Samsung Ad Encourages iPhone Users to Switch to the Galaxy Note10 and 'Fall in Love' With Bokeh Video

[Dresling]

Can the same be said about all Apple ads about the bokeh in still pictures? Apple's implementation is even worse.

Dont think so. Samsung may be better at bokeh on stills... but not so much that it is a commonly known thing. People writing on techforums aren't exactly the average smartphone user. People are perfectly happy with good enough most of the time. Bokeh on video just seems over the top stupid imo.

 

[falainber]

An unfortunate side-effect for Samsung is that the moment you see the two phones side by side you immediately look to the iPhone as the better looking phone. I don't understand Samsung's and Google's constant need to show the competitors product in their own ads. I truly believe Apple loves these ads.

Really? I think it is universally recognized (even here on MR) that recent Samsung phone models look better than iPhones because of the huge notch and ugly camera bump.

 

[csurfr]

Not to mention support and upgrades. IPhone 6s is over 4 years old but is getting the latest iOS update, next week. Not a year or two later, but next week. The iPhone 5s is over 5 years old to date and still received access to the current 12.4.1. We can also just walk into a local apple store and receive full support.

For any android over a year old, it can take over a year after release of a new OS to receive the latest android. After 2 years, the software releases are next to non-existent for most devices.

Its been over a decade and Android manufacturers and weirdo fanboys just don't seem to get this simple concept.

You can use the OS Argument if you'd like, but a friend of mine has a 6S with a new battery (replaced under the program, so performance is at "peak"), and running iOS 12 the thing is a complete dog. The app switcher is slow, apps take a long time to open, and you can forget about more than one being open in memory for any given time.

Just because a company gives you a software update doesn't mean that it's going to be a meaningful update.

I would applaud Apple a lot more if the updates they pushed out didn't exponentially slow down the older devices.

 

[Dresling]

Really? I think it is universally recognized (even here on MR) that recent Samsung phone models look better than iPhones because of the huge notch and ugly camera bump.

Of course it's immature of me to just state than something is better looking when that kind of thing is subjective. Sorry. However I personally appreciate the clean lines of the iPhone. I think what I reacted to is the software design.. Apples camera app is very clean in the ad whereas the Note 10 has extra text and stuff.

 

[falainber]

Not to mention support and upgrades. IPhone 6s is over 4 years old but is getting the latest iOS update, next week. Not a year or two later, but next week. The iPhone 5s is over 5 years old to date and still received access to the current 12.4.1. We can also just walk into a local apple store and receive full support.

For any android over a year old, it can take over a year after release of a new OS to receive the latest android. After 2 years, the software releases are next to non-existent for most devices.

Its been over a decade and Android manufacturers and weirdo fanboys just don't seem to get this simple concept.

You have a valid point: Apple does have an advantage in this regard due to vertical integration. However, this advantage is not as big as you think. Google restructured Android to compensate for for this issue. Most of the functionality in Android now is not part of the core OS (as is the case with iOS). It's in various apps and services which are released via Play Store independently of OS releases. Because of that, even people with older versions of Android have the up to date versions for most features (GMail, Calendar etc).

 

[Dresling]

You can use the OS Argument if you'd like, but a friend of mine has a 6S with a new battery (replaced under the program, so performance is at "peak"), and running iOS 12 the thing is a complete dog. The app switcher is slow, apps take a long time to open, and you can forget about more than one being open in memory for any given time.

Just because a company gives you a software update doesn't mean that it's going to be a meaningful update.

I would applaud Apple a lot more if the updates they pushed out didn't exponentially slow down the older devices.

With respect... you can probably find a few such experiences and perhaps your friend's unit is defective. But generally this is not factual. My 2017 iPad which runs the same CPU (A9) as the iPhone 6s does not run like a "dog." Its still snappy and very usable. If it weren't I wouldn't use it. All the YT'ers I follow report that iPhone 5s runs iOS 12 and 13 very well, even faster than when it were released.

