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never mind macs or pads, june launch the new iPhone so people can use it for summer.
Quit launching other things on or near when new iPhones should be launched, screwing up new iPhone release time.
 
never mind macs or pads, june launch the new iPhone so people can use it for summer.
Quit launching other things on or near when new iPhones should be launched, screwing up new iPhone release time.


Nah man, forget iOS. iOS products are always in the news and taking up the time mac hardware should come out. Now intel also screwed up AGAIN with delays, but with the iPad out, its time for Mac products. You got your little 4S, to hold over. Besides an iPad is an oversized iPod touch
 
I'd rather have the nice style of the iMac. If i needed an upgradable Mac, i'd buy a Mac Pro.

Um...why can you have both? You've obviously seen the inside design of a MacPro right and how nice it looks right? Apple can do the same with the iMac and make it easily upgradable.

Are you telling me you wouldn't take the current looking iMac design and if Apple added a way to 'open' it up so you could swap out the HD/SDD and Graphics card, you wouldn't be for that?

Why can't Apple make the iMac upgradable while keeping the same design outside? If they are getting rid of the optical drive they certainly are freeing up enough space for an upgradable graphics card.

If i could use a car analogy, HP computers to me are like Caterham cars, whereas the iMac is like an Aston Martin. They're both really fast and really good cars, but the Aston Martin was designed to be amazingly designed, fast but never be touched under the hood by anyone other than the manufacturer, whereas the Caterham is really fast but designed to be tinkered around with or even rebuilt from scratch by the customer if they want. Now there is market for both cars, but would you buy a Caterham that tried to be an Aston Martin? Would you also expect Aston Martin to ever make a kit car?

Well the problem with that analogy is that the AM has a lot of components that no one should ever touch other then a certified AM technician. We're not talking about building rigs here, we're talking about having the ability to have 3 components swappable..1 which is already done...which is the RAM. The other 2 main components are the HD/SDD and graphics card. These aren't ridiculous requests...especially from mid-level users to high end users.

We're talking about swapping out a HD and Graphics card...which 99.9% of the computer users can do..especially capable with Apple's superior interior design as seen in the Mac Pro. No cables, no installation issues...just swap, plug and play.
 
No it's not true. Earnings announcements and HW releases are not statistically (meaningfully) correlated.

cheers to us all
JohnG



there is not a statistical always or majority of time this is what happens for sure, but sometimes products have came out right after a financial call. All i'm saying is that I agree with the other respondent who said don't expect something until after the 24th, but that opens up the 25th, or week or two after. With all of apple mac hardware pretty much able to be or should be updated, I do not see them waiting until June WWDC to roll out many products of the same kind, i.e. all macs and no iPhone or ios. I think mac updates will come in waves anytime from april 25th to that time in June.

Also, no one knows exactly when Mountain Lion is coming out, we should know at WWDC. Speaking of that time frame and WWDC, invites for WWDC have came out in late march to late april over the years, so any week now we should see a media banner; thus CLUES into what to expect. So that being said, when that happens we can either

A) compare those media clues or leaks to what macs have been just updated already in order to prop up the chances for whats to come,

B) no products yet, media invite comes first, so try to guess and follow news for what is coming when

WHATEVER WAY THIS HAPPENS- the next 90 days will likely answer all of our questions.

* please make iMac GPU bad A#$
 
It's part of owning a mac. If you buy a mac, you are buying OSX. They are one and the same. IMO, hardware incompatibilities with the OS are a valid reason to state upgrades are limited. If I wanted to build my own PC, I could just do that, OSX be damned.

As for it being discontinued, I stated it was a rumor. Do I think it will happen? I don't know. Maybe. Maybe not.

True, but I don't want to have to buy a Mac Pro because I want more than 2 internal HDD/SSD's. The bays don't need to be hot plug, but I don't expect to have to strip the machine down to add another disk.

I don't think they will discontinue the Pro as some people have workloads that require lots of CPU threads that benefit from dual Xeon CPU's, other's have a need for multiple monitors and actually need reasonable graphics cards.

Personally i7 is enough for me, and I don't need high-end graphics, I just need plenty of memory and lots of disk. I'm sure a lot of others have similar needs to me and would buy a mid-range desktop that wasn't an iMac.
 
Apple can definitely design a door to the rear housing of the iMac, or maybe some fancy magnetic latch release or something. I would for sure buy that, upgradeable iMac Bam






Um...why can you have both? You've obviously seen the inside design of a MacPro right and how nice it looks right? Apple can do the same with the iMac and make it easily upgradable.

Are you telling me you wouldn't take the current looking iMac design and if Apple added a way to 'open' it up so you could swap out the HD/SDD and Graphics card, you wouldn't be for that?

Why can't Apple make the iMac upgradable while keeping the same design outside? If they are getting rid of the optical drive they certainly are freeing up enough space for an upgradable graphics card.



Well the problem with that analogy is that the AM has a lot of components that no one should ever touch other then a certified AM technician. We're not talking about building rigs here, we're talking about having the ability to have 3 components swappable..1 which is already done...which is the RAM. The other 2 main components are the HD/SDD and graphics card. These aren't ridiculous requests...especially from mid-level users to high end users.

