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I was reading about Mona Simpson (Steve's younger sister and novelist) about two weeks ago. I was curious about his relationship with her. I've read that they became very close when he found out about her, but when Mona wrote a book inspired from his brother's personality, Steve became outraged and the two became distant afterwards.

But do you really think when Steve was in his deathbed, he was going to say, "Hey Sis, I still hate you for that book you wrote that was basically about me!" I highly doubt that because with someone is ready to die, everything becomes water under the bridge.

Samsung and Google still succeed when iPhone succeeds. Google didn't need Android to succeed to become one of the richest companies ever. Google was already big just a few years ago. Remember, Google acquired a small startup company called Android, Inc back in 2005, two years BEFORE iOS was introduced. And Samsung's semiconductor business is blooming. They make the A4 and A5 chip somewhere in Austin, Texas. Apple will continue going to them for the components.


http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2011/10/133_96008.html

Apple and Samsung have been involved in a heavy legal battle over patent infringement claims this year.

Apple is known to have dropped Samsung in favor of Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) for the next version of its custom design mobile processors used in its popular i-branded products.

But Samsung insiders and industry officials expect the switch will be ``short-lived’’ because Samsung has a proven roadmap in chip-making technologies and a reliable output commitment.

Samsung Austin Semiconductor (SAS) in Texas, tasked to handle mobile application processors (APs) for Apple, has an annual production capacity of 65,000 sheets, the latest Gartner report showed.

``Samsung is better positioned to clearly commit production volumes at reasonable prices because it has proven chip-making technologies. It is very unlikely for Apple to switch client basis suddenly, just because of patent diputes,’’ said another Samsung executive familiar with the matter.

``The Apple-Samsung fight is a totally different matter. We are reliable and trustable chip supplier to Apple. Apple knows that,’’ the executive added.

The so-called ``A6 mobile AP’’ will be used in advanced iPhones and iPads, which Apple plans to introduce next year. Analysts believe that Samsung already makes its predecessor, the A5, in Austin.

``Apple will stick with Samsung and its Austin factory to make A5 mobile chips rather than opt for rival supplier TSMC. Because TSMC's manufacturing process hasn’t gelled, the risk of going with it is too high,’’ said Ashok Kumar of Rodman & Renshaw in a note to clients.

``No other foundry can match Samsung’s capacity commitment, process road map and pricing,’’ Kumar claimed.


Steve Park, a senior Apple representative, declined to comment, as did Samsung Electronics spokesman Ken Noh.

Samsung plans to spend 4 trillion won for non-memories that include the foundry business and mobile APs, while 6.3 trillion won has been set aside for its traditionally-strong memory chip business, Samsung said.

Apple is going to buy over 8 trillion won or $7 billion worth of computer memory chips this year from its South Korean frenemy, enough to rank as Samsung’s biggest overseas client by the end of 2011.

As well as mobile APs, Apple buys large quantities of memory chips from Samsung for almost all its i-products

Jobs, Samsung Electronics had 30-year love-hate relationship

Apple and Samsung Electronics might be waging a patent war against each other around the world, but have had a long-standing relationship of cooperation and competition over the past 30 years.

The CEOs of the two companies have had close ties with each other. The late Samsung Group founder Lee Byung-chull, his son and successor Lee Kun-hee, and grandson and Samsung Electronics CEO Lee Jae-yong often spoke to the late Apple co-founder Steve Jobs to exchange advice or hold negotiations.

Jobs met Samsung`s owning family for the first time in November 1983 at the founder’s office in Seoul. At the time, Samsung Electronics decided to expand its semiconductor business after much consideration and began building a chip plant in Yongin, Gyeonggi Province, through a huge investment.

Lee Byung-chull, who was in his 70s at the time, sat face-to-face with the then 28-year-old Jobs. The young American entrepreneur confidently explained the specifications of Apple’s personal computer Macintosh, which was slated for release soon.

Lee Byung-chull is known to have told Samsung executives who joined the meeting, “Jobs is the figure who can stand against IBM.”

