Safari 1.2 Released

[crees!]

Reload/Go button

For those of you who noticed the reload button has changed direction it also acts as a "Go" button. For instance, type in part of an address you've been to before, let it auto-complete it, then click the "reload" button. I'm a keyboard guy so I'll just hit RETURN instead. BTW, was/is this implemented in Safari 1.1.1?

 

[mdriftmeyer]

Re: Re: Regarding Java 2 1.4.2 and Safari

Originally posted by bryanzak
Apple has never said that. Never, not once.


Mod poster down.

You have no idea what you speak of. Join the carbon-dev list. Read the posts from dozens of Apple folks adding very cool new technologies like HIViews and the entire new HIFramework.

Cocoa is Apple's preferred object orientated environment.

Carbon is Apple's only C/C++ based environment.

It's safe to say that Carbon is here for the long haul. (And not only because Apple has said that, but because of all the apps that use it.)

(Now if you are confusing Carbon with CFM, that's a different thing. CFM is dead. It's a legacy technology and Apple will support it for quite a while I imagine, but all new stuff is purely mach-o and framework based.)



OK, now you are just making things up using keywords.


Why? Without carbon you wouldn't have any menu bars! That's right, every single Cocoa app uses the Carbon menu manager.

Carbon is nothing more than a set of C based APIs. It's also the only lightwieght GUI API on Mac OS X.

I don't think you're mean spirited or dumb or anything, but you are spreading misinformation and not painting an accurate picture.

Bryan

Yes Apple said this at WWDC 1997 and 1998. I had to hand out the damn Carbon pamphlets personally.

Carbon is not Apple's only C/C++ set of Frameworks.

Hell Quartz is written in C and C++.

If you mean to claim it is there only public C/C++ frameworks than you don't write many device drivers do you?

I/O Kit is all C/C++.

The Server Sockets are all what? And so on and so forth.

WebCore is C++ with Objective-C interfaces. If you want to write your interfaces you're more than happy to do so.

 

[ALoLA]

No problems with the download for Safari and Java 1.4.2 on both of my iMacs (upgraded tangerine and flat panel, both running Panther). 🙂 By the way, I have been using Safari for online banking for a while now. I wonder what problems other have been having. Bank of America as well. 😕

 

[ipoddin]

Originally posted by kirk26
Ummm, there's a Jaguar and Panther version on Apple's website.

Really, and are they both the same version number offering the same features? No, I don't think so. It's not like we're asking 1.2 to run on OS 7!!! We're talking about shutting out an OS that's only been upgraded a couple months ago.

 

[ipoddin]

Originally posted by übergeek
a picture's worth a thousand words.

oh and for those people out ther bitching about how you cant use safari 1.2 on jaguar, think about what it would be like if you were a developer :\ yeeesh. talk about unsatisfiable customers. you do something they want you to do, and they complain even more. might as well not do anything they want you to do :\

We're talking about Apple here, not some third party developer trying to appeal to everyone. A vast majority, of MS software (including those developed by MS) will work on OS'es that are 6 years old.

 

[BobVB]

Originally posted by ALoLA
I wonder what problems other have been having. Bank of America as well. 😕

Bank of America doesn't have a universal site, various combination of states each have their own, so maybe there are problems with some sites and not others?

I'm with you though, I have been using the Washington state BoA site with Safari without a problem for some time now.

 

[ZildjianKX]

Originally posted by mdriftmeyer
Considering he works in Apple Engineering I would expect him to devote more time to Safari and other Engineering tasks.

Wait, I'm a bit confused... who works for Apple Engineering? The Safari programmers...?

 

[ShnikeJSB]

Uproar.com FINALLY WORKS!

After waiting for God knows how long to get Uproar.com to work, it FINALLY WORKS with these two updates (Java and Safari)!!! I can FINALLY play Family Feud and Acrophobia and such! It NEVER used to work, and I have been trying to get it to work for years, and now it does, and I am happy! No problems with Safari yet, and I used the tips for getting Pith Helmet to work on Versiontracker.com, and all is well. Now, for some HARDWARE updates Apple! -JB

 

[Rower_CPU]

ZildjianKX-
I think he was referring to Dave Hyatt, former Chimera/Camino developer who now works on Safari.

