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Samsung and Xiaomi Plan to Ship Upcoming Smartphones Without Charger After Mocking Apple Over Same Move

farewelwilliams said:
And how do you know Apple wouldn't have cut features had they included the charger? Apple could have kept the same amount of RAM in the Pros instead of increasing it and saved the ProRAW feature for next year's phone.
Or they could have cut the doubling of storage and kept 64GB for the pros.
Or they could have cut iPhone 12 mini from launch to save on capex from introducing another model of the iPhone.

If margins are too low, Apple will have to cut back on other areas of the product which means a worse product for consumers. Charging brick was the obvious first pick to remove.
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Margins too low? I bet those chargers they used to include cost 50 cents U.S. to make.
 
HiVolt said:
Samsung and most Androids at least have been using USB-C for several generations now. So chances are if you are an android phone users you have USB-C chargers.

Apple told everyone to use their old chargers, which most people have USB-A versions, and they provided a USB-C cable in the box. LOL.
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Some cheaper Android models only include USB-A charger as well. So they did away with it by using USB-C on the phone itself, but USB-A for the brick.

So not all Android users own a USB-C brick.
 
Psychicbob said:
Once one company cottons on to a cost saving measure (forget about the environmental argument) the others follow suit quickly. No matter how hypocritical they come across.
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why forget about the argument? Is it because it doesn’t suit your narrative?
 
farewelwilliams said:
No.

Example:
I run a restaurant. I include a spoon that cost me $0.20 every time someone orders soup. My analytics data is telling me barely anyone uses the included spoon because they prefer their own spoon they already have. The data is also telling you some customers are just poking a hole into the lid of the container to drink directly from it.

I look at the available options and it turns out this spoon company created a new lid that has a hole built into it that costs $0.20 extra.

Because barely anyone uses the included spoon, because this new lid is what some consumers want, and because the spoon and the premium lid cost me the same, I make the switch. I didn't save any money. I just reallocated resources and gave a better product to the consumer. Had I cut the spoon and pocketed the $0.20, I would have saved money.

You're operating the assumption (what if) that Apple built iPhone 12 and realized it's too expensive that they have to cut features out to save money when instead, it's entirely possible they swapped out the brick for the magnet array.
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An interesting hypothetical, just as there can be all kinds of other hypotheticals in all kinds of directions. It doesn't change anything that has been brought without any hypotheticals, that taking the phone as is and not including a power adapter with it provides savings over taking it as is and including a power adapter with it.
 
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C DM said:
An interesting hypothetical, just as there can be all kinds of other hypotheticals in all kinds of directions. It doesn't change anything that has been brought without any hypotheticals, that taking the phone as is and not including a charger with it provides savings over taking it as is and including the charger with it.
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see? you're doing it again. "taking the phone as is and not including a charger with it provides savings over taking it as is and including the charger with it. " is the hypothetical. you need that hypothetical scenario to conclude that Apple is saving money. you are quite literally doing a "what if" to make your case.
 
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Without Apple Samsung would still making Kimchee.
Samsung OS is a Curse worse than Death. Slow Updates
Takes the Cake. Samsung is a Overrated Plastic Phone.
Korea Quality Control is taking a Dump.
 
Again, isn't this something we already knew? I'm pretty sure there was post a while back.

Can we stop with all the stupid memes. It is getting out of hand.
 
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farewelwilliams said:
see? you're doing it again. "taking the phone as is and not including a charger with it provides savings" is the hypothetical. you need that hypothetical scenario to conclude that Apple is saving money. you are quite literally doing a "what if" to make your case.
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If taking reality as it is is a hypothetical ... seems like that pretty much speaks for itself.
 
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C DM said:
If taking reality as it is is a hypothetical ... seems like that pretty much speaks for itself.
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"taking it as is and including the charger with it." is not reality. what iPhone 12 did you buy that came with a charger?
 
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This is funny. We will see the cheaper phones coming with a more complete accessories. Having said that, Xiaomi has ditched bundling ear buds in their handsets for a while.

As for Samsung, to give them some credit, they have been shipping fast chargers with their phones for a while, and they even ship USB-C chargers with their higher mid range models. This is in contrast with Apple who only shipped a USB-C fast charger just last year with the 11 Pro, and then pulled the plug and ship only lightning to USB-C cable. The nudge for customers to buy the separately sold charger is too obvious.
 