 

[Duel]

Just a gimmick not realy a very much needed in video, photos yes but videos not realy going to be used as much as one would use such an effect in photos, so more of a gimmick to sell their phone they are way better phones out there than Samsung and Apple and Samsung is today is more about gimmicks that they can sell were others like Apple is refining what we have and need more of

I heavily disagree, idea of bokeh videos is very good and that’s what you see Everyday on TV and films, the problem here is the implementation, it looks very amateurish and not professional at all. Maybe we one day see real video bokeh which looks very good and natural, but Samsung version is very far from that.

 

[aka777]

You have a valid point: Apple does have an advantage in this regard due to vertical integration. However, this advantage is not as big as you think. Google restructured Android to compensate for for this issue. Most of the functionality in Android now is not part of the core OS (as is the case with iOS). It's in various apps and services which are released via Play Store independently of OS releases. Because of that, even people with older versions of Android have the up to date versions for most features (GMail, Calendar etc).

yes, google apps are updated but the core OS, the very features and security are not being updated. It's up to the manufacturers and carrier to decide if they even want to release an update.

I have various android devices that only received one update and that's it. So for x years, they have not had a single security patch.

The only android I will buy now is direct from google. I don't care if Samsung puts in 6g, with 4d cameras. I want the latest software, not gimmicks that nobody even uses.

 

[Baymowe335]

" This means iPhone users are FAR more loyal because they can only use iPhones"

That's not loyalty. Also, you can say that Android users stay loyal to Android. Having multiple smartphone vendors is a big bonus.

Sure it is...they can switch to the many Android options and they refuse.

Having multiple vendors on a single platform and $49 phones available makes it obvious Android will dominate share.

Apple dominates industry profit.

 

[csurfr]

With respect... you can probably find a few such experiences and perhaps your friend's unit is defective. But generally this is not factual. My 2017 iPad which runs the same CPU (A9) as the iPhone 6s does not run like a "dog." Its still snappy and very usable. If it weren't I wouldn't use it. All the YT'ers I follow report that iPhone 5s runs iOS 12 and 13 very well, even faster than when it were released.

Considering that the phone was just at Apple and they run diagnostics on it prior to replacing the battery, I'd say it's fairly certain that there is nothing wrong with it. Thought of that myself.

 

[falainber]

I heavily disagree, idea of bokeh videos is very good and that’s what you see Everyday on TV and films, the problem here is the implementation, it looks very amateurish and not professional at all. Maybe we one day see real video bokeh which looks very good and natural, but Samsung version is very far from that.

Real bokeh is produced by the lens. This route is not available for smartphones. They rely on the computations. To be able to do proper processing the app should know the depth (distance) information for every pixel. ToF sensor helps in this regard.

 

[aka777]

You can use the OS Argument if you'd like, but a friend of mine has a 6S with a new battery (replaced under the program, so performance is at "peak"), and running iOS 12 the thing is a complete dog. The app switcher is slow, apps take a long time to open, and you can forget about more than one being open in memory for any given time.

Just because a company gives you a software update doesn't mean that it's going to be a meaningful update.

I would applaud Apple a lot more if the updates they pushed out didn't exponentially slow down the older devices.

I have the 6s+ as a backup phone and it was as smooth as butter following ios 12. It also receives all of the latest security updates released to date (Sept 2019). Soon to get the latest 2019 ios 13.0

Whereas, I have various samsung and android tablets and phones that are stuck on legacy, 4 to 5 year old, versions of android. No security updates for years. And if we want to talk about being slow, they run as slow as molasses.

Then you have the fact that their manufacturers stopped producing batteries soon after release. I can still buy a brand new official battery for a 6s from apple today.

2015 Iphone 6s+ is still on its original battery, with 68% capacity. Between the 8th aftermarket battery and stalled updates, I finally had enough with samsung.

Im not being a fanboy here, it's just my experience between samsung versus apple.

 

[v0lume4]

I still think the middle hole-punch was a mistake. I felt that the Note 9 was one of the most beautiful phones ever designed. Perfect symmetry, and almost no bezel.

Even the S10's look pretty good, and the hole punch in the corner was okay. However, I can't not see that big black hole at the top of the Note 10.

 

[I7guy]

Samsung clearly innovated here. Live focus is based on the use of 3D Depth Camera (Time of Flight sensor). Comparing this to Apple version is like comparing Face ID to 2D facial recognition.

