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Re: Re: Tabbing into drop downs works great - try before posting

Originally posted by ScotRobson
I tried this and it didnt work for me. I placed my cursor (using the mouse) in the google search bar in safari then pressed tab when I was on the amazone homepage and my curser went straight to the box underneath the drop down menu.

Scot

Doesn't work for me either. I can't tab to interface elements aside from actual textboxes, anywhere, regardless of whether my settings are option-tab or just plain tab.

I also don't see what this thing is about the window staying the same size when tabs are closed... it behaves the same way as it did in 1.11... the window lengthens and shortens and I hate it. Can someone tell me what it's supposed to be doing? When you create a new tab, isn't the window (now) supposed to stay the same size?

I love Saf 1.2's speed, but the new features don't seem to be working for me. Anyone care to help me out?
 
Doesn't work for saving images that are not links. The Option-Click only works for direct links.

Originally posted by bryanzak
Hold down the option key and it'll save directly to your desktop

Bryan
 
I guess someone already mentioned it, but I just want to emphasis that I find it quite annoying that thís update is for Panther only. Apple should make this update available for everyone with OS X !

😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡
 
Well, I still can't get yahoo chat to run correctly.

Just doesn't want to play nice with my Mac. I've tried Safari, Safari with DeBug, IE, and now 1.2. Just isn't meant to be.
 
Originally posted by TMA
Could anyone that managed to acquire this build before it's official release confirm weather it works with OS X 10.2 or not? I know Apples download page says it requires Panther but I have my doubts about that.

If you have your doubts then download it from here and see if it will work.

Later, Frank
 
Originally posted by BevvyB
Since I installed 10.3 not one version of Safari has workd - I always get 'Safari unexpectedly quit'

Even with this new version

I've trashed fonts, run the deepest cache clean, restored permissions, trashed and re-trashed all Safari files, you name it. I've tried installing on new users, old users, new admins, moved files around...

Does anyone have any ideas? I'm all out. And I hate using Explorer.

Have you tried reinstalling 10.3?
 
Originally posted by pgwalsh
How old is windows 98 and ME compared to Jaguar? c'mon...

So, because Apple adds great new features to their OS more often than Microsoft does we should be mad???

The added features in Jaguar and now Panther far outweigh any new features we saw in ME and now XP. So, because Apple added more features in two years than Microsoft has in six years we should be mad at Apple??????

I know I'm not. This is one of the reasons that I will continue to choose a Mac over a Windows machine every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Later, Frank
 
Originally posted by TMA
I think he might have meant so that you can use Tab in it's normal way. i.e to intent text. That's what i'd like to be able to do anyway. Perhaps have a different key to move between input boxes/links.

I don't think that is what he was talking about because Tab has never worked that way in any browser I have ever seen. It would be silly to have Tab work that way. Even if you did Tab forward in a text box most parsers wouldn't recognize the Tab and it would be stripped out anyway so after taking your time to format your text (as if you were in a word processor) it would end up looking worse than you could have imagined.

Besides, since we are talking about new features it seems obvious that he was saying he would prefer if it worked the old way it worked before the update which it can if you change the prefs.

Later, Frank
 
Originally posted by geerlingguy
Not to dis Safari or anything, but... Explorer has done this since 5.0.

Anyway, Safari is MUCH faster on more complex pages, Java is MUCH better (example: try this page before and after installing). Java is best update for me... My phys teacher uses applets all the time, and, IF they loaded in Safari 1.1/Java 1.4.1, they took FOREVER to load... now, a few seconds and VOILA! there it is, all working fine! Yipee!

Score for Apple!🙂

I wish I knew what the problem was with my system. I have been unable to get ANY applets to work since the update.

🙁

Later, Frank
 
Originally posted by pgwalsh
I'm not and wont.. I'd like Apple to either implement a yearly fee for upgrades that's is reasonable or support older OS's even if it is one version older!

But you can continue to kiss their arse.

I didn't realize that getting a new product for my money was kissing ass. That is weird. What have I been thinking all these years???

🙄

But you can feel free to continue to be a bitter cheapskate 🙂

Frank
 
I find it funny that all these people are yelling and screaming about lack of support for an application they have never paid for. Also it's an app that wasn't even around a year ago and one that can easily be replaced by at least 2 other browsers that some could argue to be better.

If you had paid for Safari I would understand the grief over this but it was a free program.
 
Originally posted by MacBandit
I find it funny that all these people are yelling and screaming about lack of support for an application they have never paid for. Also it's an app that wasn't even around a year ago and one that can easily be replaced by at least 2 other browsers that some could argue to be better.

If you had paid for Safari I would understand the grief over this but it was a free program.

I'm yelling and screaming over lack of support for an Operating System that I did pay for. If I could buy a fully functioning version of Safari for Jaguar, I would. But I can't. I have to upgrade my Operating System to 10.3 which I don't want to do.
 
Originally posted by kenohki
I'm yelling and screaming over lack of support for an Operating System that I did pay for. If I could buy a fully functioning version of Safari for Jaguar, I would. But I can't. I have to upgrade my Operating System to 10.3 which I don't want to do.

