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You do know that NFC payments existed before Apple, right?

This whole mobile phone for payment idea was not Apple's.

Nobody said Apple did. However, it's so OBVIOUS that Samsung is only doing this because of Apple Pay. No Apple Pay = No Samsung Pay(or loop pay or whatever).
 
Would it kill Samsung (or any of the other android vendors) to come up with an original idea for once?

Why are they always trying to play catch-up?

Why not come up with something new?

You do realize I had an S3 three years ago and paid for things via NFC and Google Wallet. When did  get this capability? Oh yeah, 3 years later. Might want to check history before you make claims about who copies who.
 
Guess Blackberry needs to bring in revenue in alternative ways since they don't do it selling phones anymore. How the heck did this end up here
 
Thanks for the info from 6 months ago...

I'm now beginning to realize why a large number of people have stopped reading MacRumors and have moved on to other sites. The blind fanboyism here has reached truly epic proportions.

So much that now history is being re-written in real time.
 
DOA. It doesn't address any of the security concerns that are addressed by Apple Pay. On the contrary, it will likely help speed up fraud...now the thieves won't even have to clone the cards, they can just clone the magnetic information.
 
Nobody said Apple did. However, it's so OBVIOUS that Samsung is only doing this because of Apple Pay. No Apple Pay = No Samsung Pay(or loop pay or whatever).

And it's so obvious that Apple only released an iPhone 6+ in response to the Galaxy Note line.

What's your point?
 
Uhhhhh... Google and Samsung had cell-phone payments literally for years before Apple developed Apple Pay and added NFC to their phones...

Like, literally, years before Apple.

Like, Literally, NO one used it.

Or to put it more correctly. No one previously had come up with a method that the Banks, Shops and Users were actually happy with. Apple have.
 
True but still samsung didn't copy anything. The whole idea of secure tokens has been talked about long before apple pay.

Of course they copied. They skated along with Google Wallet for years until Apple stepped into the fray and basically took over the whole mobile payment space in a matter of months. Now they've bought a cobbled together "sort of" Apple Pay.

They'll rush it into a hardware upgrade in the near future, and it will never, ever be as smooth, secure or successful as Apple Pay.

There is a difference between:

  • "Talking about" something;
  • Half-a** implementing it, and;
  • Releasing a viable and easy to use ecosystem that non geeky people actually want to use
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In six months, go out onto the street, stop 20 people and ask them what they know about Apple Pay, then asked them what they know about LoopPay.

Apple didn't invent the MP3 player. They just revolutionized the industry and brought it to the masses by making it easy and pleasant to use. Apple didn't invent the smartphone. They just revolutionized the industry and brought it to the masses by making it easy and pleasant to use. Apple didn't invent the tablet. They just revolutionized the industry and brought it to the masses by making it easy and pleasant to use. And none of these things were just standalone pieces of tech. They were whole, well thought out ecosystems. See a trend here?
 
Samsung's approach has the advantage that it could also be used to play music over old car stereos without auxiliary ports. Just insert the phone into the cassette player.
 
No one "copied" NFC payments.

That'd be like saying someone copied Lasagna. It's a generic term for a variety of different implementations and features.

That being said, you are absolutely correct, Apple was not the first to offer an NFC payment solution. But they're damn sure the ones with the most popular and most disruptive solution.

more bias. when post #21 stated samsung copied, it's ok. when i mentioned "apple copied", people get all defensive.

i think my point is apple hasn't invented anything but a lot people make it out as they are the orginators. now samsung comes out with another method of making payments and we are here stating, "monkey see, monkey do; samsung copies", etc. when in fact apple does the exact same thing. biased.
 
more bias. when post #21 stated samsung copied, it's ok. when i mentioned "apple copied", people get all defensive.

i think my point is apple hasn't invented anything but a lot people make it out as they are the orginators. now samsung comes out with another method of making payments and we are here stating, "monkey see, monkey do; samsung copies", etc. when in fact apple does the exact same thing. biased.

Exactly.
 
"accelerates our vision to drive and lead innovation"

How could he say this with a straight face?
 
Like, Literally, NO one used it.

Or to put it more correctly. No one previously had come up with a method that the Banks, Shops and Users were actually happy with. Apple have.

That's not the point. Stick to what is the debate here. Who came out with what first? NFC payments have been used by other companies long b4 Apple.
 
You do realize I had an S3 three years ago and paid for things via NFC and Google Wallet. When did  get this capability? Oh yeah, 3 years later. Might want to check history before you make claims about who copies who.

Apple have done it right is all. And I am not just saying that to be loyal. No one has been happy with previous payment processes via NFC. Banks nor Merchants. Apple pay is by far and away the most secure payment method going, with fingerprint and pin and Anonymous Tokens. Google pay doesn't come close.

Chip and pin is a bit of a joke. I had my card lifted in a bar by someone that saw my pin number being entered... next thing I know £4000 had been taken or spent in less than 2 hours. Luckily bank paid up.

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That's not the point. Stick to what is the debate here. Who came out with what first? NFC payments have been used by other companies long b4 Apple.

I am not in a mass debate. I am making a comment. But yes it is the point. Google make a lot of things. people sometime rely on them... then they bin them. So it is completely the point that something like this is actually used and available.

But if you want to get pedantic. Samsung nor Google nor Apple had anything do with it. Japanese phones had NFC payments in the early 2000s. Scandinavia even had versions in the 90s.
 
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I really like Samsung's idea of innovation: watch what Apple does, follow, rinse and repeat.
 
Like, Literally, NO one used it.

Or to put it more correctly. No one previously had come up with a method that the Banks, Shops and Users were actually happy with. Apple have.

I used and still do use Google Wallet along with Apple Pay. So you're wrong.
 
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Wow, I love how blatant Apple is with that kind of thing when they knowingly copied Samsung's Galaxy Note line when coming up with the "idea" for the iPhone 6+.

On the other hand, sheep tend to be easy to convince with big banners with easy-to-read text, and Apple definitely knows it. It's part of their genius marketing.
 
Like, Literally, NO one used it.

Or to put it more correctly. No one previously had come up with a method that the Banks, Shops and Users were actually happy with. Apple have.

Actually they have, and have been using phones for payments for years in other countries.

I think in general the problem is, its an answer to a problem that's not really there.

People carry a wallet or a purse in general and they carry various plastic card, club cards, discount cards, credit and debit cards, a driving licence etc etc.

Simply, in the UK anyway, slipping in a card entering in a 4 digit pin takes seconds, it's easy, and there really is just not any desperate OMG Need for systems like this, they may shave a few seconds off at the checkout after you have been in the queue for a while after shopping for some time, but really it's no biggie.
 
It doesn't matter who copied who ... besides, imitation is the best flattery :D

But reading between the lines, wireless payments is becoming another splintered system with few common standards (i.e. multiple hardware and methods to support, from the merchant perspective). Imagine one common, highly secure wireless standard where the hardware and procedures are the same -- we'd all win.

I pity the check-out clerk having to manage the variety of payment processes as they evolve. But mostly I cringe at the thought of waiting in line while the "less-robust" methods are being fiddled by clerk/customer -- I just know that someday I'll be in a hurry to buy something and end up behind some f'tard delaying checkout while they fuss with their CurrentC, LoopPay, Apple Pay, MongoPay, iPay, uPay, WeAllPay ...
 
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