Samsung Announces Exynos Chip for Galaxy S9 Series With iPhone X-Like Features

[Thai]

You said a Samsung phone is "UNUSABLE" after several months. That is factually not true.

Based on Android experts noted above. AndroidPolice main editor felt that way. CNET felt that way. I did not put words in their mouths. I am just quoting from the experts. Don’t shoot messenger!

And then you have the link: https://thedroidguy.com/2017/12/fix...-slow-month-use-troubleshooting-guide-1073877
[doublepost=1515176605][/doublepost]Just a reminder: https://www.futuremark.com/pressreleases/is-it-true-that-iphones-get-slower-over-time

Again, Apple does NOT throttle the processor unless battery capacity/life is near the end AND your current battery level is low (below 30-40%?). If you do not meet these two criteria, then processor of old iPhones are running at full blast.

 

[Klyster]

This thread was interesting until it got childishly derailed.
[doublepost=1515177975][/doublepost]I'm liking the visual specs of this chip, I really hope the don't limit the camera match the Snapdragon.
That would suck.

https://www.sammobile.com/news/specs-comparison-samsung-exynos-9810-vs-qualcomm-snapdragon-845/

 

[kdarling]

Again, Apple does NOT throttle the processor unless battery capacity/life is near the end AND your current battery level is low (below 30-40%?). If you do not meet these two criteria, then processor of old iPhones are running at full blast.

That’s not what early reports said. They said that current limit throttling was enabled no matter the charge level, once a battery was past an unknown age demarcation point.

Have there been any more detailed tests out there that someone can link to?

Thanks!

 

[Thai]

That’s not what early reports said. They said that current limit throttling was enabled no matter the charge level, once a battery was past an unknown age demarcation point.

Have there been any more detailed tests out there that someone can link to?

Thanks!

See Futuremark test above on a 5s.

And see attached.

 

[convergent]

Based on Android experts noted above. AndroidPolice main editor felt that way. CNET felt that way. I did not put words in their mouths. I am just quoting from the experts. Don’t shoot messenger!

And then you have the link: https://thedroidguy.com/2017/12/fix...-slow-month-use-troubleshooting-guide-1073877
[doublepost=1515176605][/doublepost]Just a reminder: https://www.futuremark.com/pressreleases/is-it-true-that-iphones-get-slower-over-time

Again, Apple does NOT throttle the processor unless battery capacity/life is near the end AND your current battery level is low (below 30-40%?). If you do not meet these two criteria, then processor of old iPhones are running at full blast.

I'm not even going to bother reading those links, because I know that no credible story would profess that a Samsung phone is UNUSABLE after a few months. I've owned two. One was a Galaxy S5, which I totally hated for the whole 6 months I had it, but to say it was UNUSABLE would be ridiculous. My Note 8 I've had going on 4 months and I've loved it since first touch... and nothing has even hinted at a change. Even if it developed some gradual slowing (which has happened on every iPhone I've owned), it is not going to go from where it is now to UNUSABLE in any sudden action.

You have yet to back off your claim that a Samsung phone is UNUSABLE after several months, and that is a complete fabrication.

I believe you are also incorrect in your statements about Apple throttling. I've seen accounts on here by owners who claim otherwise, and back it up with their results.

Apple and Samsung both make great products, and they are both companies that are in business to make a profit. They are going to have some pros/cons with products as they go forward, and they will both have mis-steps from time to time. I don't blindly trust or defend any company. This battery thing with Apple, which has nothing to do with this thread, is a huge mis-step. My personal opinion is that they are trying to cover up a design issue and potential costly recall, by first trying to hide it by secretly throttling, and now by throwing a cheap battery upgrade at everyone. Contrast that to Samsung who had a problem with the Note 7 and dealt with it aggressively and made things right with their customers.

 

[Thai]

I'm not even going to bother reading those links, because I know that no credible story would profess that a Samsung phone is UNUSABLE after a few months. I've owned two. One was a Galaxy S5, which I totally hated for the whole 6 months I had it, but to say it was UNUSABLE would be ridiculous. My Note 8 I've had going on 4 months and I've loved it since first touch... and nothing has even hinted at a change. Even if it developed some gradual slowing (which has happened on every iPhone I've owned), it is not going to go from where it is now to UNUSABLE in any sudden action.

You have yet to back off your claim that a Samsung phone is UNUSABLE after several months, and that is a complete fabrication.

I believe you are also incorrect in your statements about Apple throttling. I've seen accounts on here by owners who claim otherwise, and back it up with their results.

Apple and Samsung both make great products, and they are both companies that are in business to make a profit. They are going to have some pros/cons with products as they go forward, and they will both have mis-steps from time to time. I don't blindly trust or defend any company. This battery thing with Apple, which has nothing to do with this thread, is a huge mis-step. My personal opinion is that they are trying to cover up a design issue and potential costly recall, by first trying to hide it by secretly throttling, and now by throwing a cheap battery upgrade at everyone. Contrast that to Samsung who had a problem with the Note 7 and dealt with it aggressively and made things right with their customers.

Dude, Note 7 INJURED PEOPLE and burn down houses!! You’re trying to make some weird comparison b/w that and Apple throttling?

Futuremark testing by the way was not done by me or any of my minions. I have no association with Futuremark.

 

[convergent]

Dude, Note 7 INJURED PEOPLE and burn down houses!! You’re trying to make some weird comparison b/w that and Apple throttling?

Futuremark testing by the way was not done by me or any of my minions. I have no association with Futuremark.

I'm making a comparison about how two large companies deal with an issue, not comparing the issues. In one case we have a company who made things right. In the other, we have a company that has a history of trying to blame their problems on their customers, hide them, ignore them, etc..