Safari is not part of 10.2 that is my point. It's in a way just a 3rd party browser which you have other options for.

With 10.3 this is different though as Safari now actually a part of the system package coming with the system so you actually pay for it.

You don't have to upgrade anything you can use another browser which offers every feature Safari did and more.
 
It is awful that Safari 1.3 is compatible only with Tiger, not with Panther. I don't want to pay $129 to upgrade to Tiger so I want a free upgrade from Sarari 1.2 to Safari 1.3 for Panther instead.

Oh wait, I'm not supposed to post this complaint for another 6 months. Never mind. 😉
 
Originally posted by MacBandit
Safari is not part of 10.2 that is my point. It's in a way just a 3rd party browser which you have other options for.

With 10.3 this is different though as Safari now actually a part of the system package coming with the system so you actually pay for it.

You don't have to upgrade anything you can use another browser which offers every feature Safari did and more.

Excuse me but Safari 1.2 did not ship with Panther.
 
Come on, guys... Safari is a free app, now using components that don't exist in 10.2. Upgrading to Panther just makes sense. Yes, you're paying $130 a year to do so, but anyone who uses a Mac daily should be able to see the inherent value not only in the platform itself, but in each subsequent upgrade which brings not only new features, but new benefits for whole new applications as well.

Safari did not ship with Jaguar. It does ship with Panther. No one is forcing you to upgrade. At the same time, you have no right to complain since Safari 1.11 is a PERFECTLY GOOD BROWSER. It is a free app, and there is no reason Apple should feel forced to cripple its speed/featureset just so users on Jaguar can use it. There are other browsers out there besides Safari, all of which are great (Camino, OmniWeb 5, Firebird). There's nothing wrong with using them.

This is called progress, people. Some of you in the Windows world may not have heard of such a thing. Apple works to improve products they make, not only adding new features but making them work better on newer operating systems. Be happy that there is still at least one company out there committed to making things BETTER.

So the new Safari doesn't work on a year-old OS. The old Safari is fine. Upgrading your OS is, in the long run, a far better thing to do than sit around on messageboards bi**ing about a newer version of a free app not running on your OS.

This is like complaining that iPhoto was never available for OS 9. Come on, guys.. shut up already.
 
Also if you even know a teacher or student in college remotely you can ask to use there name when ordering and get the Edu discount for computers and software and 10.3 is $69 after discount.

Though as many have stated there is nothing wrong with 10.2 so don't upgrade no one is forcing you to and you don't have to use a program you didn't pay for to start with get Camino or any of the other great 3rd party browsers.
 
Originally posted by MacBandit
I find it funny that all these people are yelling and screaming about lack of support for an application they have never paid for. Also it's an app that wasn't even around a year ago and one that can easily be replaced by at least 2 other browsers that some could argue to be better.

If you had paid for Safari I would understand the grief over this but it was a free program.

We are arguing and screaming over the fact that in order to ever see any new improvements, we have to now upgrade our OS for $129.
 
Originally posted by Bluefusion
Come on, guys... Safari is a free app, now using components that don't exist in 10.2. Upgrading to Panther just makes sense. Yes, you're paying $130 a year to do so, but anyone who uses a Mac daily should be able to see the inherent value not only in the platform itself, but in each subsequent upgrade which brings not only new features, but new benefits for whole new applications as well.

You know, I can almost see the above quote in an Apple marketing website. Are you sure you don't work at the store or something? Have you succumbed to Steve's RDF?

Panther may make sense for you, but it doesn't for me. The only feature that interests me is Expose and I can't really use that very well since I have a graphics card that isn't QE supported. I like the current Finder better (would prefer a spatial finder), can't use iChat AV, don't want FileVault, don't have multiple users for fast user switching, don't user Mac OS X mail, don't use iDisk, don't use Preview for PDF browsing, etc. The features of Panther that I might use don't justify the price. I'll wait till there is some new feature that I need before upgrading thank you very much.

This is called progress, people. Some of you in the Windows world may not have heard of such a thing. Apple works to improve products they make, not only adding new features but making them work better on newer operating systems. Be happy that there is still at least one company out there committed to making things BETTER.

Are you out of your mind. Where I come from, this is called poor software engineering.

Some of us who work in both worlds have heard of backward compatibility and that you CAN update components in an OS that an application relies on without upgrading the OS.

So the new Safari doesn't work on a year-old OS. The old Safari is fine. Upgrading your OS is, in the long run, a far better thing to do than sit around on messageboards bi**ing about a newer version of a free app not running on your OS.

The old Safari is not fine. The new one isn't even fine from what I'm hearing. Go over and look on Apple's Safari support pages and you'll see all sorts of incident reports. Safari's standards compliance is not what it should be and if you've ever done any serious web application coding, you'd know that.

This is like complaining that iPhoto was never available for OS 9. Come on, guys.. shut up already.

No, this isn't like that. No one is asking for Classic support. People want support for the last version of the operating system. The current version of iPhoto still supports Jag users (of course it does, they can get money out of you for that). However, we can't even buy a version of Safari that would support an OS that was current a matter of months ago.
 
For you ESL students

Originally posted by ipoddin
We are arguing and screaming over the fact that in order to ever see any new improvements, we have to now upgrade our OS for $129.