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ian87w said:
This is funny. We will see the cheaper phones coming with a more complete accessories. Having said that, Xiaomi has ditched bundling ear buds in their handsets for a while.

As for Samsung, to give them some credit, they have been shipping fast chargers with their phones for a while, and they even ship USB-C chargers with their higher mid range models. This is in contrast with Apple who only shipped a USB-C fast charger just last year with the 11 Pro, and then pulled the plug and ship only lightning to USB-C cable. The nudge for customers to buy the separately sold charger is too obvious.
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So Samsung gets a pass because in the past they shipped fast chargers with their phones?
 
NoSoup4U said:
Thing is, we knew it'd happen. And yet Samsung did their usual mocking ads.

So I have to wonder: is Samsung that self-unaware? Is their market research really that far behind? Or — even though everybody knows they'll follow Apple with their next release — do they get a minor boost from the chattering of the anti-Apple crowd?

Like you say: it's utterly predictable. So why does it still happen?
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It’s all a marketing ploy. At the time, that type of marketing would garner them more immediate sales.
 
Hastings101 said:
Apple has a lot of great products and makes a lot of great decisions, but then they do things like removal of the headphone jack, The Notch, and now no more included chargers which really suck. And there's no escaping it because they're the status symbol market leader so everyone will follow suit.

At least this one has a chance for a law suit because most phones that catch on fire are due to sketchy third party chargers, which will conveniently be all over the place when the manufacturers don't include one for free.
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oh boy, the headphone jack argument. give it up. most consumers don't need one.

Hastings101 said:
At least this one has a chance for a law suit because most phones that catch on fire are due to sketchy third party chargers, which will conveniently be all over the place when the manufacturers don't include one for free.
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should there be a lawsuit so that Apple will be forced to supply a surge protector with every device too?

a bit stupid to suggest that it's Apple's fault for consumers buying a poorly made charger.
 
ian87w said:
As for Samsung, to give them some credit, they have been shipping fast chargers with their phones for a while, and they even ship USB-C chargers with their higher mid range models. This is in contrast with Apple who only shipped a USB-C fast charger just last year with the 11 Pro, and then pulled the plug and ship only lightning to USB-C cable. The nudge for customers to buy the separately sold charger is too obvious.
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Pretty sure if Apple cut full software support from 5 years to 2 years, Apple could easily include 3 fast chargers with every iPhone for the past 5 years.
 
sw1tcher said:
Every manufacturer who follows Apple's lead by leaving out the charger are doing so because they realize the cost savings and additional sales potential.
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I'm waiting for one of these manufacturers to show us some "courage" by including one. I mean, despite arguments and protests to the contrary a charger isn't necessary. We know that. It's a quality of life thing.

Courage here, instead, would just be to acknowledge that. "Hey, you told us an in-box charger is important to -you-. So we're just always going to respect that."
 
Apple should make an add for every time they created something or did something new only for it to be poorly copied by someone else.
 
cupcakes2000 said:
It’s hilarious. I’m betting by now, after nearly 30 minutes, the similar Apple announcement thread had at least 300 replies by folk claiming Apple is penny pinching blah blah. This one is strangely silent so far.
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Well, of course, I mean - it's not like Samsung and Xiaomi (google, one+, etc) have a choice ... they are just poweless quivering molds of Jell-o. They can only do what Apple wills them to do. So it's not like you can blame them for dropping the in-box charger.
 
cupcakes2000 said:
It’s hilarious. I’m betting by now, after nearly 30 minutes, the similar Apple announcement thread had at least 300 replies by folk claiming Apple is penny pinching blah blah. This one is strangely silent so far.
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Perhaps multiple long existing discussions about it all might factor into it all? Just perhaps.
 
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MowgliWolf said:
I wish Apple was a bit more into pranks, a ‘let’s see what stupid things we can get the competition to’ sort of vibe.
Obviously just in the spirit of a good natured rib as opposed to something malicious
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If Apple were to prank-develop an i-Toilet-Paper, the next generation of TPs, and then leaked it to the press (or to MacRumors), then Samsung and Xiaomi would rush and spend billions developing one right away, and then rush it to production and claim that they "invented" the i-Toilet-Paper first. This is hilariously predictable
 
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