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The Sun newspaper for me in its editorial summed it up for me "Half the world has his products and the other half craves them"


It is a shame Steve is not a catholic if he was he would be a prime case for beatification.

Actually, a more accurate quote would be "Half the world wants or craves Apple products and the other half has barely enough food to eat."

While Steve Jobs was a hugely influential person, I think a little perspective is in order.
 
The problem debating technology with you is that you are not capable of understanding technological arguments.

I'm in IT. I can understand technology quite fine thank you. Otherwise, I'd be pretty piss poor at my job. :rolleyes:

Actually, that's worse. There are many aspects of "better", one of which is being able to use the device. When the screen is too large, it falls out of convenient reach of your fingers, making it more difficult to use.

4.65" vs 3.5" isn't quite as big a jump as you make it seem (as far as fingers are concerned). The phone is barely 1 cm wider and 1.5 cm taller. Check both spec sheets on GSM Arena.

Further, beyond 300 dpi, increased pixel resolution provides no benefit because you cannot perceive it. Maybe making the screen larger drops the ppi down below 300, but that doesn't make it better, it makes it worse, and if it doesn't drop it below 300, then there's no advantage to higher resolution.

The PPI (not dpi) is above 300 and below the iPhone 4's 326. It's in the middle actually. So what's your point here ? Are you also blasting Apple ?

And yes, there's an added advantage of 1280x720 over 960x640. Watching 720p video at full resolution with no downscaling (not to mention the added real-estate on the screen).



Ok, this is a flat out lie. This tactic is from the days when everybody was using the same Intel chips. Then you could compare CPU models. But Apple makes their own CPUS, Apple doesn't reveal what's in them, and they are fairly proprietary.

Both the A5 and Exynos share a use of ARM's Cortex A9 design and benchmarks can be run on both to show which is faster (yes, platform independant benchmarks).

So, where's the voice-recognition engine in your androids CPU? Facial recognition CPU? Which standard tests have you submitted it to? And how do you compare it to the one in the iPhone 4s's A5? That would be pretty difficult since the 4S isn't shipping now, wouldn't it?

You can compare it to the faster A5 in the iPad 2 however. That even gives an edge to the A5 in the tests.


This is the kind of stuff that makes it obvious you're an automaton, an android. The reason Apple doesn't use OLED technology is the terrible performance outdoors, you know, where people spend a lot of their time. You're fronting an inferior technology as if it is better than other inferior technologies and completely ignoring that Apple is using the superior (but more expensive) technology.

You need to read up on SAMOLED+. It's not standard OLED.

Another lie, given that Android doesn't provide a unified storage system like iOS does. Thus, the expansion of android devices is pretty pointless since Apps can't' use that space.

Apps have been able to be stored on SD Cards since Android 2.2. Before that however, Apps could store data on SD Cards (even if the App itself needed to use internal storage).

So where did I lie ? Not to mention I made no statement as far as support was in Android (even though it's there), I made a mention of a phone spec. The phones provide an SD card slot for expansion of storage.



Which means less battery time. Oh, and you forgot to add: higher wattage components, less reliable software, designed with a focus on BS specs over usability, all of which add up to terrible battery performance, necessitating constantly replacing your battery.... and this is exacerbated by using a removable battery, which means a big chunk of the internal space goes to supporting this removable battery, meaning the battery itself is smaller.

Your opinion. If I want to use my battery life, I like the option of being able to. Listening to some of you, it seems you'd rather have Apple ship you a bricked device that doesn't boot, that way it has the best battery life there is! (infinity. Can't use battery if you can't turn on the device).


This is how I know you're speaking from ignorance and have never used an iPhone.

Wait, now you're telling me what phone I don't own ? Sorry, been using an iPhone 3GS since September 2009. I have it right here next to me.

I'm done. Obviously, this debate is going to be endless and one-sided, filled with insults towards me. I'd rather just ignore your posts.
 
Now thats iRespect..

