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Samsung today announced the launch of its latest flagship mobile processor that's expected to power the firm's upcoming Galaxy S9 series devices. Called the Exynos 9810, the 9 series CPU is built on a second-generation 10-nanometer (nm) FinFET process and, apart from being faster and more energy efficient, includes advanced AI and deep learning capabilities that will power a new breed of facial recognition features in the smartphones.

The Exynos 9810 has a neural engine that can recognize people and objects in photos at very high speed, and will enable apps to use realistic face-tracking filters, according to Samsung - perhaps in a manner akin to Animojis which use the TrueDepth camera found in Apple's iPhone X.

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Armed with the Exynos 9810, which has a separate secure processing unit for handling sensitive personal and biometric data, the new Samsung phones will also be capable of scanning and creating a 3D image of a user's face. The obvious suggestion here is that the Galaxy S9 range will have a facial authentication system similar to Face ID in the iPhone X.

Last year's S8 also had facial recognition capabilities, but it was limited to 2D tracking, making it less secure than Face ID and easy to fool. Despite the jump to 3D scanning though, it doesn't look like Samsung will be relying on facial recognition as the sole authentication method in its 2018 smartphones.

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CAD leaks and rumors suggest the S9 will retain the rear-mounted fingerprint sensor, now located underneath a new-dual camera setup instead of being positioned alongside a single lens, as it was on the S8. The change of location is presumably to make accidentally smudging the lens with fingerprints less likely, but as expected, Samsung will not be building fingerprint recognition into the OLED display. Otherwise, the general design of the Galaxy S9 looks largely similar to the S8.

For over a year leading up to the iPhone X, rumors ran rampant about Touch ID being placed under the display, or on the back or side of the device, but Apple has said those reports are untrue. In perhaps the biggest signal of its confidence in the security of its authentication method, rumors suggest Apple will remove Touch ID on all iPhones launched in 2018 in favor of Face ID.

When it comes to facial recognition, Apple's TrueDepth camera is said to have given Cupertino a solid technological lead throughout 2018, and perhaps beyond. Indeed, Samsung and other Android competitors could require up to two and a half years to replicate the functionality and user experience of the TrueDepth Camera in Apple's iPhone X, according to KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo.

As with previous years, Samsung's new Galaxy Sx series of phones are expected to debut at the annual Mobile World Congress in February.

Article Link: Samsung Announces Exynos Chip for Galaxy S9 Series With iPhone X-Like Features
 
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JaySoul

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I've got an S8.

- IRIS scanning works well (I'd like to see your average criminal try to spoof it)
- For me? Fingerprint sensor is fine with a case on (big hands) but they do need to relocate it
- Facial scanning is awesome at home (not secure outside)

I love having different options and don't think they'll get under-screen FPS anytime soon (not at this scale).

As for Exynos, it's a great chipset. But Samsung is slowly starting to slip behind in terms of photography and AI.

Pixel is best smartphone camera around, and they haven't even activated the Visual Core chip! Google Assistant is fantastic vs Bixby, although they are different propositions.

Still, Samsung makes one of the best all-rounders and everyone I know who got an S8 loves it. The S9 should refine it.
 

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Not for nothing, but Samsung has the technology and people to produce their own chips. They're one of the major chip makers of the world, so its no surprise regarding the quick turn around.

Of course the number of features they copied from apple seems over the top this time around
 

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I've got an S8.

- IRIS scanning works well (I'd like to see your average criminal try to spoof it)
- For me? Fingerprint sensor is fine with a case on (big hands) but they do need to relocate it
- Facial scanning is awesome at home (not secure outside)

I love having different options and don't think they'll get under-screen FPS anytime soon (not at this scale).

As for Exynos, it's a great chipset. But Samsung is slowly starting to slip behind in terms of photography and AI.

Pixel is best smartphone camera around, and they haven't even activated the Visual Core chip! Google Assistant is fantastic vs Bixby, although they are different propositions.

Still, Samsung makes one of the best all-rounders and everyone I know who got an S8 loves it. The S9 should refine it.

Pixel Visual Core chip does NOT improve image quality on main camera app. It is ONLY for 3rd party app.
 
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Which features are you referencing?

Yeh, me too... I'm seeing 3D facial tracking which has two uses on the iPhone - unlocking and animojis. That's "over the top"? Was Apple "over the top" with the X picking up things Samsung was already doing? I'm guessing the opinion will be "no" here.
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Define the word "well".