The founder advised Jobs to “confirm if his business is beneficial to humanity, value talent, and emphasize co-existence with other companies.”

In 1985, Jobs was thrown out of Apple, the company he co-founded, due to the failure of the Macintosh. Lee Byung-chull’s discerning eye for the talented Jobs was infallible, however.

Jobs returned to Apple in 1997 and grew into a corporate icon who rivaled IBM as Lee Byung-chull predicted by introducing electronic devices that captured the souls of consumers.

With Apple emerging as one of Samsung Electronics’ major parts suppliers, Samsung Group Chairman Lee Kun-hee is said to have met Jobs several times, but no details of their meetings have been disclosed.

Jobs had many things in common with Lee Kun-hee. Both of them sought talented people with near genius ability and were hooked on cultural content such as movies.

Samsung Electronics CEO Lee Jae-yong, however, saw Jobs more frequently than his grandfather and father did. Lee Jae-yong saw Jobs once or twice a year to cooperate with Apple by visiting its headquarters and participating in international IT expos and CEO conferences.

Before Apple’s revolutionary iPhone made its debut, Jobs reportedly explained the smartphone to Lee Jae-yong by disassembling it.

Jobs, who held a briefing on the primitive version of Apple’s PC for the late Samsung founder, explained his company’s smartphone to the latter’s grandson 30 years later.

While Jobs was maintaining personal ties with three generations of the Samsung owning family, Apple has emerged as Samsung’s largest client. Industry sources forecast that Apple will overtake Sony as Samsung’s largest customer by purchasing 7.8 billion dollars worth of electronics parts produced by Samsung. Sony is expected to buy 6 billion dollars worth of Samsung parts.

With Apple suing Samsung for patent infringement in April, however, the long-standing cooperation between the two companies is on the verge of collapse.

When Apple released its iPad 2 in March, Jobs called Samsung a “copycat.”

In response, Lee Kun-hee expressed regret over Jobs` comment on April 21, when he appeared at his office for the first time since a criminal investigation into the illegal handover of the company’s managerial right to Lee Jae-yong.

“People tend to hit a protruding nail,” Lee Kun-hee said. “Technology can be given by a leader or received by a follower.”

So how will Jobs` death influence the patent war between the two companies? A Samsung source said no change will be made and Samsung will make no comment on the matter until after his funeral.

After Jobs died, Samsung Electronics Vice Chairman Choi Gee-sung offered his condolences. “We express our deepest condolences to Steve Jobs, whom we respected. Jobs was a gifted entrepreneur who presented a way forward and led innovation for the global IT industry.”
 
What Steve did was capitalize of the prevailing notion in our society of materialism, quantity over quality, and greed. He did it very well though.

Some may argue that by popularizing the mp3, Apple lead to the degradation and zealous mass consumption of music. No longer does one buy an album and listen to it while reading the sleeve. What we do now is pirate, not 1 album to enjoy for a few months, but multiple albums that we just half-listen to then throw away onto a hard drive. And who wants 13 high-fidelity lossless songs when one can have 130 lower quality ones. We used to wait 3-5 years between hardware purchases. Now, we can't even wait for 5 days to have our beloved iPhones shipped to us. Then, we will sit by ourselves using it day and night, while we ignore our families around us.

So, I don't know if Apple's intentions were so pure. I don't know if it is human nature that has lead us to lead our iLives or whether Apple prayed upon our very human weaknesses.

It is a greedy materialistic society, not necessarily a bad thing, nothing wrong with ambition and wanting to get ahead in life but Apple have fuelled that greedy materialistic society by providing products that give an incredible user experience and are simple to use so they deserve every penny they make as they make incredible products.
 
:D:D:D:D:D

You're joking, no? You don't really are saying that I was wrong because it was never sold and now saying that I'm wrong because it was sold.

Ps. Still waiting those Nokia lawsuits, do you have any news about them?

You need to wake up mate.

