Safari 5 and Xcode 4 Coming at WWDC

[guzhogi]

What about it? It's already there. Safari for OS X uses CoreAnimation and CoreImage, along with other hardware-accelerated frameworks.

Windows, obviously, can't use them. But Windows does have Media Foundation, and that's where hardware acceleration comes in on Windows. If true, Apple will beat both Microsoft and Mozilla to the punch for non-beta hardware accelerated browsers on Windows.

While that's true, this is the first time I've heard Safari being advertised as being hardware accelerated for any platform.

I think Xcode on the iPad will be the biggest bomb that apple has dropped in recent history if it happens. I actually wouldn't care for anything else they would release or announce.

I could see xCode coming to the iPad. If not at this year's WWDC, maybe next year's. With all the emphasis Apple places on its mobile line, I could see this happening. Would also like to see some form of TeX come to the iPad, but that might not happen since Apple might consider it "interpreted code".

 

[KnightWRX]

...and what's with the ? I find that icon so insulting and unnecessary...

It's the icon I use everytime some guy brings back everything to Apple. Apple this and Apple that. Apple Apple... It gets on my nerve and I find it insulting and unnecessary that everytime someone posts something about the computer industry, some guy makes it sound like Apple was there first and then needs to be debunked.

Does that mean if a new safari and Xcode are being release. A new iPhone probably won't be?

Is there a quota on product announcements ? Seriously, for all we know, they could announce new Macs, new iPhone, new Xcode, new Safari, new OS X, new FCP, new Logic, new iWork, new iLife AND Steve's new haircut.

Also, remember this doesn't all have to happen in the keynote. The WWDC is not some kind of 2 hour event...

I think Xcode on the iPad will be the biggest bomb that apple has dropped in recent history if it happens. I actually wouldn't care for anything else they would release or announce.

Xcode on the iPad would be the biggest bomb. Because it would get used exactly 2 minutes before realising that on-screen keyboard = takes up way too much space.

What good is a coding IDE if I only get to look at 2 lines at a time because the keyboard is taking up half the screen ? Oh wait, don't say "dock your iPad with a keyboard"... please... argh!!! you're going to say it right ? If I do that, might as well fire up the Mac connected to a hi-res display and use the screen space instead of coding on a 1024x768 screen...

 

[FinderUser213]

Opera has a following. I find it's email/widgets/browser/more in one to be one of the reasons it's behind in HTML 5. I use it for testing only.

Here is the current HTML 5 status of Opera 10.60 against the latest Chrome Beta and GNOME Epiphany 2.30.2.

The difference between Epiphany and Chrome deals solely with Geolocation not currently ready for Epiphany. Otherwise, it's actually more compliant than Chrome.

....

What point are you trying to establish here?

Yeah, it's new fangled Karakan engine is super-compliant, but Chrome/Midori are still the fastest real-world browsers on the Gnome desktop. I am speaking from data and personal experience. (Also, your linked picture is out of date, the newest chrome is Chrome 6+, so that information is wrong).

The difference between Chrome and Epiphany is UI, extensions, and a lot of things. They also both tweak webkit slightly. To boil that down to geolocation...

Who said Opera didn't have a following?

 

[guzhogi]

It's the icon I use everytime some guy brings back everything to Apple. Apple this and Apple that. Apple Apple... It gets on my nerve and I find it insulting and unnecessary that everytime someone posts something about the computer industry, some guy makes it sound like Apple was there first and then needs to be debunked.

You're right, Apple didn't invent a lot of things. However, it made a lot of these things more popular.

 

[KnightWRX]

You're right, Apple didn't invent a lot of things. However, it made a lot of these things more popular.

I'm not contesting that. Making stuff popuplar isn't making stuff in the first place though, and it's not more praise worthy than the innovators who made up the stuff in the first place. Project Looking Glass wasn't even the first around with the concept. It was one of the first to make something out of the existing flat window concept though.

I think some people just hit the kool-aid a wee bit too hard in the morning.

 

[matticus008]

While that's true, this is the first time I've heard Safari being advertised as being hardware accelerated for any platform.

Probably because the last time it was news was over a year ago. Ars wrote about it.

Hardware transforms started in 2007, shipped in Mobile Safari, and of course Safari 4 on Snow Leopard uses CoreAnimation, too. It was part of the original plan to develop rich web applications for the iPhone, and most of those efforts have worked their way into various standards (e.g. HTML5 Canvas enhancements, CSS3 Transforms based on the WebKit models, WebGL).

