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Roundup of OS X Mountain Lion Reviews: 'Faster and Smoother', 'Incremental', 'Bargain at Twice the Price'

pmz said:
No interest in reading reviews from a bunch of know-it-all hacks that think Snow Leopard is the great thing since Atari and thought that Lion was, in a word, flawed.

I despise anyone who believes Lion is in anyway meaningful way, "flawed"

Lion is nearly OS perfection, and Mountain Lion is the sequel. It's not "incremental" in anyway, it nearly doubles the feature set of Lion while improving every addition that came with Lion.

Out of ideas? Get a life people.
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Lion was extremely flawed. Snow Leopard was Vista 1 and Lion was Vista 2. Mountain Lion is what it should have been in the first place.

As for Lion issues. One of the largest issues was Apple releasing an Operating System that had broken connectors (AD didn't work until 10.7.3 and SMB is frightfully slow.)
 
ristlin said:
Exactly, I mean WTF, does he think he can break the law just because he is a journalist? Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can buy stolen property, LOL.
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Seriously. Does he think Microsoft would have acted any differently had he bought a stolen version of the Surface in late May and started posting stories about it?

G51989 said:
Looks like an improvement over the lion trainwreck
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It's "Lion Fixed." It is to Lion what Windows 7 was to Vista.
 
ristlin said:
Until my computer can talk back to me like Tony Stark's computer, I rather not talk to it...
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Always reminded of this :)

scotty_hello_computer.jpg
 
FSMBP said:
The ironic thing is Gizmodo is spot on; for example, look at their criticism of fullscreen apps. I enjoy my Mac, but I feel that Apple doesn't 'wow' us anymore (but maybe my expectations are too high).

And John Gruber is very bias towards Apple. In his eyes, Apple can do no wrong (not literally, but you'll never see him call out Apple on anything that isn't a software bug).
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I think there's really not much you CAN do on the desktop. No, Windows 8, from what we've seen so far, isn't the thing that's the template for the future of the desktop. I mean, there's only so much you can do. I think the days of being "wowed" by groundbreaking things on the desktop are over...and we'll only see refinements and tweaks. But, I could be wrong.

And I agree with you about Gruber. Him and MG Siegler both are ones that seem to want to defend Apple to the death. I personally prefer John Siracusa. He's fair, praises when it's warranted, disses when it's warranted. He's detailed and thorough.
 
I disagree pretty strongly with the reviewer that suggest Apple isn't innovating on Mac OS (e.g., Heater and Jesus Diaz--though Diaz is a moron so there's no surprise in his case).

Some people think OS innovation == a fancy new skin.

But Apple is innovating at a deeper level:

They are squeezing out the need for the user to do app & document management. The OS is incrementally taking on the responsibility to do all of this automatically. Of course, it need to do it right, which is where Lion had some troubles. But it looks like ML has fixed a bunch of that. Look at the list of things OS X takes off your plate (it's totally fair to disagree with how it does so, so I'm just trying to point out the level of ambition in Lion and ML):
* App installation
* App updates
* Saving/Loading documents between sessions
* Keeping old versions of documents
* Sharing/moving documents between machines
Also -- and I'm not sure how far Apple has gotten down this road, but it is clearly coming -- OS X should be able to effectively manage available memory and other system resources consumed by applications by automatically suspending / quiting / restarting applications -- transparent to the user, as needed. (OS X already largely lets you forget about launching and quiting most kinds of apps -- my wife has been using OS X for years and does not know how to quit apps -- but it has a hole in that eventually all available memory is consumed).

Taken collectively, the ability to take over these mundane management & maintenance tasks is a huge step forward for a desktop OS. There's nothing else even close.
 
Compatible with Adobe CS4??

Anyone know if this will allow CS4 to run bug free. (I ran it fine on Lion without any bugs).

I have asked and asked Apple Store online chat and none of their staff now.
How stupid is that - they don't know what their own product is compatible with!!

They wanted me to ring AppleCare (who would charge me as my product is out of warranty) just to find out if it is compatible.

Loosing ALOT of faith in Apple these days.
 
Gizmodo still sounds upset since the iPhone affair, I'm agree with them about innovation but I think they talk from the guts and not from brain.
 
While it's nice to get OS improvement more often, this means just another yearly necessary upgrade from Apple. If you don't upgrade, they'll leave you behind with a non-functional ecosystem. Profit.
 
Marbles1 said:
Has anyone noticed that 'Lion' is now missing from their Purchases list in the Mac App Store? I can't opt to install it anymore from there.
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ristlin said:
Yeah, just noticed that. I think Apple is taking their "purge the old" a little too far. We bought it, we should be able to revert back to Lion if we want to.

