And when was the last time Microsoft Released a new version of Windows exactly ?
You might not get the latest OS, but I can guarantee you that Mojave and Catalina will be getting updates and patches for the next couple of years.
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Rumor Claims iOS 15 to Drop Support for iPhone 6s and Original iPhone SE
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You might not get the latest OS, but I can guarantee you that Mojave and Catalina will be getting updates and patches for the next couple of years.
People that think we should update our phones every 2 or 3 or 4 or be forced to every 5 years just don't care about the planet. There is no functional reason, today (not 5 or 10 years ago) that you need to update other than to line Apple's pockets, improve your own self image, and fill the landfills.
You said it : security. Not features.
It doesn't remove the fact that they still think about those users though.
I have an iPad running os9 and have a lot of old games that I can still play because of it. SuperMAMC, tiki towers, Flight Control, etc.
A10 was the first fusion chip and while it can’t utilize all cores simultaneously like A11, it still was a major improvement over the 6S with A9. Personally, I’m not surprised
My Quadra 650 is working fine. It is a couple of years newer and I did have to switch it over to Yellow Dog Linux. While my Dell 2950 G3 with 8 cores at 3.2 GHz still runs the a stable fully supported Centos 7. I believe the Dell was introduced about 2006, 14 years ago. Oh, by the way it also has dual redundant power supplies and ECC ram. I'd say Apple may be good on phones compared to Android, but as a general policy they are way behind everyone else.
You won’t be ok then, because the iPhone 13 mini won’t be anywhere near the size of an SE (2016).
But the 4.0” phones like the 5/5S/SE (2016) are huge... the iPhone 4/4s is the best form factor since it’s usable by most with one hand.
$2,000 per device for an SE (2020) that’s USD399? What country are you in and what’s the exchange rate?
Entirely fair argument and question
actually I think 6s uses even faster ram than Mini 4 despite same amount. It has identical spec ram to iPhone 7
I would guess, if this is true, to not be processor or power restrained but rather resource restrained. Optimizing iOS takes up finite resources. The counter argument here would be the number of 6s devices out there vs Mini 4 devices, so to that end, I would be stumped as there are far more 6s devices out there than mini 4.
I would agree completely that if the mini 4 can support it or A10 devices can support it, A9 devices should be perfectly capable as well. They really are very close in spec, with the 6s being even more powerful than the mini 4.
I was hoping Apple would support phones as long as possible spec wise, but this could entirely be a resource limiting reason (Especially given how many products iOS team would have to work on vs iPadOS), and then we would see iPadOS dropped from certain models.
Very interesting. I was hoping iOS 15 would reach the A9 iPhones as that would have been unprecedented and awesome From a support and market message.
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There is no PWM on SE. Even if there were, “a lot of people” isn’t the same as “almost no one”.
to clarify I meant 5 more years of support. I would expect a product to support it’s software the year it ships. So while yes it supported iOS 9, that should be a given. I also agree it could point to A10 being supported longer simply due to the 7th gen iPad just being discontinued early September of this year, but according to this list if the A8 Mini 4 would see iPad OS 15 yet the A9 6s/+/SE1 would all lose support of iOS 15 would be interesting. I would expect A8 iPads to lose support
I dont disagree, and I just think this speaks more to resource management than performance ability.
A9 and A10 are mostly identical chips, higher frequency of the Hurricane cores aside. 6s/6s+/7 had the same LPDDR4 ram, at same frequency too.
Apple’s not making any more iPhones the size of the old 5/5s/SE. Time to accept reality and move on.
Actually the 6s runs very good on iOS 14. I think some videos showed it ran even better than iOS 13. I used a 6s on both iOS 13 and iOS 14 beta (not final) and I can say the performance was fantastic on both. Stock apps loading and UX fluidity was barely any different from my 11 Pro at the time
I had a very different experience with the 6s (non plus) I had and used intermittently until this past summer, it worked great aside from battery. I have noticed elder/less tech people tend to have problems with their phones sometimes because they just dont take care of it the same way More tech centric people do. Not a knock against, its just they dont understand how things like debris can collect or maybe they didnt update their battery or their phone never worked correctly to begin with And just never realized in the first place. Just like how some people can take care of a car and it will work flawlessly 10 years later, whereas someone else may have a newer car that Just falls apart for whatever reason
I think it is still a fantastic phone. The A9 in it actually still out performs pretty much every budget android device that is still being released on the market today lol
It is entirely And completly useable on iOS 14. Actually, its remarkable to put it next to an SE 2020 and see how similar they are 90% of the time On iOS 14.