I said Samsung never sold the "fat" version which they planned to sell, but didn't because THE VICE PRESIDENT OF SAMSUNG himself saw the iPad 2 and said what they had couldn't compete.

"after the iPad 2 release, some specifications were described as "inadequate" by Lee Don-Joo,[48] executive vice president of Samsung's mobile division, pointing to a possible model review or rethink of their market strategy.
This would lead to the introduction of a new, slimmer model"

Samsung did sell this redesigned version, but only after a long delay.

The fat version had been ordered by, BRANDED, locked and sold by **Vodafone** as a Vodafone tablet in some countries, it was NOT sold by Samsung.

Understand now?

Remind me which Nokia lawsuits are you talking about, I've seen dozens of others in the meantime.
 
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Oh, I agree there. And Apple putting out a phone that had news articles saying how disappointing it was (even though I personally think it was perfectly expected and a perfectly fine phone and I'd upgrade to it if I could justify it from my 4 even) would have really helped them with that timing too (announce the phone after people are disappointed with the competition? That would so kill it!).

As morbid as it sounds/is, Jobs dieing in a way probably helped Apple here by either delaying their announcement or if they didn't delay it, overshadowing it.

This thing was gonna sell like crazy anyway. I went into my local Sprint store the day of the announcement (for a reason unrelated to the iPhone) and they had three employees, each on the phone, adding names to a list of people wanting to be in line for the preorder.

This is a relatively small city, with a Sprint store nobody ever goes to, forced to take pre-preorders because of the number of calls. The phones were ringing off the hook about it (and I asked them to add me to the list).

Apple events and releases are worldwide news. Google events and releases only make waves among a small portion of the tech community.

Did Steve's passing maybe help sales? There's no way to know, but you can't rule it out. Were sales ever going to be low? I'd stake my life they weren't.
 
Not long after Steve's funeral the media will be all about record iPhone sales and then all the publicity of Steve's book so the media obsession with Steve won't die down for a few weeks yet

Which is the *real* reason for the Samsung/Google display. Anyone who believes otherwise is naive.
 
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Downvote this all you want. But those thinking that google and sanding are delaying because of how great the 4s is are being silly. Because the fact is. While the 4s is a GREAT phone - it was not considered by many a EXCITiNG. It will sell millions. And it might even be the best phone in the market subjectively. But it did little to create actual excitement.

Some of the competitors phones will probaly create more excitement regardless of whether you love them or not.
 
What Steve did was capitalize of the prevailing notion in our society of materialism, quantity over quality, and greed. He did it very well though.

Actually, quite the opposite. Apple's mantra has never been about quantity over quality, otherwise we'd have seen Macs piled high and sold cheap like the PC clones. Apple is about driving upward to a quality product, not downward to the lowest common denominator. You're right of course that in a capitalist, consumerist, market, they are about making money, but then if they didn't make money they'd be out of business and their workers would be on the streets. Capitalism is like that, and whether we like it or not, that's the nature of the society in which we live - and which Apple didn't create.

Some may argue that by popularizing the mp3, Apple lead to the degradation and zealous mass consumption of music.

So, broadening access to music is a bad thing? So, let's see, making books accessible to the masses would be too?

What we do now is pirate

What we did before Apple 'popularised the mp3' was pirate. Through Napster and others there was widespread theft of music. All Apple did was provide a convenient and legal way to obtain the music people wanted, and a device for them to play it on. And in providing these things, it made it possible for consumers to pick and choose, and to listen to what they wanted and not what they otherwise didn't. That's obviously a terribly bad thing for some reason.

And who wants 13 high-fidelity lossless songs when one can have 130 lower quality ones.

In a free market, the consumer gets to pick. And in this case the consumer can elect to buy and download, or, for the best available quality, take a walk into their nearest music store, or sit at home on the internet, and buy the CD. I would guess that because not everyone has a blistering HiFi sound system, the download with a moderately poorer sound quality is plenty good enough.