We’re discussing the results not the method.
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This is exactly why I hate people talking about one company "copying" another. Almost everything is an evolution that is generally happening industry-wide. Rarely is there a "first". "Best" is almost always short-lived.

All you can do is made decisions based on what is available when you decide to make a purchase. If video bokeh is important to someone, they should take that into consideration when they buy their device. It doesn't make any company bad, good, or unoriginal.

Exactly, and I forgot the /s.

 

[MarkB786]

Well that might be the least compelling reason of all time to switch.

I love my Note 10, but not for Bokeh Video of all things. Samsung Marketing needs to go back to school.
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I still think the middle hole-punch was a mistake. I felt that the Note 9 was one of the most beautiful phones ever designed. Perfect symmetry, and almost no bezel.

Even the S10's look pretty good, and the hole punch in the corner was okay. However, I can't not see that big black hole at the top of the Note 10.

I was worried about that too at first, but turns out to be fine and minimally distracting; and, IMHO, much better than the huge gash that is theiPhone notch.

 

[Expos of 1969]

Boy, that is a pretty poor ad. Where will they be showing that? It is too short, the text is small and not easily read and the effect on the tree lights certainly does not motivate me to buy the phone to be able to use this "feature"

 

[Cavepainter]

“Oooh I need that!” Said very few people ever?

Yeah, why would anybody need control over depth of field in their photography. Are you kidding?

I dunno about how well it is done here, but it is welcome news that Samsung and Apple are both at least trying to do it.

 

[Khedron]

If you've been using Apple products for a while, you're using their ecosystem. Switching from iMessage if you've used it for a long time isn't a simple process, if you've bought songs, apps, those don't transfer.

It's not punishment, the same goes the other way if you leave Google Play and the investments you've made there (if any)

Platform-specific apps is one thing but Apple locking out its Watch accessory or HomePod accessory to people using iPhone only is arbitrary punishment, and something they will be forced to change for in the near future just like Microsoft was back when it abused the Windows platform

 

[Blaze4G]

An unfortunate side-effect for Samsung is that the moment you see the two phones side by side you immediately look to the iPhone as the better looking phone. I don't understand Samsung's and Google's constant need to show the competitors product in their own ads. I truly believe Apple loves these ads.

Imo iPhone looks very dated.

 

[Cavepainter]

Can't help but notice, its funny that they chose two different clips for the two different camera videos- obviously the girl's expressions are more appealing on the right. The one on the left she is just standing there with the same expression the whole time. Yet both cameras are supposed to be looking at the same scene. Weird. Very poorly done commercial.

 

[Khedron]

They sell $49 phones...who cares? Apple would lead too if they sold a phone that cheap. Apple has sold 215M smartphones in 12 months at an ASP of $760 each. They have done $166B in iPhone revenue alone in 12 months.

iPhone crushes the Samsung flagship line in sales.

Which iPhone? Lumping them all together? Got numbers for iPhone Pro Max vs Note 10+ ?
[doublepost=1568401482][/doublepost]Apple's bokeh is so broken it can't even get enough working images to fill a website advert and puts up this garbage:

https://www.apple.com/iphone-11/

 

[neutralguy]

"Fall in love with slow bloatware"

And a Facebook app you can't uninstall

Facebook.. a company that became a half a trillion dollar company in 7 years.. by doing just one app Don't underestimate the power of it.

 

[coolfactor]

It's a strange feature to single out and tell people to switch an entire OS/ecosystem/accounts for.

It's a quick knock on the difference between a Galaxy and a competitor's phone. It's not about the feature itself, but the difference in features. It's supposed to send the message "Samsung is better". But it fails.

 

[falainber]

We’re discussing the results not the method.

And? The result is that Samsung phone has boken in video and iPhones don't. Is that a bad result for Samsung? One may question the quality of the bokeh but the same is true for still pictures and Apple made countless adds about their bokeh/shallow DOF (portrait mode).

 

[trnjackie23]

Meh. Currently using a Note9 right now after switching from iPhone X because I wanted something new. I dislike Samsung's camera software because they like to use the airbrush filtering effect, and it's really apparent and annoying when I take photos of animals. Going back to iPhone this year with the 11 Pro Max. Can't wait.