Safari Team Asks for Feedback Amid Accusations That 'Safari Is the Worst, It's the New IE'

[canadianreader]

and yet, I have not experienced that. no buggy, tabs are fine, no webkit issues or indexedDB issues. OH, and a bug they fixed and not even in Safari.

Glad to hear that. The indexedDB was a privacy bug that affected everyone.

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[MBP2021]

What's Safari? Apple had a browser, but then they disabled uBlock Origin on it. So I don't think they have one now?

I think there are still adblockers that work? I use one on my iPhone. Use AdBlock Plus on desktop though (and don't use Safari) so not sure there.

 

[Stunning_Sense4712]

Both Safari and Webkit are good foundation Microsoft never had and never will.

Safari might have once been built upon a good foundation but the problem is Webkit lost the browser wars to Google’s open source Chromium engine. It is time for Apple to admit defeat and create a Chromium based Safari browser for their products. Web developers are only going to design websites that run good on Chromium not Webkit and other web browser engines.

 

[_Spinn_]

Chrome is the new IE. It has majority market share and Google abuses their market position to add experimental features before they have become a standard. So many times I encounter websites that block functionality because I'm not on Chrome (or a Chromium derivative) but spoofing my user agent lets everything work just fine. Many web devs don't bother to test on anything except Chrome.

 

[javanate]

Safari works a lot of the time, when it doesn’t I think it’s mostly the website.

Apple should realize, even if we want to, many of us can’t live in Apple only ecosystems our entire day. They should go cross platform, at least with the web browser.

Extensions, obviously. They can curate to their hearts content.

If they want something specific, look at how many web browsers Mac users have installed. Safari obviously doesn’t get the job done, and that alone makes it a partial failure. I don’t have 3 email clients installed, or 3 of anything really.

 

[macskiman]

There are only 2 things that bother me in Safari.

1. Tab switcher is difficult to handle with one hand, this is much better in Samsung phones and Samsung Internet Browser

2. The + button to open a new tab should be on the right side of the screen instead of left side.

Can't use just use "Customize Toolbar" in the "View" menu and put it on the right? Mine is on the right. Not sure if I put it there.

 

[iMerik]

What's Safari? Apple had a browser, but then they disabled uBlock Origin on it. So I don't think they have one now?

I know this isn't cheap by any means, but I purchased AdGuard Family Lifetime for $29.99 and have been very happy with its ad-blocking on iOS and Mac OS. It retails for way more, but I think I got it through a StackSocial deal. I won't post a link, but a quick Google tells me that deal is still available (and maybe always is).

 

[star-affinity]

They might have once been a good foundation but the problem is Webkit lost the browser wars to Google’s open source Chromium engine. It is time for Apple to admit defeat and create a Chromium based Safari browser for their products. Web developers are only going to design websites that run good on Chromium not Webkit and other web browser engines.

WebKit is open source too and I think web developers will consider the iOS/iPad OS user base which are quite a few people and devices.

 

[Stunning_Sense4712]

Chrome is the new IE. It has majority market share and Google abuses their market position to add experimental features before they have become a standard. So many times I encounter websites that block functionality because I'm not on Chrome (or a Chromium derivative) but spoofing my user agent lets everything work just fine. Many web devs don't bother to test on anything except Chrome.

Web developers are going to design the website to work on the most popular web engine which is Chromium. They are not going to create multiple websites just to make the minority of the users happy that are not using the most popular web engine. Chromium is open source and Apple should just move on to Chromium and kill off Webkit.

 

[Stunning_Sense4712]

WebKit is open source too and I think web developers will consider the iOS/iPad OS user base which are quite a few people and devices.

No they will not since Chrome OS and Microsoft Windows both use the Chromium web engine and their user base is a lot larger compared to Apple’s combined user base.

 

[mrochester]

Safari might have once been built upon a good foundation but the problem is Webkit lost the browser wars to Google’s open source Chromium engine. It is time for Apple to admit defeat and create a Chromium based Safari browser for their products. Web developers are only going to design websites that run good on Chromium not Webkit and other web browser engines.

**** web developers. Their website isn't worth visiting if they can't be bothered to do the decent thing and make it work on all browsers.

This is how you end up with a lack of competition in the market.

 

[TechRunner]

I've been trying to use the "resident" browsers depending on system, so I use Edge on Windows 11 and Safari on my M1 Mini. Edge works okay...now. It was a gigantic, bloated mess at first, and I had to tweak the daylights out of it to make it worth using. Not sure many people would bother. Safari has been okay, but exhibits some strange behavior with tabs at times, and wonks out on one or two websites. A minor gripe with Safari is its unwillingness to leave my bookmarks list open.

Overall, I'm not displeased enough with either one to change, now that I have them configured to work the way I want.

