Safari for Windows Updated to 3.0.1

[clevin]

They wouldn't. You would have to wait for the monthly patch tuesday from Microsoft Update.


Guys, this is beta software. It is not a release, or gone gold. It has holes, it has bugs, and Apple want you to test it and give feedback. They can have all their programmers test Safari and miss something out.

1. apple patching process is slower than M$, apple users exposed to the risk longer than M$ users per year, its headline a month ago, do some search u will find it

2. Apple put this BETA out with too many "claims", if its only for the purpose u mentioned, they should have make sure their "claims" be modest and somewhate true. Think about it: apple trash windows whenever they can on TV, then release a "best browser" for windows like a king giving mercy to losers, and turn out the best browser is...... what can apple expect from windows users then?

 

[bigmc6000]

Anybody else try the "find"

I hated the find in Safari 2 - it was so crappy. The new find is pretty sweet I must say - looks like Spotlight for your browser. I like!

 

[MarcelV]

Still crashes when you do anything in XP.

You're kidding me. I run it at work most of the time. The only thing I really need IE for, is for CA Service Desk.

The only two issues so far that I have noticed were: 1. maximizing the screen on my extended desktop (secondary display only). It does not display properly at all. Height is correct, but the screen is displayed only partial to the right of the display. Most visible area is gone. (Secondary display is a Dell 1907FP, primary display is the laptop itself, a D520) running XP.

Second issue is that if I maximize Safari on my primary, the taskbar (set to auto-hide) is not accessible at all. I have to resize, and then the hidden taskbar is available when moving cursor to the bottom of the screen.

I only had one time Safari crashing (on the first day). But so did Webshpere almost at the same time. Not sure what happend there.

 

[Cindynjgirl79]

So it would seem...

Here's what happens when I'm trying to add a bookmark:

View attachment 76583

Fantastic...

yeah same thing happens to me! it's driving me nuts!i really want the safari to work on my pc. i hate that machine but if i have to use it, i have to. should this update fix this?

 

[pgwalsh]

OK, here is a screen of my error message... for some reason I can't copy and paste the actual error.

I do see that it says my System is Windows NT 5.1. I am running XP Home Edition. I don't know if it matters much, but iTunes works fine.

My guess is this is a software conflict. Did you do the full install with quicktime? If not, try it. Also you may want to start windows with start-up apps disabled and see if you can run safari.

I just installed and used safari on my old AMD Athalon 2100+ with 768mb ram. It ran fine. However, I have very little loaded on this machine. I'll try my wx home machine and see if I have the same problem.

 

[Masquerade]

It would help if you actually showed the error report and not just the dialog box. Someone might be able to help you out.

Please post the data in the error report.

Are u an Apple engineer? if yes, please tell how i can browse and read webpages without text!

 

[pgwalsh]

It's not really that important, I only use Parallels to check web pages in IE. Just downloaded Safari for s***s and giggles, and posted just to point out that it is just as stable as the average windows application...

I'm in the same boat. Works fine in Parallels for me. Seems faster than native on my Mac strange as that may sound. However, I have most of the cool effects turned off in xp where everything is turned on in OS X.

 

[pgwalsh]

Are u an Apple engineer? if yes, please tell how i can browse and read webpages without text!

No I'm not. No association with Apple at all. Just worked in the IT industry for many years.

That's an interesting question nonetheless. Is it a flash site?

 

[surferfromuk]

yeah same thing happens to me! it's driving me nuts!i really want the safari to work on my pc. i hate that machine but if i have to use it, i have to. should this update fix this?

I get the same when I try to report a bug which doesn't bode well...If the 'report a bug' system isn't working then we have the first fundamental obstacle to improvement...

 

[ISMPlus]

?
I'm running XP and I haven't really had any problems....what're you doing with it?

Not getting that behaviour over here. Runs fine on XP.

