Safari 1.2 Released

[bryanzak]

Re: Re: Re: Regarding Java 2 1.4.2 and Safari

Carbon is not Apple's only C/C++ set of Frameworks.

Yes, sorry, I was not very precise about that. Carbon is Apple's only API for writing GUI based apps in C/C++. For example, all the major cross-platform frameworks from Qt to Whisper to younameit is built on Carbon.

Bryan

 

[acrobat]

U2's website

so far, i'm a big fan of the new Safari. however, there is one thing that i went to check right away when i updated. the website of U2 (u2.com), who is a huge Mac supporter as well as a supporter of the iTMS, does not properly show up. it didn't before, and it doesn't now. all the graphics show up, but the text does not. i don't know if this is a java thing or not, but it's just kinda sad that a group who is and has been so supportive of Apple and the Mac is not supported by the Mac Browser of Choice. besides that, i love Safari and am just waiting for some hardware updates tomorrow! (or the next day, or the next week, or...)

 

[Seamaster]

Originally posted by Mason
Still can't use safari for MS exchange servers. I'd like to use safari to access my school's webmail, but I'm stuck with IE instead. However, ign.com seems to load properly now.

Huh?

I've been using Safari since day one to access my corporate email via MS Exchange/Outlook webmail. Sometimes it screws up the rendering of message text, but clicking "view as webpage" fixes this.

Seamaster

 

[iMeowbot]

Originally posted by Dave_B

So the khtml engine will be available for 10.2 users, just not from Apple.

That's a bit of a stretch. Apple make the sources for the guts available to everyone right here. If it's practical to get the new stuff working under Panther, they even offer a link so people can show them how to do it.

 

[surf21]

Download manager

Well if you want to know how fast are you downloading just alt click on time remaining and it will change from time remaining to k/s .. cool

 

[bgarnett]

It really irks me how Apple has released v1.2 only for Panther, excluding Jaguar users. I have an iMac 17" at work, where I.T. take positively eones to upgrade to the next OS release (10.3). As a result I am stuck on the last version of Jaguar to be released.

Up until this point I had been considering a Mac for my next home computer. But when I see a company like Apple blatenly ignoring the majority who still use versions prior to Panther, it convinces me not to bother with the platform.

 

[ZildjianKX]

Originally posted by MacBandit
There is something wrong on your machine. Maybe it's the caching. I find pages actually load faster if you have caching turned off if you are on broadband of some sort.

I just just timed my load time of IGN.com with no cache it took 6.2 secs. Yes this is a little long but hardly enough time to cause any system heat up or huge pause or anything.

This is on a Dual/1.42 with 1GB of RAM by the way and about 8 other apps open including Handbrake which is a program that converts DVDs to Mpeg4 video files. It is currently taking 178% of the cpu time. I imagine my load times might be actually faster if I had paused this program.

Thanks for the input... I tried disabling my cache, but with the same results. I have tested this on 3 macs, all running Panther with the same results though... :-/

 

[grouse]

can anyone advise?

I'm running Advanced Web Ranking Pro version 2.3 which requires Java 1.4.1, does anyone know by any chance if it will continue to work under 1.4.2, 'cos if not, I'd better wait.

And will Safari 1.2 run fine without Java 1.4.2, if I do have to wait a bit?

I thought I'd ask, just in case.

 

[johnnyjibbs]

I think Apple has a problem with it developing such big OS updates (i.e. Jaguar and Panther, 10.4?) in such a short amount of time and then charging for them. It is simply too expensive for most people to upgrade every year (esepecially when you factor in iLife updates and other software). Sure, you don't need Panther, but if I had not upgraded, I would have been stuck with a verison of Safari that was buggy and could not load secure sites for me. This was fixed with Panther, and I can't see why it needs core Panther technologies for that.

If Safari, an independent app from the OS, is so closely reliant on core OS technologies, then Apple should consider providing at least a cheap upgrade path for users of the previous version. After all, if you already have Jaguar, you are paying the full price of Panther to upgrade, even though much of the product is the same.