It is nothing like the 4 on iOS 7 or the 4S on iOS 9. Those days are gone, in part because of the massive CPU gains made by Apple during the A5 to A9 years
The last massive performance leap year to year we had with CPU was the A11 and that was only because Apple allowed all cores to run tasks simultaneously and also creating a 6 core design that is still the foundation of every Bionic chip since
We will see a significant annual upgrade again when we increase the core count, if so. Apple has a very specific design they use for efficiency.
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How so? Please tell.
It didnt really do anything other than increase the frequency. Hurricane and Twister are otherwise identical, nips and tucks aside
A10 was also the only “fusion” chip. The entire reason they named it so was due to the heterogenous big.LITTLE design, switching back and forth seamlessly
Yeah It was either this site ( or a French Apple site forgot which one) which claimed Apple will drop SE for iOS 13 because of its 4 inch screen😂😂
Yes but they are small security updates though for iOS 12 though
This just isnt possible anymore due to the physics of thermal envelope in smaller designs
The fact the 12 mini is the size it is, is incredibly impressive. If you have held one, it is remarkable how they managed to do it; I dont think it would have been possible without a 5nm SOC
13 mini or 12s mini or whatever will be the same as the current one. It is part of Apple’s business model to invest a certain amount into product design and recoup costs over time by using the same General design again
Number of iOS versions supported:
6 - iPhone 7, iPhone SE, iPhone 6s, iPhone 5s
5 - iPhone 6, iPhone 5, iPhone 4s
4 - iPhone 5c, iPhone 4, iPhone 3GS
3 - iPhone 3G, iPhone 1
ETA: iPhone 7 will support not 5 but 6 iOS versions
6 - iPhone 7, iPhone SE, iPhone 6s, iPhone 5s
5 - iPhone 6, iPhone 5, iPhone 4s
4 - iPhone 5c, iPhone 4, iPhone 3GS
3 - iPhone 3G, iPhone 1
ETA: iPhone 7 will support not 5 but 6 iOS versions
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I understand the sentiment
But a few things specific to the iOS arugment here
1) No other phone from 2015 still gets (OS) support other than the iPhones
2) Shareholders now benefit more from apple services as people are holding on to their phones longer. Apple makes a lot of gross profit from iPhones but they are making more and more net profit from services. It would be in shareholders best interest to support as many devices as long as possible
I would wager this is a resource issue. Even Google, an absolutely massive company, only supports their Pixels for 3 years because they explicitly stated they do not have the resources otherwise, and those phones sells significantly less than any iPhone.
Otherwise, there should be no reason not to support those devices
Regarding the iMac argument, I cannot say. It might be a feature issue? My 2013 Macbook supports Big Sur, but I did notice the prior years lost support for it.
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says it all really.
Oh please you had zero idea what your on about
how can you just say that this is planned obsolescence and for people to stop defending Apple when Android devices get 2 maybe 3 years of major updates
and for a team just to support the 6S. Lmfao you have absolutely zero idea on how iOS/iPadOS updates and compatibility works. And even more proof that you haven’t focused is the fact that since iOS 12 devices haven’t gotten iOS 13 and beyond still get small updates here and there in the name of security and even a couple of days ago there is 12.4.9, 2 years
it is focusing on iOS not iPadOS though Mini 4 is likely to be dropped kff
oh but I do see Touch 7th gen dropped off before the other A10 devices because of its processor speed (1.64 GHz) verses the others (2.34Ghz). Add the battery of the device itself as well compared to its other A10 cousins too
PWM is not on Apple’s LCD displays
Cannot be helped with OLED for now, but I do not think anyone has reported PWM on their LCD displays
Small percent of people who have these issues. Not “a lot”
Some of us like having the latest and greatest tech. Doesn’t mean we don’t care about the planet. I for one don’t throw out my old tech (gently used), I usually sell it, hopefully to someone who enjoys it for a few more years. Reusing is better than recycling after all.
All correct except the iPhone 7... if it is getting only 5 versions of iOS that means iOS 14 will be its last, and that seems pretty unlikely.
i love my 1st gen. iPad Pro 12.9", it works perfectly and very helpful to my daily work. i really hope the iOS 15, or maybe even iOS 16, can continue to support this device...
iOS 13 dropped support for all A7 devices and some A8 devices (any with 1 GB of ram). I could easily see Apple dropping remaining A8 devices and all A9 devices this time.