 

[BaghdadBob]

They had better update to 1.2 on Jaguar, ffs, IT IS A JAGUAR APP. This is not iChat AV or something. Failing to support software you originally released on a platform that has only been outdated a few months (and that I bought less than a year ago) would be RETARDED.

 

[ZildjianKX]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
ZildjianKX-
I think he was referring to Dave Hyatt, former Chimera/Camino developer who now works on Safari.

But Camino is very actively developed now... :-/ ... so I was sort of confused... much more actively developed than Safari is.

 

[Doctor Q]

Listings at tvguide.com still display with the left column truncated. I was hoping it was a Safari glitch, and that it would be fixed with this release. I now suspect (without any proof) that the site is the problem, and that the pages were coded specifically for Internet Explorer. So I'll continue to grumble and use I.E. for this site only.

 

[zync]

Originally posted by Selecter
I cant believe the number of people that seem to have regular problems everytime a new update appears.

I have NEVER had ONE SINGLE issue on my Dual 1.8 - not one. Everything has always simply worked and worked fast.

the new Java and the new Safari appear to be continuing this tradition.

Whats with you poeple that have problems, update after update? I could name 2 names I've noticed have have at least one issue with every single update Apple has released since I've owned this machine, but that would lead to kaos. I've noticed, though. Some of you ( and you know who you are ) need to find a better way to get attention.

I agree but I think usually the people with problems are the people who don't get things showing up in software update. I don't know how that happens...it's never happened to me and I have also never had even one problem updating, I mean it's automatic. What are you guys doing while you're trying to install these things? Do you have like a 5GB file open in photoshop consisting of 99 layers of complex over-saturated images at 2048x1536? All while watching a movie from a Divx file on another monitor? And ripping a CD in iTunes? 🙂

 

[jaredbbauer]

PLEASE HELP!!!

Look, I am actually a pretty experienced mac user... But.... Safari is a piece of s**t... I like it much more than all of the other browsers but for some reason the last month it will not open up. I have reinstalled it and yet it still will not open. It starts to open up a page and unexpectadly quits every single time!!!!

IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS PLEASE HELP ME... OH... and if for some reason you do not think that this post belongs keep it to yourself no one cares!!!

 

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by joemama
Tabbing does NOT work!

My access level may say Newbie but a newbie I am not. Of COURSE I tested it first - on the defacto standard - Orbitz and Expedia. - BOTH don't work.

I tried that Amazon link and same thing - does NOT tab to pulldown menus - just goes to input boxes.

...next you;ll be telling us it's because I am on a G4.

You need to go to the system preferences and then the keyboard&mouse prefpane.

Once they're select the keyboard shortcuts tab. At the bottom of the window there should be a option to turn on full keyboard access. Do this.

Once you have done what I explained above tabbing to dropdowns will now work.

As for cycling through items in a drop down with same first letter don't stop at the first letter. Start typing the name of the item you want and it will select it.

 

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by ZildjianKX
He's right though, Safari has awful javascript support... which makes it useless to me ATM. Can't load half of my school's pages... so back to Camino.

I'm not sure if the javascript is causing the problem, but go to www.ign.com and watch your CPU usage max out.

Actually it does go to 100% on one cpu but only while loading the page. There's nothing wrong with that. It just means the page is being rendered nearly as fast as possible. It does the same thing anytime I load any other page as well and after a few seconds drops back down to 4-10% useage depending on what's going on on the page.

 

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by crees!
I don't think full keyboard access is the answer. I personally don't want to have to TAB through all my bookmarks and all the elements of the browser. This is for people with special needs. I cannot TAB to drop-down menus as someone earlier suggestion testing at Amazon. I can TAB to input fields though no problem.

You will only tab through all the UI elements if you have the page document selected and not the menu bar.

