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Safari Team Asks for Feedback Amid Accusations That 'Safari Is the Worst, It's the New IE'

The funniest part about this is how most of the comments under this article, wherever it's posted, are suddenly supportive of Safari - whereas in other contexts when Safari comes up, it gets trashed exactly like Simmons describes.

Here are a couple of real answers:
  • Your extensions marketplace is trash. Only Safari extensions have to run as an OS-level application (e.g., AdGuard for Safari lives in the menu bar when running). You charge people $99 to develop free extensions for your browser, which leads to a dry desert of options relative to other platforms because you just have to get that hundred bucks.
  • You don't offer support for legacy macOS versions nearly as far back as all of your competitors. Firefox 97 runs on Sierra. Chrome runs on El Capitan. The oldest macOS you can get Safari for is.... Catalina.
These complaints are both "won't fix" for Apple. They're by design.. they're the point for Apple.

I'll give them credit for rolling back the disgusting changes to the tabs on macOS this year though.
 
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It lacks support for quite a few modern standard in order to make it as difficult as possible for developers to bypass the App Store. Apple obviously doesn’t give a crap about desktop Safari since it’s nothing more than a rounding error compared to Chrome, Firefox at al.
 
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antiprotest said:
If anyone on their team asks for feedback, they should do it with humility instead of that tone and then rebuking people for bringing up old stuff. Very off putting and increases the resentment.

In any case, one example is that they need to work with their cloud team and fix the cloud tabs sync issue once and for all. Yeah, that's bringing up old bugs that THEY STILL HAVE NOT FIXED.

Or are the people the real bugs?
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Please re-read, she said if theres any old issues to please contact her about it specifically for it to be handled.
 
Glad to hear the Safari and webKit teams are open to suggestions. Super easy fix is to support user privacy and safety via webRequest and BlockingResponse in iOS and macOS:

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Source: https://developer.apple.com/documen..._safari_web_extension_s_browser_compatibility

Much needed options in the digital age!
 
The use only Safari. I can't say if other browsers are better.

All of my Apple devices are in the beta program.

One annoyance, when some items on a web page don't load and I have to refresh
 
gank41 said:
I've been harping on their SideBar depreciation for a while now (FB9493574). The SideBar used to run up to the Favorites Bar, not the top of the app itself. It used to remember exactly where it was when last used on the Start page. Now the SideBar's reset every time you collapse it and reopen it again. And when you're relying on getting at months old links saved to your Reading List and it's now 5 Clicks (if you count clicking in the Search Field) instead of just opening a New Tab (One Click) and then clicking in the Search Field that's still, there from the last time you were on your Start page because it remembered.

The Start Page used to be GREAT! The SideBar remembering exactly where you were, even if you had scrolled thru a few months of links in your Reading List, AND the rest of the new additions to the Start Page and the device syncing along with the background image sync.. Just good stuff. But now with the SideBar changes, Safari's seemingly forced to be made to be in compliance with Apple's own Human Interface Guidelines, and now the SideBar no longer remembers where it was when I used it last. And I don't want to keep it open all the time, either. It used to JUST stay open on the Start Page and then would go away after clicking on a link or navigating away, allowing you to utilize the rest of your screen space. Safari is still better for me than the others, though. I do use Edge for work...
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This drives me crazy as well. The previous Sidebar functionality was one of my favorite Safari features. But as you say, it loses its luster quickly when it resets for each new window.
 
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Is there a twitter link for the improvement quests?
if not
Safari on the iPad is getting worse every upgrade since ios15
yesterday the tabs were flickering and shut down.
My biggest pet peeve is after clearing data, i would launch the safari app just to have the iPad app crash.

Safari for MacBooks and Mac mini seems to be working well although.
 
Twitter was probably the wrong place to make this request.

Also, the Apple evangelist is mildly arrogant, even without a Blue Checkmark.
 
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Hey Stunning Sense,

can you articulate WHY they should do this, or is this like yelling "Tuesday is my favorite day of the week!"
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Chromium is the dominant web engine on the world wide web and websites are going to be designed/optimized for Chromium not Webkit. So browsers who do not use Chromium engine are going to have a sub par experiance since the websites are not designed for the alternative browsers web engines causing issues like pages not loading correctly.
 
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canadianreader said:
They had months of beta testing and feedbacks prior releasing the new Safari/iOS/macOS yet it's been buggy, issues with tabs, Webkit indexedDB, now Siri sharing private voice queries with Apple without the user's consent. It's not Safari becoming the new IE I'd say Apple becoming the new Microsoft.
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and yet, I have not experienced that. no buggy, tabs are fine, no webkit issues or indexedDB issues. OH, and a bug they fixed and not even in Safari.
 
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nothingtoseehere said:
I also like Safari. Problem is, IMO, that (too) many websites do not work properly with Safari. Obviously they are optimized for Chrome, and maybe for Firefox. No idea what Apple could do here but if they are not aware, the web moves away from Safari/WebKit.
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That's really simple - as a web developer, i've tried multiple times to develop on safari, but it's so painful that it impossible to comfortably develop on it, i always switched back to first firefox, then chrome. I think safari will become ie, firefox won at first because of - firebug which made devs life much better, chrome won over with even more superior dev tools, safari dev tools are sooooo bad it's a pain to develop, that's why websites work best with chrome, not because chrome is better.
 
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It may be me, but I think Safari is great. It's fast, protects privacy, and doesn't drain the battery and spy on you like Chrome.

(Just fix the bars on iOS. Apple needs better interface people.)
 
As a developer, I hate Safari. It really is the new IE. As a user... I don't like it much, but also don't use it.
 
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A lot of posts here seem to be missing the point, she's asking for feedback from developers regarding webkit missing features and bugs, not feedback from users regarding the Safari interface.

> Can you point to specific bugs & missing support that frustrate you, inhibit you *making websites/apps*
 
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antiprotest said:
If anyone on their team asks for feedback, they should do it with humility instead of that tone and then rebuking people for bringing up old stuff. Very off putting and increases the resentment.

In any case, one example is that they need to work with their cloud team and fix the cloud tabs sync issue once and for all. Yeah, that's bringing up old bugs that THEY STILL HAVE NOT FIXED.

Or are the people the real bugs?
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Wow, you said this perfect and much better than I could have. She just came off as really entitled.
 
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