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Safari Team Asks for Feedback Amid Accusations That 'Safari Is the Worst, It's the New IE'
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You don't get it. The poor WebRTC support is entirely Apple's fault. This is a big example of exactly what the problem is.
So, something I didn’t know before reading this thread is that Chrome is actually the new IE. Google provides tools that make things easy for developers, but the code the developers are creating is optimized for Chrome, just like Microsoft used to do with IE.
My issues with Safari are the lack of good ad blockers and it puts more strain on my CPU than Firefox. If those problems didn't exist I would probably be using Safari.
*Rolls up sleeves*
Howdy Jen, welcome. You must be new to the internet 😅
A few that come to mind, all macOS Safari:
Safari:
90% of these were already submitted, over and over.
So Jen, thank you, if you ever come across these and decide to act. I'd love for Safari to be the best browser, do you and your team?
Howdy Jen, welcome. You must be new to the internet 😅
A few that come to mind, all macOS Safari:
- Pages stalling halfway while loading / unable to click / sometimes happens with google results or pages just remain white with no content.
- -Compact view is nice, the concept, but please keep refining it, it's not entirely there yet, there is a lot of info compressed in the tab box which sometimes conflict, tab title text gets cut every now & then, this has been present since Safari 15 day 1.
- Searching via the tab url box sometimes takes forever.
- Sidebar, location always resets upon closing/ opening it, the UX has worsen.
- "Tab groups" feature, deliver something polished please. You can't even navigate through them without the sidebar eating 1/5th of your screen open.
- In experimental features, you have around 100 items listed with no possibility to select or deselect them all, just reset to default. Is this "list" format the best you can provide for such feature?
- Dev tools inspector freeze easily, when adding properties to the CSS panel, many times they get duplicated out of nowhere, fuzzy behaviors. No react extensions tool compatibility in 2022.
- The extensions ecosystem is anemic, blame devs?
- Add a color picker to the inspector with multiple color formats (hex & rgba at least).
- Add an option for font styles information upon text inspection popover.
- PDF viewer could provide thumbnail page number scrolling for like, you know, PDFs with tons of pages?
- Provide more granular privacy controls & a built in adblocker, or stop blowing privacy smoke all over the place?
- Multimedia playback is a Russian roulette with every update. When you navigate away from the playing tab, the video quality decreases, ever thought about navigating the internet while playing full screen video in another monitor?
- Improve Widevine support please.
- A web browser today needs to be unbundled from the OS so updating can de done efficiently while keeping a professional evolution pace.
- Provide the possibility to erase cookies & cache on a scheduled way, as with history.
- Sites like outlook or atlassian, they seem to redirect a lot and open up new tabs when all you want is just to reload or sign back in from the same pinned tab.
- The overall performance is so clunky compared to other browsers within your own OS, why is your own "native" browser outperformed by Chromium forks? e.g. back / forward (swipe) functionality works faster on almost every other browser, try it yourself.
- Maybe center align downloads popover caret with the downloads icon button (full screen)?
- Is it too hard to maintain responsive view up to date with the latest devices? While at it, please include some form of user input for dimensions, because once you resize with the frame's handles it is a pain to get back to a specific value (if achievable at all). Considering you are selling 4k & 5k desktops & screen, why would you remove the 4K dimension in the last version?
- -When using the inspector vertically, give the option to make DOM panel full width and move CSS panel to the bottom, for the love of god, it's basic UX.
90% of these were already submitted, over and over.
So Jen, thank you, if you ever come across these and decide to act. I'd love for Safari to be the best browser, do you and your team?
Right, if it were for users loving this in its current state, we would still be using butterfly keyboards, lightning connected pencils & a charging port in our rears.
Maybe they could put twitter aside and stop ignoring the received feedback
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But that bad experience is caused by web developers. They need a kick up the backside to make sure their sites work with every browser rather than eliminating competition.
I am a developer of a WebRTC web application and have been for several years. While the app works perfectly in Chrome, Safari constantly lags behind with random lack of support, and inexplicable bugs.