However, I suspect its only a temporary thing to help deal with server load while people migrate to Mountain Lion.
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Actually, it's still there for me... But I haven't install ML yet... So chances are that once you've upgraded, you can't go back to an old system (like you could with a DVD media). When you think about it, it makes sense actually. I do agree that since you've bought it, you should be able to "keep a copy" on your MAS account but if anything happen to your computer, you'll be likely to re-install the newest OS (which technically - hopefully - should be more stable).

BTW, anyone knows how to make a back-up of the installer? Can we still use the Lion's trick?
 
ristlin said:
Dude I don't know about you but I am all over full-screen apps. Example:

I run two 'desktops' with EVE Online, one with my e-mail client, one with Writer, another with Safari, and another with calendar. With a flick of my finger I can switch between EVE clients or shoot out an e-mail. Very cool stuff. :cool:
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That wasn't the argument at all. Read Gizmodo's article then speak (ex. iMessage fullscreen).
 
Roaringapss

Check out this website:
http://roaringapps.com/apps:table

It will tell you (hopefully sooner rather than later) whether the different programmes are working fine under ML.


iconboyips said:
Anyone know if this will allow CS4 to run bug free. (I ran it fine on Lion without any bugs).

I have asked and asked Apple Store online chat and none of their staff now.
How stupid is that - they don't know what their own product is compatible with!!

They wanted me to ring AppleCare (who would charge me as my product is out of warranty) just to find out if it is compatible.

Loosing ALOT of faith in Apple these days.
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iconboyips said:
Anyone know if this will allow CS4 to run bug free. (I ran it fine on Lion without any bugs).

I have asked and asked Apple Store online chat and none of their staff now.
How stupid is that - they don't know what their own product is compatible with!!

They wanted me to ring AppleCare (who would charge me as my product is out of warranty) just to find out if it is compatible.

Loosing ALOT of faith in Apple these days.
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Umm, perhaps it is Adobe you should be contacting?... not Apple's responsibility to ensure every app ever developed works on a new OS.
 
Gizmodo who? I can't say I have read Gizmodo once in the past year, and neither do I have an urge to. Beyond that searches I have done for certain pieces of technology still hasn't yielded them in my results.

Looking forward to Mountain Lion, will try the USB method that worked on Lion to do the updates throughout the office.


moabal said:
The fact is it just seems there is a technological road block.
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It would be nice if the halfwits stopped quoting opinion as "fact." Fact is you have made an opinionative statement that is about as factual as Bill not having sexual relations with Monica.

My car 10 years ago had 4 wheels, my new car today also has 4 wheels. It's not a "technical roadblock" it's called technology maturing. Funny, you still use your keyboard to type your pointless posts, why aren't you typing with your thought control? I don't see you up in arms about this.

MacRumors.Com, where kids whom hate Apple come to hang out because their parents don't love them.
 
thefourthpope said:
I think the "bargain at twice the price" is where I'm at. I love Apple's price points for OS updates.
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Really good price at 19.99.

Skipped Lion altogether as all my stuff works just fine.

But, I am intrigued enough by ML to give it a try.

Only problem is that it will force many people to upgrade all the older apps.

So, 19.99 is really more like $ 500 plus.

MS Office 11, Quicken (lol), some Suites etc. etc.

But, since a new MBP is being bought soon, it's all good:)
 
Sorry, but am I the only one here seeing this as a software update you have to pay for? Fair enough, it's very "cheap" compared to previous OS releases, but it's still expensive compared to other pieces of software out there. Costs the same as Pages, and many people don't get Pages because they think it's not worth the price.

The best feature is probably airplay and powernap, but those only work with the most recent macs.

Finally, nobody is taking into account the time it'll take to upgrade and the loss of productivity during that time. Upgrading to Lion took me ages, needed spotlight to reindex, timemachine to do its stuff as well, but at least Lion was more of an upgrade since it changed the way you use a laptop completely with the full screen applications.
 
Messing with my Purchases in MAS

Marbles1 said:
Has anyone noticed that 'Lion' is now missing from their Purchases list in the Mac App Store? I can't opt to install it anymore from there.
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Yeah. Not cool at all. I can understand not making 10.7.x available to those who never purchased it prior to ML's release, but removing it from my Purchases list in the MAS...?

If this becomes the standard way of doing business with other purchased software from other companies, I'll just keep my cash.

Once I've paid for something on MAS, I expect it to be available, even if it's no longer being updated and supported. After all, having purchases available for download is supposed to be a feature of the MAS, so they can be installed (or reinstalled) on all Macs associated with a singular ID.

Rethink this move, Apple.
 
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