Will miss you Steve jobs but you will never be forgotten...You showed us the future..

Every apple products that comes out will still have your finger prints on it..you legacy lives on... Rip...
 
Marketing, I say...

I'm sure there's individuals at Google and Samsung that are personally touched by these events but as professionals there is one simple explanation to this, no matter what the official version may be:

If you launch a new product you want to grab the tech headlines, right now the headlines are already occupied, so you're better off waiting until things settle down.

Say what you want but I have no doubt this is what's behind all of it, any other company would do the same. It's not disrespectful and I'm sure they all mean well and show their respects in their own, personal way, this strategic decision, however, is based on a marketing decision only.
 
I hate to belittle the possibility of these companies doing something "nice" but to me it all sounds like, "this is a great excuse for delaying our release while we work like crazy to "catch-up" or put together a better product to actually compete with Apple's new phone. All the while making ourselves look good."

This is not respect - it's politics and PR.

Nexus Prime was already better spec'd than the iPhone 4S with the 1280x720 super AMOLED display, memory, processor, battery life, and the Google Experience that previous Nexus phones have had. They were never delaying due to the iPhone 4S release, they really did have a better product ready.

So yes, this is Respect.
 
The Sun newspaper for me in its editorial summed it up for me "Half the world has his products and the other half craves them"

Steve revolutionised film, he revolutionised music, he revolutionised computing, he revolutionised the way we listen to music, the way we browse the net, Steve literally touched all of our lives in the case of many people without them even realising it, hardly anyone I have spoken to this last couple of days knew that Steve was the man behind Toy Story and cars, hardly anyone I know knew that we would all be entering command prompts today but for Steve, hardly anyone knew that the internet was created on one of Steve's computers.

It is a shame Steve is not a catholic if he was he would be a prime case for beatification.

You seriously quote the Sun?! A renowned source of scrupulous journalism to be sure.

Let's see.... why not take a trip through much of China, Africa, Russia, South America, Northern Canada,.... populations of billions who have subsistence existences in harsh climates where there technology is measured in shovels and wood to burn. These people don't have anywhere to plug in an iPad or a MacBook. Third-world populations don't benefit from the kind of technological development Apple are responsible for because they can't afford it and can't integrate it.

What Steve revolutionised are things that matter to an internet-connected developed world that has the opportunity to benefit from it. Nobody else is in a position to take advantage of his achievements.

By all means worship Steve Jobs if you wish to - he's more worthy of it than many - but don't ignore the limits beyond which he could not reach.
 
The man just died. Its not like he died 2 weeks ago. No matter what they did it for whether strategy for business or respect, in the end it allows people to focus attention on the most important thing... respect for the fact that Steve is gone. Everyone respected Steve no matter what. For crying out loud Steve's dead and people here are muddling his death by trying to downplay peoples act of respect. If Apple did this I am sure you'd say how classy it was of them. Regardless, this is a classy move.

No amount of delay is going to change the fact that Steve is dead. A delay isn't going to change this. Now, I would believe Google delaying a launch out of respect (because Google and Apple are closely related - frenemies), but the CEO OF Samsung, a Korean company, has little to do with Steve Jobs (besides being sued by him). It's not like the CEO of Sammy was putzing around their parent's garage as teenagers or was having leisurely coffee with Jobs. In fact, I bet you Choi Gee-Sung's memories of Steve jobs are very likely to be unpleasant ones.
 
No it doesn't. The 4S kicks the SII in graphics perf and the camera is much better (wider aperture, better optics)

The GPU of the Samsung Galaxy S II is about 4 times faster than the iPhone 4 in GLbenchmark.

I haven't seen the iPhone 4 gs in benchmarks.
 
First, Samsung's GPU is an ARM Mali-400 MP
While the iPhone 4S sports a PowerVR SGX543MP2 GPU =)

A rant, not based on your post:

I'm so SICK and TIRED of all this "oh Samsung Galaxy S II has BETTER SPECS"
Do you not get it? Better specs doesn't mean ANYTHING. It is the user interface and simplicity that matters.