Sure, there are comparisons with Windows and IE explorer. Ok, so I wouldn't expect any software updates for my Win 98 PC at home. But that OS is 6 years old. Jaguar was being sold for new until last October.

Sorry for the rant, but I feel that if there was a better upgrade path, the current Jaguar 10.2.8 runners would feel compelled to upgrade. As it is, Panther is better value for 10.1.5 users and excellent value for OS 9 users (presuming their computer can run it!).

 

[ervinocus]

Originally posted by sethypoo
If Apple's page says Panther, then believe me, it's for Panther.

And if Apple tells "JUMP!" you are only allowed to ask "HOW HIGH, SIR?", right? 🙄 😀

 

[tmeader]

I've found that Safari 1.2 completely botches the <optgroup> tag. The headings setup via <optgroup> still appear, but there is now NO differentiation between them and the option lists which are under them. In Safari 1.1 it was bad enough that you could select the <optgroup> heading, and it would default to the first option under it, now there's this to deal with too? If you don't know what I'm talking about, it's select lists that look like this:

Windows
  Windows 95
  Windows 98
  Windows XP
Linux
  Redhat Linux
  Mandrake Linux
  .......

In Safari 1.2, there is no indentation anymore. And you can still click on either "Windows" or "Linux" in the above example. Doing so would fill in "Windows 95" or "Redhat Linux" respectively. Come on Apple, EVERY other browser made for OSX gets this correct. Hell, even IE 5 on OSX does it well (better than any other I've seen as a matter of fact). This is an extremely useful feature for cleaning up complex select lists, and being as how Safari is now the built in default browser... this NEEDS to be supported well.

 

[iChan]

Re: Tabbing into drop downs works great - try before posting

Originally posted by schreiman
Tabbing into drop down menus works wonderfully. Please try it before posting how stupid Apple is -
Goto www.amazon.com
[tab] - brings you to their "sections" drop down
[space] - drops the menu down
try [e], [v]
WATCH it go first to "electronics", then "everything"
Very slick, deals with unordered lists appropriately.
I'm happy. Thanks Apple (finally).

doesnt seem to work for me anyway.

 

[Matrix9180]

Re: tabs

Originally posted by TorbX
I dont like that I have to right-click to get the "open in new tab"-option. I want this to be an one-click operation.

Have a scroll wheel? Click the middle button.

 

[Mafia00]

I love that they added "Open link in new tab" ... I recommended that feature a few months back

 

[Matrix9180]

Re: tabbing thru forms

Originally posted by maxtrax
Why is it that you still can't tab to a drop down menu? Does anyone care about tabbing to a link? I just want to tab thru a form without having to use the mouse for the dropdown menus. I really thought that would be addressed in this build.

On another note the caching problems seem to have been fixed, and for those of you who didn't come across it often, Safari could not refresh a page inside a frame and what pain that was for me, with our backend systems all in multiple framed pages.

So far it is faster and many bugs are fixed. I did think I read that tabbing thru a form was supposed to be working like it does in IE.

Oh well... I am still very happy happy with this update.

You CAN tab to a drop down menu... then you hit the space bar and then use teh arrow keys to go through the options.

 

[Matrix9180]

Originally posted by Stella
Seems an OK update.

However -
* I doubt whether this version of Safari will ever be released for Jaquar...

* Still no Undo function....

Just curious, what exactly would you do with an undo function in a browser?

 

[Matrix9180]

Re: Tabbing to drop-down menus

Originally posted by pwrst2
A couple of earlier posters are only partially incorrect about the tabbing to drop-down menus feature. While you can tab to a drop down menu, and you can then use the arrow keys to navigate it, you *cannot* type a letter on the keyboard to select the first menu item that begins with that letter. What's the point without this ability? This is such an easy feature to implement; most other browsers on any platform have had it for years, including IE, Mozilla, etc. It has been such a pain since I started to use Safari to have to use the mouse every time I select my state.....come on Apple, what were you thinking? It's the "little" things that make Macs great.

hit space first. then do it...

