Samsung Announces Exynos Chip for Galaxy S9 Series With iPhone X-Like Features

[Analog Kid]

Not for nothing, but Samsung has the technology and people to produce their own chips. They're one of the major chip makers of the world, so its no surprise regarding the quick turn around.

Of course the number of features they copied from apple seems over the top this time around

The design pipeline on chips like is this probably a few years. Despite the article's implications, there's no way Samsung looked at the iPhone X and said "we should do the same thing in a couple months-- start a chip!".

This is the reason Apple tries to keep a lid on new R&D, but is mostly just an indication that the industry is all arriving at the same conclusions regarding machine learning. Nvidia barely talks about graphics performance anymore at their conferences, it's wall to wall deep learning. For Apple and Samsung who are building low power mobile devices, it's not surprising that they'd embed some custom logic for the same purpose.

 

[DNichter]

Not surprising, Samsung follows. It's rushed so it won't be nearly as good was Apple's implementation, but I am sure it will be just good enough for those on the Android platform, although I am not sure why they would want it. Fingerprint on the back and picture unlock seems to be preferred. More security equals less weather widgets. Not good for anyone.

 

[convergent]

Not surprising, Samsung follows. It's rushed so it won't be nearly as good was Apple's implementation, but I am sure it will be just good enough for those on the Android platform, although I am not sure why they would want it. Fingerprint on the back and picture unlock seems to be preferred. More security equals less weather widgets. Not good for anyone.

How exactly does Samsung "follow" any more than Apple or any other company? Samsung had OLED, curved screens, minimal bezels, water proofing, and wireless charging for a very long time prior to Apple "followed". They have other things like S-Pen, removable media, and split screen that Apple still hasn't "followed". There is a natural progress of an industry as I mentioned before. Look at car makers... they each come out with new features, and the next model year are replicated by their competitors. Would you really like to live in a world where every company only got to implement the things they thought of first? As long as they aren't stealing each others internal designs, this is competition. Its only Apple that tries to patent silly things like curved rectangles.

Samsung's iris unlocking is as secure as FaceID, so selecting their facial unlock for comparison is kind of silly. Samsung gives you choices. I like that. I also like being able for my phone to stay unlocked by things like location, or being connected to my watch.

 

[omihek]

I'm not ready to let go of the idea that Apple was going to have Touch ID embedded beneath the screen. There's one new feature they have that would have worked just perfectly with that. It's the one where you just have to touch your screen and it wakes up. I wonder if they started building that feature thinking that you could just touch your screen and not only would it wake up but it would unlock the device as well. After realizing Touch ID under the screen wasn't realistic yet, they went all in on Face ID and are pretending Touch ID under the screen was never even a thought. Just my suspicions.

 

[Thai]

We aren't talking about speed difference between two iPhone versions. The comment was made that Apple's CPU is way faster than Samsungs. My response was that there have been plenty of speed comparisons between Apple and Samsung's current flagship phones that show for most functions the speed difference is not there in day to day use. The only place its visible is video editing/rendering.



I have never used a phone to do video editing. Other than something completely trivial, I don't know anyone that does this. I do video work on a larger device, and likely always will. Congratulations... you edited a video on a plane after vacation. Whatever makes you happy. I use my smartphone for work and play... so productivity features I benefit from every day (like split screen, S-Pen, larger display, etc.) rank higher than something I might do a couple times a year. I travel with my Surface Pro, and can simply pop the MicroSD card from my phone into the Surface Pro... on a plane... and edit with a real computer.

For day to day activity, the huge speed advantage of Apple's CPUs doesn't translate into quicker actions. Especially when Apple is throttling the speed down because of design issues related to aging batteries.

Because my view is different than yours, I have no idea what I'm talking about? Really. That's quite an opinion you have of yourself there.



FaceID is not taking the "best of IRIS", it doesn't do iris at all. The only way you can fake iris is by getting close hi res images of someones iris, and also a contact lens that matches the dimensions of their eye. You can fake FaceID with a relative. You are way more likely to come in contact with a relative on a day to day basis.

Having multiple modes of unlock is always going to be better (to me) than only one. Use cases vary throughout the day.

Iris is more secure...possibly. But for normal use, it is hard to use and finicky. In other words, not worth it.

That’s the point of FaceID...it is seamless and fast enough and easy to use...yet far more secure than Android face recognition.

As for FaceID failing relatives, don’t believe everything that you read. Remember, FaceID trains itself...so, one can easily “hack” FaceID with a close relative by entering in passcode over and over again.

Identical twins is where FaceID will fail...but we knew that already.

As for multiple modes to unlock...great! But none of them are ideal! Fingerprint on note 8 is in a dumbass location...to be fixed apparently on S9. Face recog is insecure. Iris is hard to use. Trusted device is insecure as hell! Etc.

