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Safari 1.2 Released

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Originally posted by hulugu
No unfortunately to run Panther a machine must have had original USB, my sysadmin has an old Wallstreet Powerbook without USB and he can't get Panther to run at all, it simply refuses to install.
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That's what Xpostfacto is for http://eshop.macsales.com/OSXCenter/XPostFacto/

Of course YMMV and it's unsupported by apple.. But might be fun to try if you really want to run panther on a beige machine.

The "requires USB support" was just an easy way for apple to identify really old machines.. It's not the onboard USB hardware itself that is necessary to run panther...
 
Originally posted by MrMacman
thanks apple for leaving us behind again...

Come on, what gives, not EVERYONE updated yet...

Booo.

Arg, what the hell apple.

How about you want half a year before you move on to the next operating system only?

Errr.
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Ummm, there's a Jaguar and Panther version on Apple's website.
 
The one gripe I have is that because I am running 10.2.8 I do not have access to this update.

Although I hate windoze, when a new IE came out, it came out for all OS's (including ones over a year old).

I know there are posts about changing the "plumbing" but it's really frustrating that we who have technology that 4 months ago was "the OS of choice" cannot get these updates any more.

In any case, I'm glad that they give us the security updates.
 
Originally posted by carletonmusic
Why so many negative ratings?? Apple has the most difficult to please audience EVER!!
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This is the single most intelligent and insightful post I have read in a long time. carleton is so right. Every time Apple comes out with something I see more complaints than I could possibly imagine. People's expectations are so out of sync with reality its mind boggling. Honestly, I can so totally picture the following scenario.

*****Hypothetical Situation Begin*****
Press Release February 3rd 2004

Announcing the all new Apple PowerMac G6

Quad G6 proccessors at 5, 5.5, and 6 Ghz
1 GB PC9000 RAM upgradeable to 6 GB
2 600 GB FibreChannel HD's
64/96/48/32x DVD-RW/CD-RW
6 PCI-Z slots
Built In 100mbs Wireless networking
512 MB ATI-RAGE 15,000 Graphics Card with Triple Monitor Support
16 Button Wireless optical mouse with dual scroll wheels

Priced from $1200-$1800

*****Responses from posters on this form****

icomplainalot: What, no new Powerbooks, stupid Apple why can't they ever release the product I want when I want it

pctroll: what? only 3 times faster than a PC, apple is going out of buisness

headinthesand: when will Apple release a real mouse, 16 buttons just doesn't cut it

whineandcryMan01: but I just bought a computer last month that does all I needed it too, stupid Apple, I hate them

UberGeekxor: Man that is way to expensive, how does apple expect me to download my warez stuff of that expensive computer when I have no job and I'm too lazy to get one, they should give it to me for free cause I speak 1337

etc etc etc
****end hypothetical situation****
 
3 very simple technical reasons you'll never see this on Jaguar:

1. CoreGraphics - Shadows: you want cool blended CSS shadows, you use the system's shadow drawing class... 10.3 only.
2. XML via libxml2: libxml2 added to the system, as of 10.3.
3. SSL/Security - SecureTransport: a system framework with a custom implementation of SSL, got a large overhaul including full certificate support... 10.3 only.
 
Originally posted by stingerman
"Turn on full keyboard access" in the "Keyboard Shortcuts" of the Keyboard Preference pain works fine for me on the Orbitz site.
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I don't think full keyboard access is the answer. I personally don't want to have to TAB through all my bookmarks and all the elements of the browser. This is for people with special needs. I cannot TAB to drop-down menus as someone earlier suggestion testing at Amazon. I can TAB to input fields though no problem.
 
Originally posted by elgruga
This kind of post helps no-one. Its inaccurate (Safari does some Java things fine).
Its negative and comes across as a TROLL.

If you are looking for perfection, look inside first.
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He's right though, Safari has awful javascript support... which makes it useless to me ATM. Can't load half of my school's pages... so back to Camino.

I'm not sure if the javascript is causing the problem, but go to www.ign.com and watch your CPU usage max out.
 
Originally posted by Krizoitz
This is the single most intelligent and insightful post I have read in a long time. carleton is so right. Every time Apple comes out with something I see more complaints than I could possibly imagine. People's expectations are so out of sync with reality its mind boggling. Honestly, I can so totally picture the following scenario.

*****Hypothetical Situation Begin*****
<snip>
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That is the best post I've read in a long time and sums up how many other rational Mac users feel I'm sure. 🙂
 
Here we go again - with auto fill

Here we go again, I should have waited! My auto fill in not working again. I can not remember all my passwords! Safari was get for inputting my passwords. But this update, like the one in Dec., removed this feature - WHY WHY?
 
Re: Here we go again - with auto fill

Originally posted by greg6028
Here we go again, I should have waited! My auto fill in not working again. I can not remember all my passwords! Safari was get for inputting my passwords. But this update, like the one in Dec., removed this feature - WHY WHY?
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Look in your keychain in the Utilities Folder maybe?
 
Originally posted by ZildjianKX
He's right though, Safari has awful javascript support... which makes it useless to me ATM. Can't load half of my school's pages... so back to Camino.