Safari on iOS has had an open bug since iOS 14.4 where WebRTC audio is practically unusable because the incoming audio level is almost zero, and a fix for it is finally coming in 15.4. This kind of issue shouldn't exist for a day, let alone the half a year that it has gone on. That should tell you just how much Apple cares about adhering to web standards that production web applications depend on. This isn't the kind of thing you're going to read on Macrumors. This is real world of web development and the sad, sad state of Safari.
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That's what a pi-hole is for, really. Or a pseudo VPN like AdGuard for the iOS side.
I always consider it hilarious when Microsoft does things like bump their os to 10 just because Apple was on X and they were on 7, and Intel changes the name of their process nodes because the competition has numbers that look better. Like, these things objectively don’t matter. But then, you read how people think externally facing version numbers have ANY bearing on quality of code and you understand more about why they do it.
I think it’s more, “Oh, you’re using Safari? We coded this specifically for Chrome so it won’t work in Safari.” As long as developers are coding for Chrome, then the mantra will continue. It doesn’t matter much, I suppose, because anyone that wants at those valuable iOS customers are just avoiding the browser altogether and making apps.
Yeah ads....to bad Ublock does not work with Safari anymore.
Same. To the original poster mentioning problems with PDF it is likely the web site. I can fire PDF in all sites I go to that generate PDF except one. For some reason Workday always initiates a download of the PDF instead of displaying inline in Safari. If I open the same report using Brave it opens inline.
My favorite is Firefox and Opera.
I use Safari a lot too but only for secure purchase since I believe it's more secure
My biggest complaint about SF is the performance. It took much longer time to open a tab and close a tab. Response time is way slower than FF and OP.
I use Safari a lot too but only for secure purchase since I believe it's more secure
My biggest complaint about SF is the performance. It took much longer time to open a tab and close a tab. Response time is way slower than FF and OP.
I'll be the last person to simp for Safari, but it ain't no IE. Extensions and UI are my biggest gripes and that last bug was just unfortunate. It won't be my daily driver, but I'll still use it. ?♂️
I don't know if this is a Safari problem or a problem with all the sites themselves, but I like to have 4 pinned tabs for my most used things (email, slack, discord, google chat) - they're constantly having warnings that they're using lots of resources and had to be restarted. I imagine they're causing sluggish behavior in the browser over time - but like I said I don't know if that's Safari's fault.
I also have noticed in Safari I have way more issues with websites not working properly unless I uncheck content blockers in the site settings, whereas the same site in Chrome works fine.
I also have noticed in Safari I have way more issues with websites not working properly unless I uncheck content blockers in the site settings, whereas the same site in Chrome works fine.
HTML 5 -> Web applications 3/17 (5.7 percent) Failing.
HTML 5 -> Web Payments Payments 0/5
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Instead of NOT supporting things that Apple Nanny does not like or think are appropriate, make those things settings and default to off, but let users decide for themselves.
HTML 5 -> Web Payments Payments 0/5
The HTML5 test - How well does your browser support HTML5?
The HTML5 test score is an indication of how well your browser supports the upcoming HTML5 standard and related specifications. How well does your browser support HTML5?
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Instead of NOT supporting things that Apple Nanny does not like or think are appropriate, make those things settings and default to off, but let users decide for themselves.
Same here. Not sure what people are complaining about. It’s fast, efficient, minimal, doesn’t drain the battery of my Mac or iOS device too badly etc. My favourite browser.
Strange argument I think – just because Chrome OS and Windows have a larger user base than Apple’s it doesn’t mean Apple’s user base is small.
Anyone saying "it's my favorite browser on iOS"
You have no choice on iOS.
They are all "Safari" (in various different disguises)
You have no choice on iOS.
They are all "Safari" (in various different disguises)
Yeah...I don't do like my banking or anything on it, just for the occasional site that won't work in Safari. And I don't store any info in it. But truly anything is better than Chrome, imo.
Stop the Safari can't load this page errors.
Stop the Safari is reloading this page errors.
Fix Safari to work with self-signed certificates.
Fix safari to work with http sites (not forced to https). Http still exists.
Drop the Nanny attitude and give users choice.
Stop the Safari is reloading this page errors.
Fix Safari to work with self-signed certificates.
Fix safari to work with http sites (not forced to https). Http still exists.
Drop the Nanny attitude and give users choice.