 

[DNichter]

How exactly does Samsung "follow" any more than Apple or any other company? Samsung had OLED, curved screens, minimal bezels, water proofing, and wireless charging for a very long time prior to Apple "followed". They have other things like S-Pen, removable media, and split screen that Apple still hasn't "followed". There is a natural progress of an industry as I mentioned before. Look at car makers... they each come out with new features, and the next model year are replicated by their competitors. Would you really like to live in a world where every company only got to implement the things they thought of first? As long as they aren't stealing each others internal designs, this is competition. Its only Apple that tries to patent silly things like curved rectangles.

Samsung's iris unlocking is as secure as FaceID, so selecting their facial unlock for comparison is kind of silly. Samsung gives you choices. I like that. I also like being able for my phone to stay unlocked by things like location, or being connected to my watch.

How? The article we are discussing. Glad you like your set up! Options are great.

 

[44267547]

At least they're not copying the "slow down" feature when your battery is low

Does this make sense to you? Why would Samsung copy something that nobody knew about to begin with up until a few weeks ago?
And even if Samsung did know about it, they wouldn't copy Apples throttling method clearly.

 

[Iconoclysm]

lol Sounds just like Apple's plan:

-Make fun of larger or smaller screens, etc that other devices feature.
-Blatantly copy those features later when Apple sales need a boost.
-Hope that customers don't realize their old devices have been sabotaged by OS updates.

I would add that last year it was widely predicted that it was a mistake for Apple fans to make fun of Samsung's battery problems, as the resulting karma would be a b***. Well, guess what just showed up at Apple's front door?

Who says the universe doesn't have a sense of humor?

Make fun of larger screens? You mean commenting at a keynote? Smaller screens? Never happened.
The size of the screen is a feature? Get outta here.
Apple is not having battery problems, they're also not experiencing defective products. They're not banned on airplanes, they're not going to burn your house down while you sleep. In fact, there's virtually no relation between these two things. Apple's old batteries are on par with everyone else's, and they tried to prolong their life but did not communicate it well enough.

 

[kdarling]

Make fun of larger screens? You mean commenting at a keynote?

You mean Jobs mocking phablets as being too big to hold? Yes, he made fun of them. That's undeniable.

Not to mention that during a quarterly earnings call Tim Cook stated, "We've put a lot of thinking into screen size and we think we've picked the right one," when asked if Apple intended to make a larger screened phone than 4".

Smaller screens? Never happened.

lol Are you kidding?

Steve Jobs Criticizes 7-Inch Tablets, Says 10-Inches Minimum

Steve Jobs said, "(A smaller display than 10") is useless unless you include sandpaper so users can sand their fingers down to a quarter of their size."

Of course, after Jobs died, Cook wasted little time bringing out a larger phone and the iPad mini. He knew Samsung and others had the right idea.

 

[jasonklee]

Only thing more sad than Samsung in this thread are the forum members going after obvious soft targets.

 

[convergent]

Iris is more secure...possibly. But for normal use, it is hard to use and finicky. In other words, not worth it.

That’s the point of FaceID...it is seamless and fast enough and easy to use...yet far more secure than Android face recognition.

As for FaceID failing relatives, don’t believe everything that you read. Remember, FaceID trains itself...so, one can easily “hack” FaceID with a close relative by entering in passcode over and over again.

Identical twins is where FaceID will fail...but we knew that already.

As for multiple modes to unlock...great! But none of them are ideal! Fingerprint on note 8 is in a dumbass location...to be fixed apparently on S9. Face recog is insecure. Iris is hard to use. Trusted device is insecure as hell! Etc.

The fact that FaceID "trains itself" to me makes it less secure. But just my opinion.

My experience with the Note 8... I don't find iris hard to use or finicky. It works in daylight or in the dark, whether I have my glasses on or not. Its not 100%, but given I easily stick my finger on the FPS when I pick up the phone, one of the two of them unlocks within a split second most of the time. Is the FPS ideally placed, no. Is it a "dumb ass location", no. Its no better or worse than placing it at the bottom front of a plus sized iPhone. Ever tried to unlock one of those with one hand? My finger pretty naturally lands on it on the back, but I have big hands. Ideal for me would be to have two FPS on the back, that are midway and near the sides.

Trusted device has its place. I spend much of my day in my home office. When I'm there, I have no issue with my phone staying unlocked because no one is there but me. The same applies to when I'm in my car. Its like anything else... you have to use your brain and apply it correctly. The reality is that my phone stays unlocked when I want it to, and then conveniently locks when I go elsewhere.

 

[JonGarrett]

Well... that was quick!

At least it doesn't take them years like it took Apple to get Galaxy features.
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Not for nothing, but Samsung has the technology and people to produce their own chips. They're one of the major chip makers of the world, so its no surprise regarding the quick turn around.