Also it sounds like you have your tab prefs set so that to tab to drop down menus and such you need to press option-tab. You can change this to just tab in the Safari preferences.

 

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Doctor Q
Here's another thousand words about the change in direction for the reload icon. Why would the programmers change this, unless they were paid by the hour and ran out of more important changes to make?

Before and after the Safari update:

It's a sub-concsious thing. Counter-clockwise means to go backwards to most of the world. Clockwise means to go forwards. Thus changing it to clockwise means that it does not simply reload it but gets the latest data. It's not a big thing but it's the little things like that which make the Mac OS the Mac OS and not Windoze.

 

[MacBandit]

Re: PLEASE HELP!!!

Originally posted by jaredbbauer
Look, I am actually a pretty experienced mac user... But.... Safari is a piece of s**t... I like it much more than all of the other browsers but for some reason the last month it will not open up. I have reinstalled it and yet it still will not open. It starts to open up a page and unexpectadly quits every single time!!!!

IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS PLEASE HELP ME... OH... and if for some reason you do not think that this post belongs keep it to yourself no one cares!!!

Start a new thread in the help forums. You will get a lot more help.

Have you tried deleting all prefs and Safari support files? Repairing permissions? Deleting cache files? Running nightly/weekly/monthly tasks? Running a disk check? Where are you in your diagnosis? Please do not reply to this here start a new thread.

 

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by zync
I agree but I think usually the people with problems are the people who don't get things showing up in software update. I don't know how that happens...it's never happened to me and I have also never had even one problem updating, I mean it's automatic. What are you guys doing while you're trying to install these things? Do you have like a 5GB file open in photoshop consisting of 99 layers of complex over-saturated images at 2048x1536? All while watching a movie from a Divx file on another monitor? And ripping a CD in iTunes? 🙂

A huge huge part of problems with Software update not recognizing you need the update and with problems post update are due to user error. People move application files from the directory they were originally installed in. This is fine for 3rd party programs that do not need to be updated automatically with software update but if it needs this then leave it alone. Create your folder you want it in and put an alias of the app in it rather then moving the app. I learned this lesson with 10.1 and it hasn't changed since.

 

[zync]

Originally posted by Krizoitz
This is the single most intelligent and insightful post I have read in a long time. carleton is so right. Every time Apple comes out with something I see more complaints than I could possibly imagine. People's expectations are so out of sync with reality its mind boggling. Honestly, I can so totally picture the following scenario.

*****Hypothetical Situation Begin*****
Press Release February 3rd 2004

Announcing the all new Apple PowerMac G6

Quad G6 proccessors at 5, 5.5, and 6 Ghz
1 GB PC9000 RAM upgradeable to 6 GB
2 600 GB FibreChannel HD's
64/96/48/32x DVD-RW/CD-RW
6 PCI-Z slots
Built In 100mbs Wireless networking
512 MB ATI-RAGE 15,000 Graphics Card with Triple Monitor Support
16 Button Wireless optical mouse with dual scroll wheels

Priced from $1200-$1800

*****Responses from posters on this form****

icomplainalot: What, no new Powerbooks, stupid Apple why can't they ever release the product I want when I want it

pctroll: what? only 3 times faster than a PC, apple is going out of buisness

headinthesand: when will Apple release a real mouse, 16 buttons just doesn't cut it

whineandcryMan01: but I just bought a computer last month that does all I needed it too, stupid Apple, I hate them

UberGeekxor: Man that is way to expensive, how does apple expect me to download my warez stuff of that expensive computer when I have no job and I'm too lazy to get one, they should give it to me for free cause I speak 1337

etc etc etc
****end hypothetical situation****

Hilarious man but you forgot one key person in the mix:

imalwaysrightcauseireason: dude shut up about the powerbooks already, I smell a troll, one button is all you need, give apple all your money it's not like you'll do something useful with it anyway besides you bought what you got buggy or not it doesn't say on the box that you can open up IE without it crashing on you even though IT COMES WITH IT I mean do you honestly think iPhoto was made to be fast with more than 10 photos in a library, and good god man give it a rest and actually buy your software for a change freakin' pirate and take your mexican friend warez with you...

