Since use MacOS, iOS and Windows, using Safari as my main is not practical. I just use Firefox since I'm not a fan of Chrome or Edge.
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Safari Team Asks for Feedback Amid Accusations That 'Safari Is the Worst, It's the New IE'
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"Reopen All Windows from Last Session" has been broken at least the last month or maybe two for me, it just stays greyed out regardless of whether windows/tabs were open before last quitting or crashing. Super super annoying.
Biggest complaint I have is it’s near impossible to edit a long URL without turning it sideways. Even then I’ve had to paste the URL into notes, edit the end of it, then open it back in safari. No way I see to select just a portion of a URL
Apple's Safari and WebKit team has asked for feedback on Twitter amid criticisms of the browser's bugs and missing support.
Jen Simmons, an Apple Evangelist and developer advocate on the Web Developer Experience team for Safari and WebKit, Tweeted that "Everyone in my mentions [is] saying Safari is the worst, it's the new IE." This led her to ask users for feedback, preferably highlighting specific bugs and instances of missing support that inhibits websites and apps.
Simmons also urged users who notice bugs that are "several years old and not fixed" to contact her with a link from bugs.webkit.org or a Feedback number from Apple's Feedback Assistant so it can be looked into more closely. The call for feedback has largely been received positively.
Safari has been met with complaints from some users in recent years over the browser's bugs, user experience, and website compatibility. The problems reached fever pitch last year when Apple unveiled a substantial redesign for Safari at WWDC, which was met with widespread criticism that accused the changes of being "counterintuitive." After months of tweaking the ambitious redesign in response to feedback, Apple eventually gave up on the changes just before the public release of iOS 15, iPadOS 15, and macOS Monterey, reverting to the previous Safari design by default.
Article Link: Safari Team Asks for Feedback Amid Accusations That 'Safari Is the Worst, It's the New IE'
Did you ever use uBO for an extended period of time?
It doesn't seem like it.
Nobody who did would even bring up AdGuard, as it's such an inadequate substitute
I'm close to abandoning Safari........ Too many sites don't work properly with it and the number of incompatible sites is growing.......
I really want to keep using it but I have to increasingly use a chrome based browser just to be able to get on to some sites at all.....
Safari just doesn't work in some cases.
PLEASE DO SOMETHING APPLE!
I really want to keep using it but I have to increasingly use a chrome based browser just to be able to get on to some sites at all.....
Safari just doesn't work in some cases.
PLEASE DO SOMETHING APPLE!
1) terrible favorites management
2) “smart” recommendations is a useless
3) Apple removed the “pinned” favorites from the “home page”.
4) changes for the sake of changing
5) Makes iPhones and iPads warm just for browsing!. What kind of efficiency is that?. Including Macrumors forums, but in Edge, voila!, linger battery, phone does not get warm in Macrumors.
6)Súper hard to make voice searches
7) the way to adjust font size per site actually quite good.
2) “smart” recommendations is a useless
3) Apple removed the “pinned” favorites from the “home page”.
4) changes for the sake of changing
5) Makes iPhones and iPads warm just for browsing!. What kind of efficiency is that?. Including Macrumors forums, but in Edge, voila!, linger battery, phone does not get warm in Macrumors.
6)Súper hard to make voice searches
7) the way to adjust font size per site actually quite good.
Yes, the people are definitely the bugs. The fact that she really needs users to point out the blatantly obvious bugs is eye-popping! Well that explains why the ridiculous bugs in Apple software keep on getting through. The software team are so incompetently blind, they can't even see them if they are right in front of them. Do they even have a test team????
No mate, the web follows public standards now. Chrome follows public standards. The whole, the-web-not-following-standards-thing, got killed off when the courts forced MS to pull their head in with IE's sneaky proprietary tricks. If Safari isn't displaying a site correctly when other browsers are, it is Safari's software team's fault for being completely incompetent, just like every other software team at Apple right now.
I've only just switched to Safari on iOS, and glad I did, it's a really smooth experience all round! I haven't had trouble with any sites or experienced any bugs, and I use it all the time.
Complaints about the bottom tab and address bar are amusing, since there is nothing that is unintuitive about it, except that it's different (and more logical) than the norm. It is no means "change for the sake of change", it's taking real steps to make browsers more usable. While it's disappointing that Apple caved slightly by allowing users to keep the old way, it at least indicates Apple is willing to give more choices to it's users, which bodes well for the future of their OS's.
Complaints about the bottom tab and address bar are amusing, since there is nothing that is unintuitive about it, except that it's different (and more logical) than the norm. It is no means "change for the sake of change", it's taking real steps to make browsers more usable. While it's disappointing that Apple caved slightly by allowing users to keep the old way, it at least indicates Apple is willing to give more choices to it's users, which bodes well for the future of their OS's.
I'm pretty sure if you do send feedback to Apple, your message gets automatically routed straight into the bin anyway.
Ha ha, as if. The users are using it wrong, is Apple's mantra when it comes to this stuff.
Sure, but they also need to catch up with IT trends, and:
A. actually make it possible for the public to send feedback and not have it automatically routed straight into the bin.
B. actually hire a testing team.
The fact that anyone in the Apple software teams is even thinking this way to be making a statement like this speaks volumes. The entire management of the Apple software division is completely incompetent, and needs a complete clean out and restart. Fire every manager in the software divisions, from top to bottom, and start again.
Yeah people love to hate it for some reason.
Don't really know why I'd wanna use Chrome (for example) as it's full of Google's little trackers/feelers and uses more resources without any tangible benefit.
Firefox? I use it occasionally but again, for no real benefit over the stock browser.
IMO browser geeks just love to ditch stock browsers and recommend whatever's popular at the time (i.e. they love to customise and brag about it so of course hearing somebody say 'I just use the stock browser' will make their eyes roll).
It's like this game called SecondLife that I play. I always get a million eye rolls when I say 'the official client is the best because it's the fastest'. In terms of frame rates this is objectively true. Similarly with cars... I get a lot of eye rolls whenever I say 'the factory settings for this car are the best, don't mess with them or you'll kill it pretty quickly!!!' 'Experts' in the tech world never seem to like being told that the factory provides the best solution as it makes their advice that 'you should use blah, blah and blah instead' irrelevant.
Web devs don't have to even bother with that stuff anymore. Automated tools and libraries do all that work now. Web devs merely have to code to standards, and it just works. If there is an issue with a particular browser, either the library is broken, or the browser is broken. In Safari's case, knowing the quality control at Apple software lately, I think it's a bit hasty to be jumping to any conclusion other than Safari being at fault. And yeah, many devs merely test to Chrome, as it is the current de facto, and it's very good.
Their answers for many complaints are like "Please ask that 3rd party dev to support it.", but how about they ask by themselves? Then those 3rd devs would say "we don't do that for now because ...". This "..." part can be the real problems Apple should solve.
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Ha ha, I didn't knwo that. We are all about "privacy and security", but no no no, you can't be blocking ads there sunshine.
Tabs on the bottom in iOS is a big improvement.
Often, when I run into that and check the console, the errors are caused by sites using Chrome-specific functions and not handling other browsers properly. That's just laziness.
Probably because Firefox on iOS has to use the Safari engine under the skin. Normal Firefox plugins don't work and any rendering bugs are from Safari.
If Apple would allow other browsers with their own engines, we would not be hobbled like this.
Very odd, passive-aggressive tone of these tweets. I'm not sure such a person should publicly represent Apple.
I used to follow her on Twitter a few years ago.
She always seemed nice, but at times a bit prickly - I feel that coming through a touch here