get in the hand of consumers. They want them to buy their AIOs and Notebooks with build in planned obsolescence.
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