I use Safari exclusively for personal use and, now that Duplicate Tab has FINALLY been added, I have no real complaints.
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Safari Team Asks for Feedback Amid Accusations That 'Safari Is the Worst, It's the New IE'
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I don't hate Safari, but at times it does feel more or less like a stock app designed to be replaced. I open it purely for personal use.
My biggest hang-ups are the bugs (randomly reloading pages, tabs going back/closing, iCloud Tabs...) and the incompatibility with some websites - notably, some Microsoft 365 services. Oh, and like a lot of Big Sur/Monterey it would be nice to be able to 'grab' the window easily with a cursor... Half the time I have trouble moving the flipping thing!
I downloaded MS Edge and love it! So I use that exclusively for business because of the reliability.
My biggest hang-ups are the bugs (randomly reloading pages, tabs going back/closing, iCloud Tabs...) and the incompatibility with some websites - notably, some Microsoft 365 services. Oh, and like a lot of Big Sur/Monterey it would be nice to be able to 'grab' the window easily with a cursor... Half the time I have trouble moving the flipping thing!
I downloaded MS Edge and love it! So I use that exclusively for business because of the reliability.
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Exactly right. There's people that want to make better web apps but hit a wall at safari. I'm not one of those devs but I've seen them mention it. I'm sharing this article with them.
Yeah, but the actual fixes/releases making it into normal Safari don't happen fast at all.
That's the actual issue
The masses (where benefits of changes are needed) aren't going to using Dev Preview browsers (nor should they have to)
I love the tab bar at the bottom, being able to just swipe from tab to tab is so much better then having to open the tab switcher, find the tab, tap it, then open it again to go back.
I actually quite like the current tab paradigm. I'm not sure there's any point to every browser looking and behaving like Chrome.
M1 Mac Mini. There are certain websites I just can't go to on Safari like MacRumors, Android Police, and even Google Maps. I will open up the activity monitor and just watch the RAM usage gradually increase to over 1 gig but I don't see the same behavior on Chromium based browsers. I still prefer Safari but I also wish I could make PWAs from Safari too so I could quit Chrome.
What would make a browser the new IE, is that it totally ignores HTML rules and renderes everything wrong. Back when I made websites we designed for all browsers, and than spend a full week programming in IE workarounds. Terrible.
Safari does the handoff thing and icloud keychain. I can live with the occasional tab reloads and the automatic tab switching it does when you move away from a loading tab. Which is about my only complaint with safari. (I want a toggle to switch that behaviour off)
So happy user.
Safari does the handoff thing and icloud keychain. I can live with the occasional tab reloads and the automatic tab switching it does when you move away from a loading tab. Which is about my only complaint with safari. (I want a toggle to switch that behaviour off)
So happy user.
On iOS you have no choice (it's all the same engine underneath the variety of "skins")
- iCloud keychain works brilliantly across all devices!
- Safari on IOS has really good memory management.
- Safari on Mac has really sh*t memory management.
Please can they make it just pause tabs via the super fast SSD then load that pause into memory when it's clicked on. It doesn't need to re-load the webpage just load the memory which has been written to a file on the SSD.
- Safari on IOS has really good memory management.
- Safari on Mac has really sh*t memory management.
Please can they make it just pause tabs via the super fast SSD then load that pause into memory when it's clicked on. It doesn't need to re-load the webpage just load the memory which has been written to a file on the SSD.
So many people here (and on Twitter) thinking she's asking for general feedback on Safari. She is on the Web Developer Experience team, if you're not a web developer, she wasn't talking to you. She's asking for bugs people encounter while developing websites. Bugs that make the job of a web developer harder.
more like:
Users: APPLE HAS A MONOPOLY ON SAFARI!
Safari Dev Team: oooookay. Riiiiiight.
on macos they rolled back tabs but messed up address bar in the process, there's no winning with this apple
I have no complaints. The only complaint I have is being emailed spam with no sender or receiver address attached. That’s annoying.
For mobile I don't care much as my requirements (and expectations) are low and any browser will do the job (I recently moved from Safari to Edge but maybe I'll move to DuckDuckGo for extra privacy), the Safari UX on the Mac however doesn't work for me, the fact alone that the window won't automatically zoom across the screen is a big UX issue for me, the side-to-side tabs are also annoying and hard to get used to, plus the fact that I need to be cross-platfrom and I won't in a million years be using Safari on Windows (if they even keep releasing it there)
So about the article, I understand that Jen Simmons is frustrated that users ignore Safari and tries to put the blame on them by calling them haters? Is she for real? Should I remind everyone that Apple is a 2 trillion dollar company and if they want to make software that people use they have all the resources in the world? If people choose not to use Safari they probably have better reasons other than "vague hating".
So about the article, I understand that Jen Simmons is frustrated that users ignore Safari and tries to put the blame on them by calling them haters? Is she for real? Should I remind everyone that Apple is a 2 trillion dollar company and if they want to make software that people use they have all the resources in the world? If people choose not to use Safari they probably have better reasons other than "vague hating".
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Was a big Safari fan, until recently, when I shifted to FireFox, so I can have more privacy.
Not a fan of having things like WebASM, WebGL, WebRTC etc all active, without any way to turn them off
Not a fan of having things like WebASM, WebGL, WebRTC etc all active, without any way to turn them off
This is the kind of ******** that they explicitly asked not to be mentioned. The latest issue that allowed tracking has been fixed, move on.
Safari's lag behind the rest of the internet, and the most interesting innovations happening in web technologies, is also long documented, and is the main source of this frustration.
Apple should just do the web a favor and make it into a Chromium browser. They can keep their entire user interface, they can keep all of their privacy features, but let the actual browser engine be Chromium. Edge is Chromium now too. Just let the web be 1 consistent place.
I swear the only reason they don't do this now is because it would make web apps much more usable on iOS.
Sadly all of the schools in my area are 100% Google for everything. The only "computer skills" that get taught are how to navigate Google's product line and the most basic aspects of opening Chrome in ChromeOS. I find it depressing, but it seems to work for them.
... or were you making a joke about replacing the companies? It's hard to tell on the internet.
It would be interesting to get a listing of the accumulated web sites people say Safari doesn't handle right. Generally what I see are sweeping statements that sites don't work without providing examples. It would be interesting to see if these broad characterizations would be repeatable on other people's systems or not.