I'm just playing man...great stuff....I fit in some of those catagories sometimes but you have to admit that Apple is a company that innovates yes, but it innovates to the point where it alienates....they're so secretive about everything that no one truly knows when to buy stuff especially if you don't follow rumor sites...had I waited 4 months to buy an iPod I'd have double the storage (and my iPod would actually have space on it 🙂) not to mention key features I requested...I've taken it with a grain of salt now but you have to admit that people not used to Apple (which is pretty much everyone at this point since it's become so different since even OS9) will have these kind of complaints....give them a bit longer in these forums and that'll temper them to the harsh business practices of Apple! UPGRADE OR DIE, no wait UPGRADE OR DON'T! Yeah that's it! Though Panther is worth the speed does the upgrade actually merit 129 (or 79) dollars from you? For most people, probably not actually...I'd probably be in their boat if it wasn't for UTD....hopefully I'll decide the next version will warrant my 79...with the new iApps it probably will....anyway hope you found my stuff as funny as I found yours 🙂

 

[greenstork]

Originally posted by bryanzak
Sorry, but you clearly don't understand browser technologies. They may not be part of the OS itself, but they rely on a signficant number of OS technologies. The simple fact is those dependent technologies (look at my post just before this one) are rapidly changing on Mac OS X -- each major release brings major changes to the "plumbing" of OS X. Because this plumbing changes so drastically, it's just not reasonably to trivially support something like Safari 1.2 on 10.2 and 10.3.

Microsoft actually has an advantage here due to being the more mature technology: their plumbing is much more stable from release to release simply because they've had more time to refine it. Apple's been moving at an incredible pace on OS X and this is one of those penalties for moving so fast: to move this fast means to focus on the future, not the past.

I think Apple has no choice really. They don't have thousands (literally) of engineers like MS does to throw at problems like this. Apple has to carefully allocate their engineering resources and make decisions about where to best spend the time and effort.

Is that bad? That's your judgement. In my opinion, no, it's good for the future of Mac OS X.

Bryan

Very well said!

 

[zync]

Re: PLEASE HELP!!!

Originally posted by jaredbbauer
Look, I am actually a pretty experienced mac user... But.... Safari is a piece of s**t... I like it much more than all of the other browsers but for some reason the last month it will not open up. I have reinstalled it and yet it still will not open. It starts to open up a page and unexpectadly quits every single time!!!!

IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS PLEASE HELP ME... OH... and if for some reason you do not think that this post belongs keep it to yourself no one cares!!!

Not sure exactly why but my friend's mom has this problem with IE in 10.1....

 

[ZildjianKX]

Originally posted by MacBandit
Actually it does go to 100% on one cpu but only while loading the page. There's nothing wrong with that. It just means the page is being rendered nearly as fast as possible. It does the same thing anytime I load any other page as well and after a few seconds drops back down to 4-10% useage depending on what's going on on the page.

No, its not normal... it takes Safari 15 seconds to load the page, taking 100% CPU usage the whole time... to the point where my fans have to rev up on my G5.

In comparison, Camino takes 4 seconds, and the CPU never hits above 80%... there is definately something wrong there.

 

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by ZildjianKX
No, its not normal... it takes Safari 15 seconds to load the page, taking 100% CPU usage the whole time... to the point where my fans have to rev up on my G5.

In comparison, Camino takes 4 seconds, and the CPU never hits above 80%... there is definately something wrong there.

There is something wrong on your machine. Maybe it's the caching. I find pages actually load faster if you have caching turned off if you are on broadband of some sort.

I just just timed my load time of IGN.com with no cache it took 6.2 secs. Yes this is a little long but hardly enough time to cause any system heat up or huge pause or anything.

This is on a Dual/1.42 with 1GB of RAM by the way and about 8 other apps open including Handbrake which is a program that converts DVDs to Mpeg4 video files. It is currently taking 178% of the cpu time. I imagine my load times might be actually faster if I had paused this program.