We're talking about swapping out a HD and Graphics card...which 99.9% of the computer users can do..especially capable with Apple's superior interior design as seen in the Mac Pro. No cables, no installation issues...just swap, plug and play.
 
No, iMac is supposedly a desktop by Apple standards and should be treated as such. If anything it needs MORE ports, it and the Mini should at least have gotten Expresscard slots years ago.

A few more ports on the back of an iMac would not be a bad move. It has more than it used to. Though, I think Apple is more in the mindset that you should have a wireless keyboard/mouse and not need to hog two USB ports. Which most people aren't plugging in tons of things: a printer, an external hard drive... and that's about it for MOST people. A slot for a thumb drive is still open. And even if you don't go wireless, the keyboard gives you two USB slots for quick access.

Apple might treat the iMac like a desktop class machine, but by technical specifications it's really a laptop on the inside that gets a bit of a bonus with ventilation and cooling. Though, I don't think Apple is neglecting the desktop market without reason... people aren't buy those systems much anymore.

Just get the Apple external superdrive and you'll be good to go.

Problem. Solved. :)

And an external drive is around $100 these days. If they drop the price of machines a $100, it's a moot point about the OD anyway. IF they drop the price.

Everybody is neglecting the workstation market. Go over to Dell.com or HP.com and you will see what I mean. But you should remember that there is nothing to update right now. Apple is not going to update the Mac Pro without new CPUs, which have not yet become available. Again, same thing with HP and Dell workstations.

It is still very much limited. You are stuck with that monitor, stuck with whatever GPU you get (since they are mobility versions), and expansion slots are extremely limiting. All you really need to consider is size. Mid towers and full towers just offer more flexibility than trying to cram everyone into a smaller space. And I am confident that I could show you multiple examples of what I am talking about instead of just 1.

Even the workstation market is nearly dead. They're obsolete in many environments. At my last job, we had 30 terminals in the store. They were basically just monitors hooked up to a small box that connected to our server. No work station required. And it's a heck of a lot cheaper.

The reason you see less towers and desk-top class systems is because people don't buy them anymore. It's become a mobile world. This leaves certain businesses markets where people still need these things, but that's getting smaller and smaller.

The average person doesn't care about being able to expand their computer or replace parts. In 3-4 years, they want a new machine anyway. Our whole society has turned disposable for things. This isn't the late 1980s to mid 1990s. We had a period where things were slow to change, and then technology was drastically different all the time. You either didn't need to update so fast, or had a more pressing argument for wanting to upgrade processors and things. Now, we see mostly incremental speed bumps to things. Tech is tapped out. Intel uses all sorts of nice specs when they put out new silicon, but it's never really much faster that anyone would notice. So in that 3-4 year window, whats coming out on the market will just finally be different enough/better than what you have around the time most people have grown bored. Sure, there are people who hawk a machine every year... but that's not normal. Generally, people don't notice performance hits in their machines until software evolves (new OS, advanced architecture in their aps, new under the hood technologies that don't work on old systems), and that usually comes in at the 4 year mark. Especially for Macs, that hold their own much longer than PCs. Power PC machines seemed to hold even truer to that.

Not saying there isn't some market for towers and work stations, but it's gone from being 75% of the market to around 25% of the market in the past decade. That's a huge shift in where people spend their money, and that's why companies aren't investing R&D in that 25%.
 
Apple can definitely design a door to the rear housing of the iMac, or maybe some fancy magnetic latch release or something. I would for sure buy that, upgradeable iMac Bam

Agreed.

Not saying there isn't some market for towers and work stations, but it's gone from being 75% of the market to around 25% of the market in the past decade. That's a huge shift in where people spend their money, and that's why companies aren't investing R&D in that 25%.

Well the majority of businesses never realized how much they were over-paying for rigs they didn't need. I'd say that 75% never needed what they bought in the first place...they just really had no choice.

The majority of business out there can get by with a Mac Mini and if they need a tad more power, then an iMac.

Same goes with home users...the majority are realizing they didn't need a desktop or laptop...they needed just an iPad.
The average person doesn't care about being able to expand their computer or replace parts. In 3-4 years, they want a new machine anyway. Our whole society has turned disposable for things.

And in the long term that is going to cost us dearly as the materials needed to make these disposable items become harder to find/mine and cost more like oil is. We better do a better job of recycling tech parts.
 
A lot have been clamoring for a mid-tower system, perhaps with iMac guts but upgradable for businesses and professionals (and even power consumers) that cannot afford $2499+ for a base Mac Pro.
I have never seen a business upgrading parts of a computer they own. I am sure such businesses exist, but I doubt there is a large demand. By the time a company needs a bigger hard drive in that computer, it is usually time for a more powerful CPU, more RAM and some different connectivity options. Very few companies would deal with such an upgrade, it is easier to just buy a new one. It is a shame to have to throw away the good screen on an iMac, but an iMac can probably be sold for more than a 3 to 5 year old LCD screen would fetch, so overall it may not be such a bad investment.

Most employees use laptops nowadays anyhow.
 