 

[Matrix9180]

Re: No Jaguar . . . sucks!!!

Originally posted by phasornc
Apple needs to grow up. Even M$ allows users of older OSes to use the latest IE.

And don't tell me to get Panther, when you have 35 machines to upgrade in an office environment you can't just update at the drop of a hat. Namely there are still no Jaguar drivers for our high speed industrial printers.

So you're telling me that your offices absolutely cannot survive without the latest version of Safari? give me a break. Quit whining!

 

[Stella]

Typing stuff in text boxes and especially Memo boxes - *especially* memo boxes.

Originally posted by Matrix9180
Just curious, what exactly would you do with an undo function in a browser?

 

[Matrix9180]

Originally posted by joemama
Tabbing does NOT work!

My access level may say Newbie but a newbie I am not. Of COURSE I tested it first - on the defacto standard - Orbitz and Expedia. - BOTH don't work.

I tried that Amazon link and same thing - does NOT tab to pulldown menus - just goes to input boxes.

...next you;ll be telling us it's because I am on a G4.

Do you have full keyboard support enabled in your preferences?

And just because YOU can't figure out how to get it to work doesn't mean that EVERYBODY on the board that says it does is lying. Calm down.

 

[kenohki]

Re: Re: No Jaguar . . . sucks!!!

Originally posted by Matrix9180
So you're telling me that your offices absolutely cannot survive without the latest version of Safari? give me a break. Quit whining!

They can probably survive. But if Apple has EOLed support for Safari on anything but OS 10.3, Apple has screwed them into using BETA QUALITY software unless they upgrade all their OS licenses.

This is a shady business tactic and people know it. People aren't just whining for the sake of it. They're mad because this isn't fair treatment. Apple has been getting themselves into some class action lawsuits over the poor end user support of their hardware and software (and has been required to compensate people by the judge in at least one case). So I would say that there are more than just a few peole that feel like Apple is giving them the schtick.

 

[billyboy]

It seems a bit premature to say that Jaguar users have been left out in the cold - 12 hours is a long time in politics, but in browser terms, a mere bagatelle. But even if Apple never touch an "old" version of Safari again, there are arguably better browsers for Jaguar out there than Safari anyway - Camino for one absolutely flies on Jaguar.

I would have thought Apple's priority was making OS X and its in-house apps run as well as possible. I guess they release new versions and updates and decide when to reduce or cut support, based on what ties into their development plans, and no doubt they play around with stats for maximum damage limitation. In numbers terms it seems a no-brainer to focus on Safari for Panther. They are appealing to the 60% users who are still on say, OS9, and they are pleasing the numbers who have already snatched Panther regardless of when they bought Jaguar Those numbers must surely dwarf the numbers of people who bought into Jaguar from say June to October last year and feel aggrieved at what is going on.

 

[BevvyB]

Since I installed 10.3 not one version of Safari has workd - I always get 'Safari unexpectedly quit'

Even with this new version

I've trashed fonts, run the deepest cache clean, restored permissions, trashed and re-trashed all Safari files, you name it. I've tried installing on new users, old users, new admins, moved files around...

Does anyone have any ideas? I'm all out. And I hate using Explorer.

 

[jvaska]

ah, my one bug report might have actually been read...a very weird bug that caused popup windows (javascript) to center in the middle of the screen has been fixed...on the previous version it would absolutely not work properly...

i'll be curious to read how much better the css support is in this version...v

 

[neier]

Frames on tabs!

I didn't see this in any of the earlier comments, but something I just noticed is that right-clicking inside a frame now gives you the option of also opening up the frame in a new TAB. Before, we could only open the frame in a new window. That change is worth the price of admission, all by itself. 😎