We used to wait 3-5 years between hardware purchases. Now, we can't even wait for 5 days to have our beloved iPhones shipped to us.

So, I don't know if Apple's intentions were so pure. I don't know if it is human nature that has lead us to lead our iLives or whether Apple prayed upon our very human weaknesses.

I don't see anyone putting a gun to your head, or anyone else's, to buy the 'latest, greatest' new thing just because it's out there. Yet I do see a lot of people demanding that companies such as Apple continually update products. If the demand wasn't there, these things wouldn't be produced.

I do think we need to take responsibility for our own behaviour, even though it;s easier to point the finger elsewhere for the things we don't get right in our own lives.
 
No longer does one buy an album and listen to it while reading the sleeve. What we do now is pirate, not 1 album to enjoy for a few months, but multiple albums that we just half-listen to then throw away onto a hard drive. And who wants 13 high-fidelity lossless songs when one can have 130 lower quality ones.

It's astounding how people forget that in the early 60s, the period that spawned all modern music, the 45rpm 7" single was the preferred and dominant format, not the album. And I'm not even mentioning the 12" singles of the late 70s and early 80s.
 
What's even nicer is that Apple maintained their launch schedule of the iPhone. I've got to believe that's what Steve would have wanted!

Well, that and they also had to realize that they needed to get it out before he died or they would need to delay it indeterminately. It would have been quite tacky on Apples part if they launched the new iPhone right after Steve passed. Actually, the way it went down was a brilliant and extremely lucky marketing move. It's almost like Steve's death helped launch the new iPhone because all eyes have been on Apple ever since Wednesday. But once Steve's death was announced, the product launch window closed and the mourning period began.
 
You need to wake up mate.

I said Samsung never sold the "fat" version which they planned to sell

Was it sold or not?

And no, it wasn't branded by Vodafone.


Ps. Don't you remember an essential patents lawsuit between Nokia and Apple that would make pay more all Android manufacturers?
 
Samsung and Google still succeed when iPhone succeeds. Google didn't need Android to succeed to become one of the richest companies ever. Google was already big just a few years ago. Remember, Google acquired a small startup company called Android, Inc back in 2005, two years BEFORE iOS was introduced.

First of all, it depends on how you define "richest". If you mean by gross revenue, Google isn't even in the top 100 companies. By most definitions, in fact, they aren't in the top 100.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/18/global-2000-10_The-Global-2000_Prof.html

Also, please keep in mind that when Google acquired a small startup called Android, two years before the release of iOS, Android had been working on a clone of BlackBerry software. After the release of iOS, Android suddenly changed into the iOS clone it is today. And let's not act like, just because iOS was released in 2007, Apple was not designing and testing it for many years beforehand.
 
Bottom line is the Nexus Prime beats the pants off the 4S in specs and we know the average Joe/Sally buy on specs! :D:D
 
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Downvote this all you want. But those thinking that google and sanding are delaying because of how great the 4s is are being silly. Because the fact is. While the 4s is a GREAT phone - it was not considered by many a EXCITiNG. It will sell millions. And it might even be the best phone in the market subjectively. But it did little to create actual excitement.

Some of the competitors phones will probaly create more excitement regardless of whether you love them or not.

You're kidding, right?

Every Apple release and announcement is a media circus. Any Google or Samsung announcement only gets Fandroids and tech nerds to beat off while the media and the vast majority of the world shrugs and gives a collective "meh".
 
Also, please keep in mind that when Google acquired a small startup called Android, two years before the release of iOS, Android had been working on a clone of BlackBerry software. After the release of iOS, Android suddenly changed into the iOS clone it is today. And let's not act like, just because iOS was released in 2007, Apple was not designing and testing it for many years beforehand.

iOS clone? Blackberry clone? Jurl
 
If I weren't super excited about Nokia+WP7 I'd go out and get a 4S right now. Bottom line is it's not just about the specs. It's about:

* beautiful fluid UI
* stable OS
* beautiful handset with rounded corners
* Retina Display - the best smartphone display ever created
* full retail experience with Apple Stores
* in-person tech support at Genius Bar
* 500K apps
* iCloud & Music Match

that's a hell of a compelling story!
 