Windows XP here too... No problems here either... my ds has already bookmarked a ton of sites! (ds uses our PC while I use my mac for everything. I have not installed the beta on my mac)

 

[flopticalcube]

You need to go out and try more Alphas, my friend

curse google/web 2.0 and their abuse of the beta label!

alpha - feature incomplete, almost always tested internally, though some companies have started to release alphas to select developers. adobe being one.

beta - feature complete. released to a wider non-internal audience. sometimes private/invitation only, sometimes open to all for real world testing looking for bugs/security holes, etc...

safari 3 - is a beta.

apple's only clear mistake in the safari 3 release for window was using the "secure from day one" tag. that was bound to wind up apple haters looking to knock apple down a peg or two. open for more debate would be releasing it as a full public beta first, though who knows maybe it's been in private beta for a while too.

Whoa! Now I know how clevin feels.

I only said it feels more like an alpha than a beta. It crashes frequently on me, won't install on my Athlon PC, doesn't render every page as well as Safari on OSX. Honestly, I had about the same number of problems with Gran Paradiso. Maybe I hold Apple to too high a standard but I find it too rough coming from a company as smooth as Apple.

 

[Cindynjgirl79]

I get the same when I try to report a bug which doesn't bode well...If the 'report a bug' system isn't working then we have the first fundamental obstacle to improvement...

i going to try and reinstall it again and see if it works with the update.

 

[macinfojunkie]

Not to say that the bugs found were not a potential threat but they were found by BUG Hounds (security researchers - see June 12th MacRumors article) people who's job it is to find holes in software they actually have competitions to find or break software. Usually they do it for a fee to help companies secure their software, the fee being for how the found the problem - saves the company money in reinventing the wheel (Problem). Had those same problems been found by you and I then there would be a lot to SCREAM about. Yes it was serious, but it's fixed and the BUG Hounds are still trying to find other holes and the rest of us are just trying to make it a typically Apple friendly experience.

Those BUG hounds use exactly the same techniques as hackers and writers of malicious code in order t find ways of targeting systems. You think that only the good guys look into this kind of stuff. Get real!

 

[TiAdiMundo]

Guys, this is beta software. It is not a release, or gone gold. It has holes, it has bugs, and Apple want you to test it and give feedback. They can have all their programmers test Safari and miss something out.

Yes, they missed to click on the "create bookmark" button. Sorry, but the IE7 NEVER crashed during the beta test on the beta 2 version of Vista. And IE is a lot more complex than Safari.

 

[MrCrowbar]

I hated the find in Safari 2 - it was so crappy. The new find is pretty sweet I must say - looks like Spotlight for your browser. I like!

I love it. Better than the Firefox one where you have to look for where it actually found something. But the Safari find is still a bit slow compared to Firefox. But I like how the marquees drag behind when you scroll. Hopefully, the find thing will be quicker in Leopard. I bet the Safari versio for Leopard and Tiger are quite different and the Leopard one uses the latest libraries and stuff...

I use it as my main browser (on Tiger) and never had any issue with it. Love the resizable text boxes (i just resized the box I'm writing in right now) too. That's a neat feature.

 

[pgwalsh]

Yes, they missed to click on the "create bookmark" button. Sorry, but the IE7 NEVER crashed during the beta test on the beta 2 version of Vista. And IE is a lot more complex than Safari.

That's funny and interesting. Everyone's experience varies. I have 3 computers with running windows. One AMD/XP Pro, Laptop Intel, and Parallels. They have all had problems with IE 7 crashing except for the paralles machine and I have no problems with FireFox or Safari on any of them. However, I keep active processes and applications to a minimum on all machines.

The laptop is a toshiba and it has a know ram issue with the built in memory. That causes all kinds of problems whenever I load a lot of apps. Sucks, but that's life.

 

[rvernout]

For the people outside the USA: it was known already a few hours after the first release that Safari on XP versions other than the US version crashes every time when you try to add, import or watch bookmarks, and that it doesn't render bold, italic and non-latin text. So that makes the program pretty useless outside the US, you cannot even really test it.

Too bad that Apple didn't fix this yet. I've read a do-it-yourself hack somewhere (which involves renaming many files, so I'm not going to bother with it) to fix the bookmark bug, so it shouldn't be too complicated for Apple to fix it in an update.

 

[Cameront9]

I'm running 3.0.1 on Windows XP and the only issues I've had in three days of use as my exlusive browser are:

1) One crash while working with Flickr's Organizr and dropping photos on maps

2) Yahoo Widgets (nee Konfabulator) is broken and refuses to start (which has been posted in the Konfabulator forums message boards, so they are investigating the problem)

3) Refreshing the page doesn't return you to the same spot you were before refreshing.