You can see it in action here and here.

Of course that's totally independent of the hardware-accelerated video playback available to the browser in OS X, which might also be making its way over to Windows Safari.

 

[3282868]

It's the icon I use everytime some guy brings back everything to Apple. Apple this and Apple that. Apple Apple... It gets on my nerve and I find it insulting and unnecessary that everytime someone posts something about the computer industry, some guy makes it sound like Apple was there first and then needs to be debunked.

Tttthat's... not what I... was staaating [steps away uneasily].... chillllllll

 

[Lord Vader]

I'm not contesting that. Making stuff popuplar isn't making stuff in the first place though, and it's not more praise worthy than the innovators who made up the stuff in the first place. Project Looking Glass wasn't even the first around with the concept. It was one of the first to make something out of the existing flat window concept though.

I think some people just hit the kool-aid a wee bit too hard in the morning.

That kool-aid thing through overuse has lost it's power.

 

[jimmyjoemccrow]

You're right, Apple didn't invent a lot of things. However, it made a lot of these things more popular.

I take issue with this too. Apple is often ahead of the curve but I don't think they are responsible for making things like the GUI and USB more popular. Things like this would be adopted anyway, Apple just happens to be first because they have a smaller set of customers to aim at and position themselves as a premium experience.

 

[KnightWRX]

I take issue with this too. Apple is often ahead of the curve but I don't think they are responsible for making things like the GUI and USB more popular. Things like this would be adopted anyway, Apple just happens to be first because they have a smaller set of customers to aim at and position themselves as a premium experience.

I don't think he claimed USB was made popular by Apple. The iMac having only USB didn't spring forth all the USB accessories, the technology was already well entrenched in PCs. Heck, MP3 players were already on the way up and hugely popular and Apple's first iPod bombed something fierce because of its limitations (namely, requiring a Mac).

I do agree some people here will tell you Apple created MP3 players and USB out of thin air, and others that are more tame will just claim Apple is sole responsible for their adoption.

If the iPad does work though, they will have a point to say Apple made tablets popular, because frankly, those things have been around a while and have a serious problem moving units.

 

[guzhogi]

What's the word on Webkit2?

 

[3282868]

I don't think he claimed USB was made popular by Apple. The iMac having only USB didn't spring forth all the USB accessories, the technology was already well entrenched in PCs. Heck, MP3 players were already on the way up and hugely popular and Apple's first iPod bombed something fierce because of its limitations (namely, requiring a Mac).

I do agree some people here will tell you Apple created MP3 players and USB out of thin air, and others that are more tame will just claim Apple is sole responsible for their adoption.

If the iPad does work though, they will have a point to say Apple made tablets popular, because frankly, those things have been around a while and have a serious problem moving units.

Agreed

Although I do admit that while Creative Labs, etc had MP3 players, Apple built on the concept and made it more ergonomically friendly and aesthetically pleasing for mass production/consumption. Certainly they improved upon an already developed product, making it sleek, easier to use and much more appealing. I remember having a Creative Labs Jukebox (I believe that's what it was called) before the iPod came out, the iPod was a much better MP3 player.

 

[2992]

great, but not good enough.

when Safari will translate the webpages as GChrome, then I'll start using it again. Until then, sorry Safari...

 

[wrldwzrd89]

What's the word on Webkit2?

As far as I know, it is nearing completion, and will make it into Safari 5.

 

[matticus008]

I take issue with this too. Apple is often ahead of the curve but I don't think they are responsible for making things like the GUI and USB more popular. Things like this would be adopted anyway, Apple just happens to be first because they have a smaller set of customers to aim at and position themselves as a premium experience.

That's a revisionist cop-out, though. Apple isn't always at the front, but the USB example in particular is a poor one. They were widely criticized at the time for putting all their eggs in USB's basket.

With perfect hindsight, it seems like a risk-free move, but it certainly wasn't at the time. For everyone who praised the decision as bold and forward-thinking, there were two who predicted that it would cause Apple's final collapse into oblivion.

The iMac having only USB didn't spring forth all the USB accessories, the technology was already well entrenched in PCs.

It certainly was not. Linux support was a mess through the early 2000s, and Windows first added USB support in September 1997, less than a year before the iMac. In 2001, most printers and scanners for PCs were still based on parallel ports. There are still a large number of PCs using PS/2 keyboards and/or mice. The first computers with USB keyboard support in BIOS didn't appear until 1999 and it still isn't universal.