You're kidding, right?

Every Apple release and announcement is a media circus. Any Google or Samsung announcement only gets Fandroids and tech nerds to beat off while the media and the vast majority of the world shrugs and gives a collective "meh".

Maybe some, but not "any" (implying all).

The release of ICS and Nexus prime is being watched by pretty much the entire tech world....even if you're not.
 
Bottom line is the Nexus Prime beats the pants off the 4S in specs and we know the average Joe/Sally buy on specs! :D:D

They do? I bet the average Joe/Sally couldn't tell you what "dual core" means. They don't care. They just care that a thing works, and works well, when you use it. And that's where Apple is king: the end-user experience. They don't care about bullet points and numbers on a box, they care about ease of use and access and how it looks and feels in a user's hands.

Besides, Apple phones have been behind or equal in the numbers game for a couple of years now, yet they have the two (soon to be three) top selling phones, one of which (the 3GS) is two years old and extremely underpowered compared to newer phones. How do you explain that?
 
Which is the *real* reason for the Samsung/Google display. Anyone who believes otherwise is naive.

IMHO, I don't think anyone really knows the real reason why Google & Samsung are delaying except for the CEOs, VPs, and other execs at the 2 companies.

Sure, there are a lot of naive people in the world who believe everyone does stuff for the betterment of everyone, but there's also a lot of cynical people out there who believe that people are only in it for themselves. It's not black & white people. There's many shades of gray & other colors out there!
 
Well, that and they also had to realize that they needed to get it out before he died or they would need to delay it indeterminately. It would have been quite tacky on Apples part if they launched the new iPhone right after Steve passed. Actually, the way it went down was a brilliant and extremely lucky marketing move. It's almost like Steve's death helped launch the new iPhone because all eyes have been on Apple ever since Wednesday. But once Steve's death was announced, the product launch window closed and the mourning period began.

Steve was likely in a coma and close to death when Tim/Phil/Scott/Eddie were making their presentation, it must have been incredibly hard for them knowing the man that hired them was at home in his final hours, true professionals all 4 of them
 
I just disagree

What Steve did was capitalize of the prevailing notion in our society of materialism, quantity over quality, and greed. He did it very well though.

Some may argue that by popularizing the mp3, Apple lead to the degradation and zealous mass consumption of music. No longer does one buy an album and listen to it while reading the sleeve. What we do now is pirate, not 1 album to enjoy for a few months, but multiple albums that we just half-listen to then throw away onto a hard drive. And who wants 13 high-fidelity lossless songs when one can have 130 lower quality ones. We used to wait 3-5 years between hardware purchases. Now, we can't even wait for 5 days to have our beloved iPhones shipped to us. Then, we will sit by ourselves using it day and night, while we ignore our families around us.

So, I don't know if Apple's intentions were so pure. I don't know if it is human nature that has lead us to lead our iLives or whether Apple prayed upon our very human weaknesses.

Steve Jobs was instrumental in saving the music industry. What used to be napster, kazaa dominating the industry now you have Amazon, iTunes etc. out there helping generate money for music and even playing as a channel for indy artist. We all know that people do pirate but the major change came from buffet style purchasing. Something the cable companies still don't understand. So, to your point, people don't want an entire album. I rarely do. I just want the things I want to pay for and that's all. Steve helped deliver that and that is where everything is going.
 
Maybe some, but not "any" (implying all).

The release of ICS and Nexus prime is being watched by pretty much the entire tech world....even if you're not.

Again, the tech world. That's a very very very very small portion of the world at large. And there's a portion of the tech world that doesn't care either. So basically, Google and Samsung have a captive audience with a percentage of a group that makes up a minute percentage of the world as a whole.

Their announcements will matter when they become one of the top stories of national news outlets like Apple's announcements are.
 
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