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If it were so bad for consumers, they'd not keep buying Apple products. Consumers are all different and have choices. You've made the choice to keep your 4770k machine around, good for you. Hard to compare when it comes to gaming anyway since Macs aren't meant for that at all.

Also, comparing to phones doesn't make sense since nobody is upgrading phone hardware. Apple supports their phones longer than almost anyone else too.
Apple supports iPhones far more than any company in fact,

This might be a silly question but does this mean the xr will be supported for another 5 years from now since it keeps staying in their lineup ? Instead of being supported until 2023 since i think it was released in 2018.

obviously yes... and don’t forget 8th gen iPad was released last month with same A12 and 3GB RAM too which helps any A12 device get years of support
 
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Though support and upgrades may be stopped the mobile will continue to work for few more years. Users need not worry about software upgrades, in Android most of the average users use their mobiles for years without worrying about software upgrades. Most of the great features in the new versions are most likely linked to the new hardware except on few occasions. For example, iPhone 7 users or 8 users cannot use Phase ID and stage lighting camera mode. New iPhones do not have Force Touch....like this there are hardware linked differences may not make the upgrades meaningful...
 
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its ok not to offer upgrades, I think its insane to include more capable features in a 5 year old hardware but I wish if they would keep updating the security.
 
Remember the times when your father bought a film SLR camera, used it for 10 years, then passed it down to you, and you used it for another 10 years, and then you sold it for quite an ok price at an used items market?

These times are long gone, and so will be humans in the next 50-100 years.
 
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I think iOS 15 will be the last upgrade A9 devices will get. iOS 14 runs fine on A9 for every day tasks.

I think A10 and newer devices will get seven years of iOS updates.
 
This might be a silly question but does this mean the xr will be supported for another 5 years from now since it keeps staying in their lineup ? Instead of being supported until 2023 since i think it was released in 2018.
No, it’s typically 5-6 years from release date. I’d imagine most iPhones will get around 6 years going forward so probably 2024 for the XR.
 
All these people defending apple - windows 10 runs on 2005 hardware before iPhone even came out.

Stop defending what should and start defending yourselves.

We expect Microsoft products to work in 15 year old hardware yet a mobile operating system ceases to work on 6 year old hardware.
 
I'm assuming they'll drop support for the iPad mini 4, iPad Air 2, iPad (5th generation), and probably not the iPad Pro 12.9" (1st generation) nor the iPad Pro 9.7", since they did give the A8/A8X iPads one more year of support versus the iPhone 6.
My 9.7” iPP was nowhere showing any signs of age on iPadOS 13. But then again, it met an unfortunate end before I could Update it to iPadOS 14.

I think the 1st Gen Pros will drop support on iPadOS 16 at the latest.
 
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All these people defending apple - windows 10 runs on 2005 hardware before iPhone even came out.

Stop defending what should and start defending yourselves.

We expect Microsoft products to work in 15 year old hardware yet a mobile operating system ceases to work on 6 year old hardware.
Well yeah, PCs and their use cases have hardly changed since 2005, just gotten faster. Microsoft couldn't make a winning mobile OS, and I'm glad I never have to use Windows again cause it's awful, but legacy support is important in many enterprises. The iPhone has competition, which controls 90% of the market and considers even 3 years of support generous.
 
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You One can’t buy what’s not for sale, no matter how much you one might wish for a thing.

You good now? Any actual response or you just wanted the throw out a smart-ass comment 🤣
Who says I'm buying anything?
People, please calm down. This conversation is hotter than the thermals on Intel MacBooks. Calm. Down.
 
You One can’t buy what’s not for sale, no matter how much you one might wish for a thing.

You good now? Got a response with actual content or you just wanted the throw out a smart-ass comment 🤣
I wasn't being fresh, just was only speaking for myself. If this is about other people, they have that option too, not buy a new iPhone.
 
I wasn't being fresh, just was only speaking for myself. If this is about other people, they have that option too, not buy a new iPhone.
It’s only an option until the apps you want to run won’t run on a version of iOS that’s too old.

It sounded to me like you wanted the SE (2020), which was suggested in the thread because of its LCD design, to be smaller and also to have a headphone jack.

That’s what’s not for sale, and hence can’t be bought.

Sorry I misunderstood your post and jumped down your throat!
 
I owned both the iPhone 6s an SE, outstanding phones. It’s hard to believe it’s been almost 5 years since the iPhone 6s launched and even though it will be discontinued, it doesn’t mean it won’t be a strong performer regardless. A true testament to Apples support both with hardware and software.
 
All these people defending apple - windows 10 runs on 2005 hardware before iPhone even came out.

Stop defending what should and start defending yourselves.

We expect Microsoft products to work in 15 year old hardware yet a mobile operating system ceases to work on 6 year old hardware.
It is indeed amazing what Microsoft does and their OEMs extend support for many many years without impacting performance...You can replace battery (my MSI gaming has plug and play battery....
 
I guess people gotta find something to complain about.

In what world does anyone find a 7-year old smartphone still receiving OS support? Outside of iOS, that world is nonexistent. Introduced in 2013, the iPhone 5s received 6 years of feature updates, and just received its most recent security update (iOS 12.4.9) just two weeks ago.

By this time next year, the iPhone 6s will be at the same mark as the iPhone 5s when Apple introduced iOS 13 without support for the 5s. But, Apple has issued 6 security updates to iOS 12 for the iPhone 5s and 6 ever since iOS 13 and 14 came out.

As others have pointed out, cutting off feature updates for certain iPhone models does not render them obsolete. Arguably, the most important updates are the security patches, and Apple has continued to keep that part of the ecosystem current even for devices over 7 years old.

But, a phone won't become obsolete until the apps that YOU use are no longer supported, or the developer decides to no longer make compatible app versions available for devices running older versions of iOS. And that's not something happens overnight. Most developers will typically support an iOS version at least one or two generations past. There might be some functionality missing, but the apps are still available and functional.

Even on our iPad 3, which is stuck on iOS 9.3.6, can still run YouTube and many of the installed apps are still supported even if most of them are no longer updated for iOS 9. But, the web browser does become less functional over time, and several other apps also lost their functionality as the developers moved onto newer versions and cut off support for the older versions. But, again that process wasn't noticeable until about 2 years after iOS 10 came out.

When the iOS 12.4.9 update came out for the iPhone 5s, I pulled my old phone out of mothballs (I bought an iPhone SE 2020 back in May) to install it. About 80 app update notifications also popped up when I fired up the phone for the first time since July (when I installed the iOS 12.4.8 update). For a 7 year old phone, it's obviously still well supported. It's not getting any new iOS features, but the apps still work and receive updates.

I would expect at least the same longevity for the iPhone 6s and any of the newer models after that. The iPhone 6 and 6s were the two best selling iPhone models by volume (with the iPhone 5s not far behind), so I wouldn't expect Apple to jettison that large a user base when a significant part of Apple's business model has shifted towards services.

Remember the times when your father bought a DSLR camera, used it for 10 years, then passed it down to you, and you used it for another 10 years, and then you sold it for quite an ok price at an used items market?

These times are long gone, and so will be humans in the next 50-100 years.
Not that those times ever existed to begin with considering that modern DSLRs only came onto the market just over 20 years ago, and those early generation models are only worth a fraction of what they originally cost. Equivalent film SLRs from that era are currently worth more.
 
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