This is a classic scenario, and can be compared to how Nintendo DS Lite OWNED the Playstation Portable in terms of sales number.
DS was inferior in tech that PSP, but won that handheld generation gaming by a huge margin.

So please stop saying "oh specs wise this phone is better"
Yeah you guys win, so what?

What GSII/Android right now cannot beat is the integration of SOFTWARE, for example, iOS's iCloud feature is huge, and it seamlessly integrates every i-devices I currently own... iPad, and iPhone.

Next, you may have Google's personal assistant (whatever it's called), like Siri, but no one will implement this feature better than how Apple did it.

This is the SAME as having a video camera on the front. Apple wasn't the first. My 2007 Nokia N97 had a front facing camera long ago, but Apple was the one who pushed this feature out. Trust me. Android phones as powerful as GSII may have the LEAD in specs.... but it will never beat iPhone in terms of overall usability.

You guys can stick with an all out tech savy phone
I'll order a nice iPhone 4S and enjoy the deep software integration...

Do agree with Many points But isnt the software a subjective thing.

I mean I use mostly google products right now and im pretty happy with it. It may be because the only part of the apple ecosystem I currently use is itunes (no one is better) and just feed that to google music and zune but im okay with that.
 
I believe there are a lot of high schoolers on this forum. Not everything in life is a conspiracy. They would have never scheduled an announcement in the first place if the device needed more time to get

Except Samsung already delayed their tablet once, in order to better match the iPad 2 specs. It's hardly the first time they delay a release.
 
respect

In some ways I would like to believe that Steve was just waiting for the iPhone announcement...There have been situations where people wait until the last possible moment to "let go."

This article does show the respect that both companies have for Steve. It's not the tech world that has always shown "hate" towards Apple Inc. and Steve Jobs. It's the consumer who hardly know much of the matter that make the competition into a game.
 
Wow. Taking your wisdom from The Sun?lol.

I doubt the people of Inner Mongolia know or care who Steve Jobs and Apple are. I doubt the tribes of Venezuela know or care what an iPad is or even want one. The world is far more vast than you apparently imagine :)

The Sun is obviously referring to the first world, someone in Sudan or Nigeria or Ethiopia or Haiti or poor parts of India and China will never have heard of Apple or Steve Jobs, they are far more concerned about getting food, not getting malaria and having clean water but in the west, the far east, australasia, Europe etc you would have to have lived on the moon not to know who Apple or Steve Jobs are.
 
We'll see.... if the specs are correct, then it will blow the 4S !! Sorry, but I am right ;)
And **** up lil boy!!

One thing people are overlooking when comparing specs is the actual download speeds of the 4G LTE networks compared to those of the (AT&T) hspa+ network. I have not conducted tests to verify the results (someone will sooner or later), but AT&T claims that the actual download speeds of their hspa+ network are equal to or better than the presently deployed 4G LTE download speeds of their competitors.

[Edit] P.S. On the other hand, it does appear that the Verison iPhone 4S may be able to do voice and data simultaneously now that there are separate antennas.
 
This was a good business decision. While a small part of the decision might have been out of respect I think the even larger motivator was the fact that with Steve Jobs passing away sympathy and peoples feelings are going to be with apple next week. This is not the time you want to be showing off your new "iPhone Killer" phone. I think they thought realeasing the phone next week would negativley impact the phones sales and that's why they delayed. IMO.
 
The GPU of the Samsung Galaxy S II is about 4 times faster than the iPhone 4 in GLbenchmark.

I haven't seen the iPhone 4 gs in benchmarks.

Look at the iPad 2 benchmarks, it has the same CPU+GPU as the 4S.
 
Except Samsung already delayed their tablet once, in order to better match the iPad 2 specs. It's hardly the first time they delay a release.