I have never seen a business upgrading parts of a computer they own. I am sure such businesses exist, but I doubt there is a large demand. By the time a company needs a bigger hard drive in that computer, it is usually time for a more powerful CPU, more RAM and some different connectivity options. Very few companies would deal with such an upgrade, it is easier to just buy a new one. It is a shame to have to throw away the good screen on an iMac, but an iMac can probably be sold for more than a 3 to 5 year old LCD screen would fetch, so overall it may not be such a bad investment.

Graphics/Video/Audio houses all have the need of an upgradable mid range mac tower. We upgrade audio cards, graphic cards, RAM, etc all the time while keeping the same monitors.

There is a market for it. They'd also snag a ton of gamers with a mid range tower.
 
I agree that businesses need to be able to upgrade hard drives and ram but not for long. Every large business I have worked for is switching to virtual servers which means all you need is a thin client. For Mac environments I would guess that means mac minis.

Anyway an iMac with an antireflective screen makes sense for me for a living room computer. The only gripe I have is that I have to replace my internal Asus Xonar Essense soundcard with an external version since I doubt the sound solution in an iMac will be better. At the moment I use a Dell 22" IPS matte panel which is great, would hate to go to a reflective screen. It's pretty much the only reason I don't use an iMac at home.
 
Was hoping for April

I hope this rumor is wrong, I'm up in the air over the iMac or MBP. So hopefully they go with the AR glass and maybe it's a nice update with other goodies. I would kinda like to see a 24 inch version the 27 is just a little to big for my needs, but I really need thunderbolt, so either way I'm getting a new mac and will wait.
 
No, iMac is supposedly a desktop by Apple standards and should be treated as such. If anything it needs MORE ports, it and the Mini should at least have gotten Expresscard slots years ago.

Not that I don't like your idea, but how would you go about fitting a PCIe card in a mini without changing that form factor? Thing already has high temps.

Apple just seems to not be a fan of letting people put third party hardware in any of their products. (mac pro and the likes excluded)
 
They do, It's called a Mac Mini.
I'm a little surprised you haven't heard of it.

Theres no need for you to live up to the stereotype of mac users being condescending.

Secondly, Mac Minis suck. I thought it would have been obvious why people would want a headless iMac; to be able to upgrade any and/or all parts at will and have a computer that DOESNT perform like a Mac Mini.
 
Though, I don't think Apple is neglecting the desktop market without reason... people aren't buy those systems much anymore.

Is that partly because the options for a desktop are more restricted now?

Mac Rumors have had many threads over the years about MBP / iMac decisions where they require some mobility, but not most of the time. An iMac / iPad combination is a good route for many of them now (and is what I use). Desktop screen and power combined with mobility for many tasks. Perhaps this option will lead to more desktop sales?
 
never mind macs or pads, june launch the new iPhone so people can use it for summer.
Quit launching other things on or near when new iPhones should be launched, screwing up new iPhone release time.

Um, the market, macrumors and other sites, media, store shelves, etc are overwhelmed with everything related to iOS and iPhone.

You must be a recent Apple fanboy if you think iOS needs more attention. Anyone whos used a Mac before the iPod got big will tell you that Apple's basically ignored their computer division since they became famous with the iPod and iPhone.
 
Cant believe the amount of people blaming intel for late release. Blame AMD for lack of competition, if there was ANY competition whatsoever these chips would have been out last year. Simple fact is Intel is just getting rid of the old stock first.
On a seperate note Apple seems intent on bombing off the Pro end, the new chips are already available for the mac pro line, and still no announcement from Apple, go figure
 
Cant believe the amount of people blaming intel for late release. Blame AMD for lack of competition, if there was ANY competition whatsoever these chips would have been out last year. Simple fact is Intel is just getting rid of the old stock first.
On a seperate note Apple seems intent on bombing off the Pro end, the new chips are already available for the mac pro line, and still no announcement from Apple, go figure

LoLwut?

AMD doesn't want to compete w/ Intel. They've stated that clearly:
http://www.techpowerup.com/155920/AMD-To-Give-Up-Competing-With-Intel-On-x86-CPU-Prices-Already-Shooting-Up.html
 
Thats exactly what i mean NO competition, hence Intel can please themselves when they release new products.
BTW it should be AMD CANT/NOT CAPABLE to compete with Intel, NOT dont want to.
 
The day apple let you freely upgrade their hardware will be the day hell freezes over. Not gonna happen. If you like upgrading bits on your computer easily and cheaply, get a pc not an apple.
 
When they do finally announce the 2012 iMac how long afterwards will it be available in the UK shops based on previous releases. All this waiting is killing me. I need this machine NOW!
 
I'm sorry but this mentality is the problem. It's a good thing to want to improve, if not it will get left behind everyone else. It was the desire to want to improve that got this company where it's at, not the "we rule" "you suck" mentality. Windows has a lot of problems, but it would be nice if apple could focus on their hardware for the imac, mac pro, and macbook pro as well as the ios. I just hope they can do both at the same time.
I have only one world for you:

"WINDOWS" that says it all.

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Because he does not really use Apple products or he would have know what and for whom iMacs are for. :apple:rules
 
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