Do you even understand the words you're typing? Here's a translation: "I am whining because I have to pay for what I get."
 
Originally posted by kenohki
The old Safari is not fine. The new one isn't even fine from what I'm hearing. Go over and look on Apple's Safari support pages and you'll see all sorts of incident reports. Safari's standards compliance is not what it should be and if you've ever done any serious web application coding, you'd know that.

I think I'm going to barf. Can I borrow your shirt?
 
Originally posted by TMA
Could Apple not release a KHTML Kit for Mac OS 10.2? Something we could just download and install seperately.

I agree with others on this thread: 10.2 seems to have become unsupported far too quickly. I think some companies have a small obligation to support still recent Software where possible. It seems to me Apple is getting increasingly sneaky in 'encouraging' people to update.

10.2 is still a supported OS.

Safari 1.2 does not work with 10.2. This does not mean that 10.2 is no longer viable or supported. Look at the other software Apple has released recently. I'm not sure of the reasons behind not making Safari work with 10.2 but remember that the original Safari didn't even work with 10.1 so there must be something involved at the OS level.

Does 10.2 not work on your computer any longer? If you had a problem with it could you not call Apple? Can you not visit their support pages? Does the version of Safari that you had not work with 10.2??? Then stop saying 10.2 is no longer supported. That is a misnomer.

Later, Frank
 
Originally posted by Matrix9180
Just curious, what exactly would you do with an undo function in a browser?
I'd like to be able to UNDO after I order too many impulse items from amazon.com. Can I have that too?
 
Originally posted by kenohki
You know, I can almost see the above quote in an Apple marketing website. Are you sure you don't work at the store or something? Have you succumbed to Steve's RDF?

Panther may make sense for you, but it doesn't for me. The only feature that interests me is Expose and I can't really use that very well since I have a graphics card that isn't QE supported. I like the current Finder better (would prefer a spatial finder), can't use iChat AV, don't want FileVault, don't have multiple users for fast user switching, don't user Mac OS X mail, don't use iDisk, don't use Preview for PDF browsing, etc. The features of Panther that I might use don't justify the price. I'll wait till there is some new feature that I need before upgrading thank you very much.

You can use Exposé just fine without QE; they made sure of that. I use it on a Blueberry iBook (4 MB VRAM) and it actually is fine.

As for not needing the other features, fine. If you don't want to buy Panther, don't. What new features did System 7.5 add of real value over System 7? OS 9 over 8.5? Really. No one is forcing you to buy each and every upgrade unless you can justify the price to yourself. But complaining that new software works on a new OS is just silly. Jaguar is a GREAT operating system. It's mostly kept current, but every once in a while some things don't get updated. It hardly seems to be a big deal.

Some of us who work in both worlds have heard of backward compatibility and that you CAN update components in an OS that an application relies on without upgrading the OS.
If by "both worlds" you refer to Windows compatibility, I'm surprised you even bothered to mention it. Does "DLL Hell" ring any sort of bells here? Programs install their own support files which make older programs unable to run due to the fact that those same support files have changed... it's so pathetic that even Microsoft has to crack down on it, and is supposedly doing so in Longhorn.

When speaking about backwards compatibility, don't EVER mention Windows as an example of how to do it. As far as compatibility is concerned, it's a complete and utter joke. ANYTHING that requires special files in Windows is in immediate danger of breaking due to a newer app coming out. This is not the case in Safari, I'm sure, but you can hardly hold it against Apple that they are moving forward, and trying to not mess up older, working versions of the OS. Every step forward is a test, and it's better to be sure of something than to go ahead and release it anyway (QuickTime 6.5 comes to mind).
The old Safari is not fine. The new one isn't even fine from what I'm hearing. Go over and look on Apple's Safari support pages and you'll see all sorts of incident reports. Safari's standards compliance is not what it should be and if you've ever done any serious web application coding, you'd know that.
So then... let's arrive at an agreeable solution! DON'T USE IT. If it's not up to your "serious web application coding" standards, use something else. Use IE, maybe, since its industry-standard heritage ensures that everyone produces the crappiest, least-adherent-to-protocol code the world has ever seen. Complaining that a free app, which promises Apple absolutely ZERO revenue is not up to your "serious standards" is just ridiculous. Don't like it? Don't use it. Safari 1.2 represents a MAJOR OVERHAUL of the WebKit Core. Maybe if you did any "serious browser application coding", you'd have figured that out, too.

If the old version wasn't good enough, why are you complaining about the new one at all? Maybe it works better, and now you're upset because despite it not being "up to your standards" you wish you could use it? Hmm? Sorry, pal... it's JUST like Classic. Which brings me to...
No one is asking for Classic support. People want support for the last version of the operating system.
When 10.1 came out and Apple began to slow and even stop development of OS 9 apps, the outcry was far more pronounced. Do you really want people disassembling and rewriting new (and working) software so that it runs on an older OS, or do you want them to write new software? Eventually Apple had to put their foot down and stop OS 9 development so they could put their resources to better use. Don't like it? Stay with what you've got... and STOP COMPLAINING.
 
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