No, they didn't delayed it, they released the original 10.1 and then released the 10.1 Slim.

It's hardly the first time you're wrong
 
They aren't doing this out of respect. They're doing it out of potential embarrassment from the anti-Apple advertising that was going to come out with it.

Don't believe a word either company tells you.
 
One thing people are overlooking when comparing specs is the actual download speeds of the 4G LTE networks compared to those of the (AT&T) hspa+ network. I have not conducted tests to verify the results (someone will sooner or later), but AT&T claims that the actual download speeds of their hspa+ network are equal to or better than the presently deployed 4G LTE download speeds of their competitors.

[Edit] P.S. On the other hand, it does appear that the Verison iPhone 4S may be able to do voice and data simultaneously now that there are separate antennas.

Nexus Prime will have a HSDPA+ version
 
No it doesn't. The 4S kicks the SII in graphics perf and the camera is much better (wider aperture, better optics)

The 4S' camera is barely catching up to the Xperia Arc though. Not a surprise, since they got the hardware for it from Sony, who makes the Xperia line-up.

Guys, I'm getting an iPhone 4S, but even I realise it's not some kind of new benchmark to beat. It's a decent device that matches (or comes close to matching) what the competition has been shipping in the last few months.

Notice how they compared it to the Atrix in the keynote when they were talking about finally catching up to 3G speeds. The Atrix dates back to February :

http://obamapacman.com/wp-content/u...s-Motorola-Atrix-LG-Thrill-HTC-Inspire-4G.jpg

Funny how that slides ignores all the LTE devices that have been shipping for a while...
 
Look at the iPad 2 benchmarks, it has the same CPU+GPU as the 4S.

The GPU of the iPad 2 is about 2 times faster than the Galaxy S 2, but I rather wait for a benchmark first. The iPad 2 is larger thus can get rid of heat better than a smaller phone. So there could be a difference between the iPad 2 and the iPhone 4 gs in benchmarks due to heat.

But if it has the same CPU / GPU as the iPad 2, then it's probably faster.
 
I believe there are a lot of high schoolers on this forum. Not everything in life is a conspiracy. They would have never scheduled an announcement in the first place if the device needed more time to get ready.

It's human nature to pick sides and fight for your side, but come on. We're talking about cell phones here. I think a few people getting so angry over this need to find a hobby or take medication or something. I can guarantee you real stakeholders (higher ups in Apple / those close to SJ) don't give a crap one way or another when they announce their product. Why do you?

Might be just a cell phone to you but it's a multi million dollar business to them. Don't be naive
 
While this is a classy move by samsung and google, it is not a business smart move. I was waiting to see what the new nexus offered and when it would be available but now since it is not going to be announced, the iphone 4s will be out first without any knowledge of the nexus, therefore I will be getting the iphone 4s as well as a lot of others who may be considering the new nexus.
 
You know, I think it might have been due to respect.

But I'll be cynical and think it has to do with marketing too. And I doubt because there was something nasty like some people say.

I think it's cause it makes good common sense when it comes to marketing. Right now there is a huge amount of people focusing on Steve's death. I think his funeral is supposed to be next week, the week they would do the announcement.

If they do the announcement at the same time, while I don't honestly think it would be disrespectful, they will get overshadowed by people more focusing on Steve. On top of that, people are very sentimental right now towards Steve so releasing a competitive product when people right now are viewing stuff associated with Steve in a sentimental light will make their product shine less (you already have people saying they want to buy the 4S as a tribute to Steve). Why would you want to announce a product at a time that it will more likely be ignored or even having people looking at the competitive product more favorably? Wait until people have calmed down and can see your product in a less biased light (or the competitive product in a less biased light).

On top of that, they will get massive amounts of good PR by saying they are doing this out of respect for Steve (regardless if that is their true motivations or not. As cynical as I am I will admit it did make them look better in my eyes even if I do think that there is at least some marketing reasons behind delaying the announcement).
 
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