The iMac, also launched in 1998, not only included USB, but didn't include anything else. It was widely panned for doing so by most enthusiasts because at the time there were no significant practical advantages to USB and there were almost no peripherals available to use it. Most computers didn't have it at all, and those that did had purchased aftermarket PCI cards to get it. The peripheral selection was that of the early adopter crowd.

There were no flash drives or digital cameras or external hard drives or media players or much of anything, really.

Heck, MP3 players were already on the way up

The first commercially successful MP3 player, the PMP300, didn't exist until after the iMac. It didn't use a USB port, but instead a parallel port. The famous Nomad, released in 2000, also used a parallel port. It was the Nomad II that used USB.

I do agree some people here will tell you Apple created MP3 players and USB out of thin air, and others that are more tame will just claim Apple is sole responsible for their adoption.

They neither created USB nor are solely responsible for its adoption, but to dismiss the huge role Apple played in both the implementation and the popularization of USB is foolhardy at best.

Some of the other things popularly attributed to Apple are overblown, but USB is not one of them.

 

[jaedreth]

Mac OS 10.7

If we hear *anything* about Mac OS X 10.7 Monday, it will be only that it's in the works, and details won't be released until next years WWDC.

We *might* here something about Apple's potential move to AMD.

 

[jaedreth]

Gui / Usb

I take issue with this too. Apple is often ahead of the curve but I don't think they are responsible for making things like the GUI and USB more popular. Things like this would be adopted anyway, Apple just happens to be first because they have a smaller set of customers to aim at and position themselves as a premium experience.

You obviously haven't been in the tech industry since the mid 90's.

Intel created USB, but was having a hard time getting PC vendors to give up their legacy connectors. PC's didn't start using USB ports until a few years after Apple came out with the original iMacs.

And as for the GUI, due to Apple's success with it, not only did Windows come to be, with early 3.1 elements *directly ripped from MacOS*, but even Linux distributions these days now come with GUIs.

Please do your research before you reveal your ignorance.

 

[KnightWRX]

It certainly was not. Linux supp...

You obviously haven't been in the tech industry since the mid 90's.

Intel created USB, but was having a hard time getting PC vendors to give up their legacy connectors. PC's didn't start using USB ports until a few years after Apple came out with the original iMacs.

See these guys prove my point. Apple was irrelevent in 1998. They were a dying company. I didn't even care about them, and yet I saw and read about USB everywhere. Devices were announced and coming by the metric ton. Apple didn't take it on itself to push USB, it just knew, like the rest of the industry, that USB was it and was going to be it for quite a while.

Support for everything on Linux was a mess in 1998. It was all a day late and a dollar short. That was life on Linux back then. You either loved it and learned to live with it or you installed Windows.

As for Intel and USB, they didn't have any problems. It wasn't the iMac that brought USB to the forefront, it was Windows 98. Sure Windows 95 OSRC had USB support, but it was one of the marketing bullet points for Windows 98. Microsoft pushed it, Intel pushed it, it got adopted. It's very much a PC technology, and it didn't take a few years after the iMac, it was there before the iMac.

And as for the GUI, due to Apple's success with it, not only did Windows come to be, with early 3.1 elements *directly ripped from MacOS*, but even Linux distributions these days now come with GUIs.

Please do your research before you reveal your ignorance.

Please do your own research, because you just revealed your ignorance. Linux distributions have had GUIs since Xfree86 was ported to it. Linux' "GUI" originates in 1984, but not because that's the year the Macintosh launched, but rather because it's the year that the X Window System was born (not X-Windows please, there is no such thing, X Window System).

 

[guzhogi]

And as for the GUI, due to Apple's success with it, not only did Windows come to be, with early 3.1 elements *directly ripped from MacOS*, but even Linux distributions these days now come with GUIs.

Don't forget that Apple ripped GUI off from Xerox!

 

[vohdoun]

Safari 5 is Intel-only, but there will also be a Safari 4.1 update which will still support Tiger/PPC and will include many of the same fixes and minor improvements.

You work for Apple? I guess if it's on the internet it must be true!

 

[matticus008]

I didn't even care about them, and yet I saw and read about USB everywhere. Devices were announced and coming by the metric ton.

No, they weren't. Unless you purchased a new computer with Windows preinstalled after September 1997, you couldn't use USB at all until May 1998, and even then it was incomplete support. Who was announcing and shipping devices without a computer to use them on?