Other than that, it's been smooth sailing. Dell Deminsion E520, with only 512MB of RAM.

 

[Sonofhaig]

Buggy indeed

So, did they send out a buggy beta while they had the fixes in the wings just to show the PC world that they can get a fix out within a few days?
If they did do that, was it worth the bad press for the bugs?

Version 3.0 worked fine until trying to download any pdf from a site, and the application would crash. I reverted back to version 2.0.4, and now no problems. (PowerPC G4, 10.4.9, 1.38 gb sdram). Anyone come across issues like this?

 

[kirk26]

Not only are they very quick with fixing the security holes, but they fix them before they officially release it, unlike M$.

Lame comment of the day. You win the prize.

 

[dernhelm]

Whoa! Now I know how clevin feels.

I only said it feels more like an alpha than a beta. It crashes frequently on me, won't install on my Athlon PC, doesn't render every page as well as Safari on OSX. Honestly, I had about the same number of problems with Gran Paradiso. Maybe I hold Apple to too high a standard but I find it too rough coming from a company as smooth as Apple.

I find all this alpha vs. beta stuff pretty amusing. If beta means feature complete, and safari is in beta on windows, then Apple has completely missed the boat. They have no support for proxies, no way to handle certificates, certain configurations are permanently grayed out (e.g. Parental controls). There is no way this thing is feature complete. It's beta just like gmail is beta. They hope you'll use it, report bug back and while they continue to add new features, they can make it more secure and less buggy. It'll be in beta for months or years.

To be honest, I don't expect much of anyone to switch to Safari, even if it worked flawlessly. They released it so developers had a testbed for iPhone apps - that's it. Pretty much no one on a PC would stop using either Firefox or IE to switch to Safari, anyway. And believe me, Apple knows it. If they can come in at around Opera's market share, they'd be doing well.

They do however, have a real opportunity to help forward some web standards here. It would be nice if Apple produced the most compliant browser on the planet. That might give them a bragging point that would be hard to argue with. If you want to make sure your website passes muster standard's wise, you could simply hit it with Safari and you'd know. That I could find useful.

 

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

For the people outside the USA: it was known already a few hours after the first release that Safari on XP versions other than the US version crashes every time when you try to add, import or watch bookmarks, and that it doesn't render bold, italic and non-latin text. So that makes the program pretty useless outside the US, you cannot even really test it.

Yes, because no-one is using latin text outside of USA...

 

[bilbo--baggins]

I still can't figure out why anybody would want to run an Apple app, on a Mac, in a Windows emulator. Is it just morbid curiousity?

Maybe for during testing for web developers?

Wonder how soon they'll fix the major bugs in the OS X version of beta 3. I uninstalled it because if was causing the Reply button to not work properly in Mail (Yes, safari 3 beta caused bugs to appear in Mail, removing it solved the problems).

 

[BeethovensPiano]

Still not working at al for me on XP SP2. crashes on start up. Did download it again a few minutes ago but have no way of telling if it's the latest updated version.

 

[A is jump]

That doesn't fly. They made a huge splash with the release, it's available for download right at their frontpage, they are encouraging people to install it, they are bragging how it's secure "from day one"... And when they find huge holes in it, we are supposed to ignore them because "it's beta".

If it's beta, why are they encouraging people to install it? Why are they claiming that it's secure?

Nope. it isn't "Officially Released" as you put in your last post. It is a PUBLIC BETA. Just as Adobe did with the new Photoshop.
Most reasonable people know, when a company offers software for download as a public beta, that it has flaws. that IS the point of releasing Beta software.

They are encouraging people to install it to help find holes, and Bugs! Because its a PUBLIC BETA.
Notice if you even own a mac that it doesnt come up under software update.
The reason for that, is because software update is where you download "OFFICIALLY RELEASED" updated software. In order to download the new safari. You had to go to Apples website, and manually download it. and I don't think apple does anything on their website to trick you into it, as to download it, you have to click on a button that says "SAFARI 3 PUBLIC BETA"