"well" - in a good or satisfactory way.
 

kdarling

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Well... that was quick!

Everyone’s been working on this. It’s one of those things whose time had come.

Heck, last year before the X came out, Qualcomm had announced image processors for 3D / face analysis.

..., and possible the anamojis

The latter was article speculation, not anything said by Samsung.

“perhaps in a manner akin to Animojis“ - MacRumors

Wait until if/when they actually do it, then you can say they copied :)
 

HacKage

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Realistic face tracking filters and Animojis being put in the same sentence. I actually think you're being serious as well...
 

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I hear 120fps 4k will be a feature too.
I hope it's not hobbled to match the Qualcomm models again...
Animojis, are they really a useful thing for adults? I see the appeal for children and teens but adults? Surely the got to be a better implementation of that technology?
 
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It’s interesting how I think Apple has all these cool unique features and hardware, but the competition can do the same thing...

I guess it really just comes down to Apple’s user interface, ecosystem and just overall ease of use / prettiness. Which is totallllyyy fine for me and working extremely well.

Just interesting to me.
 

JaySoul

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Pixel Visual Core chip does NOT improve image quality on main camera app. It is ONLY for 3rd party app.

Yeah, I know.

At the moment. Give it a while. It's a differentiator, Google will expand its usage, surely.
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Define the word "well".

It's scans my irises with at least 95% accuracy in the light or dark.
 

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But will performance be in line with the A11 Bionic or the A9X? Apple's advancements in chip performance has me upgrading more than features I don't use like Animoji (when I had my iPhone X) or AR. The fact that the iPhone 8 Plus had the A11 Bionic is why I comfortable went back to it after I got the X. The increased performance of my phone and the apps I use is the biggest reason I upgrade each year.
 

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But will performance be in line with the A11 Bionic or the A9X? Apple's advancements in chip performance has me upgrading more than features I don't use like Animoji (when I had my iPhone X) or AR. The fact that the iPhone 8 Plus had the A11 Bionic is why I comfortable went back to it after I got the X. The increased performance of my phone and the apps I use is the biggest reason I upgrade each year.

What increased performance are you talking about? There are plenty of head to head "real world" tests that show in day to day operations that the iPhone 8/X is about the same as a Note 8. The only tests where Apple's CPU is noticeably better is in a narrow set of use cases, specifically video editing/rendering. A lot of users will likely never do that type of work on a phone, and so raw CPU speed doesn't equate to a different user experience.

And just my speculation, but I suspect that this whole battery-gate thing is maybe tied to these CPU designs that become unstable as the battery ages.
 

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Facial scanning, and possible the anamojis
Uh Flynn... of the two, which do you think was really over the top? Samsung "copying" or your declaration of "number of features they copied from apple seems over the top"? :D I mean, I'll give you 3D scanning, but when the number of features turns out to be one... o_O
 

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Uh Flynn... of the two, which do you think was really over the top? Samsung "copying" or your declaration of "number of features they copied from apple seems over the top"? :D I mean, I'll give you 3D scanning, but when the number of features turns out to be one... o_O

And the X "copied" more features from others than one!

Copying others is pretty much the way competition works. Look at any product sold... take cars for example. If a car maker introduces a new feature, it gives them an advantage for one model year usually. Then everyone else rolls out their version of it. No company is going to stick their head in the sand and ignore features that their competitors are adding.
 
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The Exynos 9810 has a neural engine that can recognize people and objects in photos at very high speed, and will enable apps to use realistic face-tracking filters, according to Samsung - perhaps in a manner akin to Animojis which use the TrueDepth camera found in Apple's iPhone X.

Oh God...no. Is anyone really clamoring to have that capability on Android (at least anyone over 12)?
 

HacKage

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And the X "copied" more features from others than one!

Copying others is pretty much the way competition works. Look at any product sold... take cars for example. If a car maker introduces a new feature, it gives them an advantage for one model year usually. Then everyone else rolls out their version of it. No company is going to stick their head in the sand and ignore features that their competitors are adding.
Exactly. It's getting a bit boring now of who copied what. Apple have over the years "copied" a large number of the features used in iPhones from other manufacturers. Back when the OG Galaxy was a blatant copy of the iPhone UI, yes, I accept that, but nowadays everybody takes bits and bobs from elsewhere. Get over it, it's all very petty this tit for tat "they copied this" talk.
 
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