I'm not sure what devices you're imagining existing, but there was no broad PC USB ecosystem until about 2000.

Apple didn't take it on itself to push USB, it just knew, like the rest of the industry, that USB was it

USB was a novelty in 1998.

It wasn't the iMac that brought USB to the forefront, it was Windows 98. Sure Windows 95 OSRC had USB support, but it was one of the marketing bullet points for Windows 98. Microsoft pushed it, Intel pushed it, it got adopted. It's very much a PC technology, and it didn't take a few years after the iMac, it was there before the iMac.

You clearly don't remember the late 90s accurately.

What USB peripherals were PC owners buying in 1998? Not printers. Not scanners. Not game controllers. Not audio devices. Not MP3 players. Not digital cameras. Not flash drives. Not external hard drives. Not keyboards or mice. Not ridiculous novelty toys. Not even PDA synchronization. Windows 98 implemented support, but there was no push to replace all of the existing peripherals until much later, because there was no hardware incentive to do so and because USB availability on computers was not that high.

When the iMac launched, there was not much to choose from--a few third party mice and handful of random devices. But the resulting models of keyboards, mice, printers, and scanners for Macs were all USB, and that slowly spilled over to the PC side. The first USB Zip drives were for Macs. Sales of USB printers didn't overtake parallel port printers until 2002. If Windows 98 was the big driver, why didn't people move over en masse to USB until Windows XP and USB 2.0 arrived?

The unwillingness to cut ties is evident even today--for reasons passing understanding, a mini-ITX mainboard still usually has a parallel port and PS/2 ports.

 

[Lord Vader]

I bought a Celeron 400 Mhz with 64 MB RAM and Intel 810 (if i'm not mistaken) graphics in 1999. It had no USB ports.

I remember I had to install USB drivers for Windows 98 to use 64 MB flash drive. Windows 98 (that version) had no USB drivers.

 

[Damers]

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for fortran support in Xcode's command line tools...

 

[VoR]

The unwillingness to cut ties is evident even today--for reasons passing understanding, a mini-ITX mainboard still usually has a parallel port and PS/2 ports.

I can't think of any new mini-itx boards that have parallel ports. The odd one has serial ports, and most have headers for them if not (and I can think of tonnes of reasons a small itx, 3rd party motherboard might have these). Pretty much the only machines that have these legacy ports like parallel/vga/etc are business machines - and it's also pretty obvious why they do this too.
Not so sure about ps2 connectors, as all my equipment still has them. I'm just assuming that the parts for them cost absolutely nothing, the circuitry is already there on even the most modern chipsets/boards anyway, and that they include them because 'they might as well, just in case'

 

[3282868]

No, they weren't. Unless you purchased a new computer with Windows preinstalled after September 1997, you couldn't use USB at all until May 1998, and even then it was incomplete support. Who was announcing and shipping devices without a computer to use them on?

I'm not sure what devices you're imagining existing, but there was no broad PC USB ecosystem until about 2000.

USB was a novelty in 1998.

You clearly don't remember the late 90s accurately.

What USB peripherals were PC owners buying in 1998? Not printers. Not scanners. Not game controllers. Not audio devices. Not MP3 players. Not digital cameras. Not flash drives. Not external hard drives. Not keyboards or mice. Not ridiculous novelty toys. Not even PDA synchronization. Windows 98 implemented support, but there was no push to replace all of the existing peripherals until much later, because there was no hardware incentive to do so and because USB availability on computers was not that high.

When the iMac launched, there was not much to choose from--a few third party mice and handful of random devices. But the resulting models of keyboards, mice, printers, and scanners for Macs were all USB, and that slowly spilled over to the PC side. The first USB Zip drives were for Macs. Sales of USB printers didn't overtake parallel port printers until 2002. If Windows 98 was the big driver, why didn't people move over en masse to USB until Windows XP and USB 2.0 arrived?

The unwillingness to cut ties is evident even today--for reasons passing understanding, a mini-ITX mainboard still usually has a parallel port and PS/2 ports.

+1

It's the icon I use everytime some guy brings back everything to Apple. Apple this and Apple that. Apple Apple... It gets on my nerve and I find it insulting and unnecessary that everytime someone posts something about the computer industry, some guy makes it sound like Apple was there first and then needs to be debunked.

So one of the reasons you have frequented MacRumors for so long is to catch Mac enthusiasts if they state incorrect information or information that you disagree with, in your opinion?