 

[nortonandreev]

Safari has limped to version 15. Chrome is on version 98. Firefox is on version 97. That speaks volumes. Safari is underdeveloped compared to its rivals.

Chrome and Firefox release every minor bug fix as a major new release, I hate this versioning and it makes zero sense to me! Safari introduces more changes in a single major release than what Chrome and Firefox is doing probably in 20 releases or smth. You can't conclude how developed something is, based on different versioning.

 

[canadianreader]

Safari might have once been built upon a good foundation but the problem is Webkit lost the browser wars to Google’s open source Chromium engine. It is time for Apple to admit defeat and create a Chromium based Safari browser for their products. Web developers are only going to design websites that run good on Chromium not Webkit and other web browser engines.

Rumor has it adblocker extensions such as uBlock Origin won't work on Chrome after June 2023

In June 2022, Google will stop accepting new private Manifest V2 extensions (those available via the link only). Developers will remain free to publish updates for existing Manifest V2 projects.
In January 2023, the Chrome Web Store will stop accepting updates for any Manifest V2-based extensions. Mainstream Chrome will also prevent users from running those extensions. The only exception is business customers. As of January 2023, Chrome deployments within organizations will have an enterprise policy to allow Manifest V2 extensions.
Finally, in June 2023, Google will remove Manifest V2 support for everyone, including enterprise customers.
Enforcing the Manifest V3 platform for all developers means abandoned extensions without proper support and maintenance will stop working in Google Chrome in 2023. Most likely, Google will remove those extensions from its Chrome Web Store.

 

[alphasports]

Apple and every IT person everywhere, forever: "Did you put in a ticket?"

User: **ROLLEYES**


As someone who uses that phrase several times a week, I do get what they're trying to do, but maybe they need to let some of the PR people at Apple handle the public facing side of this.

All the PR people will do is what Apple's been doing for years: ignoring the problems while telling everyone it's the greatest product line ever, a billions will buy every word of it so why bother actually improving all the ***** they put out?

 

[tgwaste]

Feel they're going to have issues with the second point. They're a multi-trillion dollar company, asking for unpaid help and then gate keeping on feedback isn't gonna happen anyway. Just ignore the problem if you know its been resolved, or offer incentives for those issues which are accurately reported and help them move forward.

Plus shes on her twitter insulting men specifically.

 

[maternidad]

The lady in that tweet looks she was casted out of Hollywood to be a web developer.

Jen Simmons is amazing . She used to work at Mozilla and made these incredible videos about web technology: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7TizprGknbDalbHplROtag

 

[Stunning_Sense4712]

**** web developers. Their website isn't worth visiting if they can't be bothered to do the decent thing and make it work on all browsers.

This is how you end up with a lack of competition in the market.

I am guessing you will not be doing any bussiness with any websites since they are all optimized for Chromium not Webkit. In addition I am glad that it is getting narrowed down to one open sourced web engine since it will create a better experience for users since web developers can not be creating multiple versions of the same website just to be compatible with every single web engine created.

 

[pajako]

Working in Google Worksheets works much smoother in Chrome than opening them in Safari. Seems a pretty recent bug.

 

[alphaswift]

I switched to Edge on Mac and Ipad a couple of years ago and haven't looked back.

 

[nortonandreev]

Apple should just kill webkit and move to Chromium like Microsoft did.

No, thanks.

 

[mrochester]

I am guessing you will not be doing any bussiness with any websites since they are all optimized for Chromium not Webkit. In addition I am glad that it is getting narrowed down to one open sourced web engine since it will create a better experience for users since web developers can not be creating multiple versions of the same website just to be compatible with every single web engine created.

But then there's no competition... Competition is good.

 

[tgwaste]

Every time a new version of macos comes out i try safari again for a few weeks but always end up going back to Chrome. Safari just isnt the same. It doesnt feel the same (especially with tabs). Its hard to explain. It feels fragile while chrome feels solid. Thats the best way I can explain it.

 

[troublador]

Chrome and Firefox release every minor bug fix as a major new release, I hate this versioning and it makes zero sense to me! Safari introduces more changes in a single major release than what Chrome and Firefox is doing probably in 20 releases or smth. You can't conclude how developed something is, based on different versioning.

Total rubbish. Apple has neglected Safari for ages. It took them years just to give us user-defined zoom levels per site. I know because I pestered them about it for years. The difference between version 15 and version 98 is a yawning gap.

 

[NT1440]

I am guessing you will not be doing any bussiness with any websites since they are all optimized for Chromium not Webkit. In addition I am glad that it is getting narrowed down to one open sourced web engine since it will create a better experience for users since web developers can not be creating multiple versions of the same website just to be compatible with every single web engine created.

Until Google throws their weight around, which of course they would never do on an open source project…