Of course the number of features they copied from apple seems over the top this time around

So there iPhone with AMOLED display, wireless charging, BT 5, HDR, dust and water resistance, and literally dozens of software features are all just by chance or over the top copying by Apple?

 

[Thai]

The fact that FaceID "trains itself" to me makes it less secure. But just my opinion.

My experience with the Note 8... I don't find iris hard to use or finicky. It works in daylight or in the dark, whether I have my glasses on or not. Its not 100%, but given I easily stick my finger on the FPS when I pick up the phone, one of the two of them unlocks within a split second most of the time. Is the FPS ideally placed, no. Is it a "dumb ass location", no. Its no better or worse than placing it at the bottom front of a plus sized iPhone. Ever tried to unlock one of those with one hand? My finger pretty naturally lands on it on the back, but I have big hands. Ideal for me would be to have two FPS on the back, that are midway and near the sides.

Trusted device has its place. I spend much of my day in my home office. When I'm there, I have no issue with my phone staying unlocked because no one is there but me. The same applies to when I'm in my car. Its like anything else... you have to use your brain and apply it correctly. The reality is that my phone stays unlocked when I want it to, and then conveniently locks when I go elsewhere.

Yeah i can see Android OEMs just rushing to copy S8/Note 8 fingerprint scanner placement!!! There’s a long line to copy that dumbass decision i am sure based on your experience!

Iris scanner is finicky. No need to sugar coat it. It requires active concentration for proper placement and distance. Does it work with contacts? (Honest question)

Trusted device/location is not secure. Not sure what else i can say about that.

FaceID only trains itself IF you know the passcode. So, if my (non-identical twin) brother or close relative does not know passcode, then there is not a chance in hell they can get in.

 

[Klyster]

Useful? No. Fun to use? Yes.

Surely there's got to be a better implementation of that technology?

 

[kdarling]

Surely there's got to be a better implementation of that technology?

I think there will be.

I think Apple simply likes to include a demo of new tech that the common person can use and understand. Which is A Good Thing.

 

[DeepIn2U]

CAD leaks and rumors suggest the S9 will retain the rear-mounted fingerprint sensor, now located underneath a new-dual camera setup instead of being positioned alongside a single lens, as it was on the S8. The change of location is presumably to make accidentally smudging the lens with fingerprints less likely, but as expected, Samsung will not be building fingerprint recognition into the OLED display. Otherwise, the general design of the Galaxy S9 looks largely similar to the S8.

Lol ... fingerprint sensor moved to make accidental smudging less of an issue lol. Yet it's still less than 5mm away from the bottom, presumably, main camera. This should be fun.

Competition of the CPU is a good thing ... can't wait to see the large jump by Apple's team in 2018's iPhone.

 

[DEMinSoCAL]

Apple's own TouchID fails me at least 5 out of 100 times, so using your definition, Apple's own TouchID is terrible.

Yes, which is why Apple replaced it with Face ID.

And here I thought they used FaceID instead of TouchID because there was no place to put the home button on phone with edge-to-edge glass...

 

[Black Magic]

Surely there's got to be a better implementation of that technology?

Something better and more useful will come in time. You have to introduce the technology to spur creativity in others to take it further. My only complaint is that Animojis should be on all iDevices and not just the X.

 

[Thai]

http://www.slashleaks.com/l/samsung-galaxy-s9-spotted-on-geekbench-with-exynos-9810-and-4gb-ram

Samsung boasting about doubling single core etc........in a test rig.

In real life in a S9 phone...you get 2600 single core...which is around A9 chip level from 2015...far behind 2016 A10...even farther behind 2017 A11.

 

[superduperultra]

And here I thought they used FaceID instead of TouchID because there was no place to put the home button on phone with edge-to-edge glass...

From Daring Fireball:

Again, my sources at Apple, directly familiar with the decision, have told me that they chose Face ID over a year ago because they were convinced it was better than Touch ID. Touch ID was not abandoned because it was difficult to embed in the display./QUOTE]

 

[Klyster]

Something better and more useful will come in time. You have to introduce the technology to spur creativity in others to take it further. My only complaint is that Animojis hould be on all iDevices and not just the X.

Agreed, but I'd go as far to say all things like this should be ubiquitous to be truly successful.

 

[Sevanw]

Glad to see Samsung decided take their time and get it right. Unlike Apple rushing face id with failing execution.

 

[Thai]

Glad to see Samsung decided take their time and get it right. Unlike Apple rushing face id with failing execution.

Sarcasm?

 

[expiredyogurt]

huh? thought android innovate their own things and doesnt copy from apple but why does this seem like they are copying apple? hmhmh

 

[Sevanw]

Sarcasm?

Nope. And the greatest thing about this badass processor, it'll stay uncrippled and badass after the first year. Fact.