I'm not sure if the javascript is causing the problem, but go to www.ign.com and watch your CPU usage max out.
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YEAH!!!
Ign's homepage takes FOREVER to load and I have a cable modem, wtf?! After I read the first several posts mentioning that Safari is a lot "zippier", I went to IGN to catch up on some Gamecube news, but it still takes a while to load.
I prefer EGM's website www.egmmag.com; pretty much the same amount of news w/o the rediculous load time.
 
Yeah, what HE said.

Originally posted by Krizoitz
This is the single most intelligent and insightful post I have read in a long time. carleton is so right. Every time Apple comes out with something I see more complaints than I could possibly imagine. People's expectations are so out of sync with reality its mind boggling.

<snippage.
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Thank you. You saved me a half-hour composing my own hypothetical situation. Great post.

Something that becomes more clear every day is that people don't communicate the same way on the web as they do in person, because in person it is immediately obvious that whining and screaming and cussing isn't the best way to get what you want. On the web, an overgrown adolescent can vent in the rudest possible fashion, and they won't get their teeth kicked in as they deserve.
 
Originally posted by TitaniumX2
3 very simple technical reasons you'll never see this on Jaguar:

1. CoreGraphics - Shadows: you want cool blended CSS shadows, you use the system's shadow drawing class... 10.3 only.
2. XML via libxml2: libxml2 added to the system, as of 10.3.
3. SSL/Security - SecureTransport: a system framework with a custom implementation of SSL, got a large overhaul including full certificate support... 10.3 only.
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And end users are supposed to pay because Apple's frameworks aren't nailed down and/or they won't expend the effort to update other modules and libraries that Safari is tied to? That's rediculous.
 
Originally posted by rockman2023
YEAH!!!
Ign's homepage takes FOREVER to load and I have a cable modem, wtf?! After I read the first several posts mentioning that Safari is a lot "zippier", I went to IGN to catch up on some Gamecube news, but it still takes a while to load.
I prefer EGM's website www.egmmag.com; pretty much the same amount of news w/o the rediculous load time.
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Seriously, try loading IGN on Camino (try out the latest nightly build), its amazing.

With Camino, I no longer need to use Safari for my browsing, then Internet Explorer for all those pages Safari can't load... Camino can load them all.
 
Re: Re: Re: Here we go again - with auto fill

Originally posted by greg6028
It's the Safari update, not my keychain.
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I meant you can get your saved passwords out of your keychain probably, since you said you couldn't remember them...
 
Originally posted by ZildjianKX
Seriously, try loading IGN on Camino (try out the latest nightly build), its amazing.

With Camino, I no longer need to use Safari for my browsing, then Internet Explorer for all those pages Safari can't load... Camino can load them all.
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Check out Apple's newest comparison of Safari 1.2 and the competitors:
http://www.apple.com/safari/

Camino trails, but comes in second.
 
Originally posted by corradokid
Check out Apple's newest comparison of Safari 1.2 and the competitors:
http://www.apple.com/safari/

Camino trails, but comes in second.
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Too bad they didn't test a nightly build of Camino instead of the really old beta... :-/ Hope that inspires the Camino developers to pounce on Safari even more.
 
Re: Regarding Java 2 1.4.2 and Safari

Originally posted by mdriftmeyer
In case you haven't read this note in developer.apple.com

http://developer.apple.com/java/index.html

Excerpt...

Please note that Java 1.4.2 will overwrite the Java 1.4.1 installation on Panther systems and is not removable. A developer package with updated headers, documentation, and tools is also available. [Feb 02 2003]
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I'll bet they mean 2004, not 2003!


Best feature of new Safari 1.2 v125: showing the pixel dimensions of images. Thanks Apple!
 
Originally posted by kenohki
And end users are supposed to pay because Apple's frameworks aren't nailed down and/or they won't expend the effort to update other modules and libraries that Safari is tied to? That's rediculous.
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My thoughts exactly. Technology changed between Win98 and WinXP, but you can get IE updates for either.

As an end user, shouldn't I get Safari 1.2 free whether I have Jaguar or Panther? (Comparing as to IE updates on Wintel)

For other software, like ilife 04, MS office, FCP, DVD studio pro, I will pay for those...

But if you look at the comparison to IE, I do not feel that I should have to pay for a new version of Safari. A new version which has more options and is more universally compatible with most websites. (I currently have to flip to IE if a site doesn't like Safari 1.0)

I bet there are a lot of 10.2 users who feel the same way. I'm not paying $180 CDN to get an OS that breaks some of my programs just to get an incremental browser update for Safari, 6 months after I bought the machine.
 
a picture's worth a thousand words.

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oh and for those people out ther bitching about how you cant use safari 1.2 on jaguar, think about what it would be like if you were a developer :\ yeeesh. talk about unsatisfiable customers. you do something they want you to do, and they complain even more. might as well not do anything they want you to do :\
 
Here's another thousand words about the change in direction for the reload icon. Why would the programmers change this, unless they were paid by the hour and ran out of more important changes to make?

Before and after the Safari update:
 

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I've seen people confuse it with the "back" button because of its direction. It's a subtle distinction, but a good change, I think.
 
Originally posted by ZildjianKX
Too bad they didn't test a nightly build of Camino instead of the really old beta... :-/ Hope that inspires the Camino developers to pounce on Safari even more.
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Considering he works in Apple Engineering I would expect him to devote more time to Safari and other Engineering tasks.
 
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