We have different views on the throttling issue, I promise you. I don't believe anyone is really looking at the real issue, they've been distracted by the actions of Apple, not the reason for the actions. Apple is getting away with something, and the media is going along with it.

As for your dramatic "Dude, Note 7 INJURED PEOPLE and burn down houses!"... guess what, things with lithium ion batteries are dangerous. It happens with iPhones too. Here is one such incident, and there are many others.

http://wjla.com/news/local/couples-...ire-near-3-month-old-daughter-in-southeast-dc

 

[Thai]

I'm making a comparison about how two large companies deal with an issue, not comparing the issues. In one case we have a company who made things right. In the other, we have a company that has a history of trying to blame their problems on their customers, hide them, ignore them, etc..

We have different views on the throttling issue, I promise you. I don't believe anyone is really looking at the real issue, they've been distracted by the actions of Apple, not the reason for the actions. Apple is getting away with something, and the media is going along with it.

As for your dramatic "Dude, Note 7 INJURED PEOPLE and burn down houses!"... guess what, things with lithium ion batteries are dangerous. It happens with iPhones too. Here is one such incident, and there are many others.

http://wjla.com/news/local/couples-...ire-near-3-month-old-daughter-in-southeast-dc

Remember that sudden shutdown was prevalent in Android Land too. XDA Dev site has excellent article on that.

Apple throttling is aiming at that.

Apple is not trying to prevent your phone from becoming a hand grenade!

Samsung took their sweet time addressing the explosive Note7. Didn’t they throw a battery company under the bus?

That was a horrible association by you. Lol

 

[Klyster]

Remember that sudden shutdown was prevalent in Android Land too. XDA Dev site has excellent article on that.

Apple throttling is aiming at that.

Apple is not trying to prevent your phone from becoming a hand grenade!

Samsung took their sweet time addressing the explosive Note7. Didn’t they throw a battery company under the bus?

That was a horrible association by you. Lol

I got two replacement phones within a month of the note battery "fires".
Samsung handled it how it should have been handled.
How about that new Exynos processor eh?

 

[convergent]

Remember that sudden shutdown was prevalent in Android Land too. XDA Dev site has excellent article on that.

Apple throttling is aiming at that.

Apple is not trying to prevent your phone from becoming a hand grenade!

Samsung took their sweet time addressing the explosive Note7. Didn’t they throw a battery company under the bus?

That was a horrible association by you. Lol

What are you talking about? I have said that I am not comparing those two issues, only how companies address issues. I didn't even bring up the battery issue, you did. None of that has anything to do with this thread.

And you still haven't addressed your false statement that Samsung devices are UNUSABLE after a few months, which is completely wrong.

I'm not going to continue anymore back and forth with you because its clear you are just here to disrupt the thread and spout incorrect information.

 

[Thai]

What are you talking about? I have said that I am not comparing those two issues, only how companies address issues. I didn't even bring up the battery issue, you did. None of that has anything to do with this thread.

And you still haven't addressed your false statement that Samsung devices are UNUSABLE after a few months, which is completely wrong.

I'm not going to continue anymore back and forth with you because its clear you are just here to disrupt the thread and spout incorrect information.

My false statements? Dude, email David at Android Police or the guy at CNET for their long term review of S7. I only quoted what they found. Sorry if it rubs you the wrong way. Don’t shoot messenger.

Samsung denied report of Note 7 KABOOMing initially. Then they blame a battery company. After all that failed and Note 7s keep on exploding, then they admit fault. Your memory of the events are cloudy at best.

It is YOU who has a conspiracy of a deeper problem with Apple battery, remember? Did you forget that already?

And as i explained above, Apple throttling is to prevent sudden shutdown when battery capacity is low and battery level is low. This sudden shutdown occurs on iOS devices AND Android devices. Again, please read XDA Developer article on this. There is no deeper battery conspiracy as you suggested.

And there is NO COMPARISON b/w how Apple and Samsung handled their issues because the issues are NOT comparable. Get it???!!!! Dude!
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I got two replacement phones within a month of the note battery "fires".
Samsung handled it how it should have been handled.
How about that new Exynos processor eh?

Exynos is fine...still prefer S845. Per single core score...it is equivalent to A9 processor. Nothing more, nothing less.

Have a good weekend.

 

[convergent]

Yeah i can see Android OEMs just rushing to copy S8/Note 8 fingerprint scanner placement!!! There’s a long line to copy that dumbass decision i am sure based on your experience!

Iris scanner is finicky. No need to sugar coat it. It requires active concentration for proper placement and distance. Does it work with contacts? (Honest question)

Trusted device/location is not secure. Not sure what else i can say about that.

FaceID only trains itself IF you know the passcode. So, if my (non-identical twin) brother or close relative does not know passcode, then there is not a chance in hell they can get in.

Many companies, such as Google, already have their FPS in a similar position to Samsung, so I guess a lot of companies agree with them and not you in what is "dumbass".

As for all your comments about Samsung's security options... the bottom line is that my Note 8 is secure when I want it secure, its unlocked when I want it unlocked. Its multiple unlocking mechanisms allow me to easily unlock it when I want to, nearly instantly. I'm not a "dumbass", so I can figure out how to intelligently configure and use the options to assure it meets my security needs.

Apple only gives you one option. There are actual cases in my use when that one option wouldn't allow me to unlock my phone to use it. That will never happen with the Note 8. So the Note 8 is the better option in my opinion.
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My false statements? Dude, email David at Android Police or the guy at CNET for their long term review of S7. I only quoted what they found. Sorry if it rubs you the wrong way. Don’t shoot messenger.

Samsung denied report of Note 7 KABOOMing initially. Then they blame a battery company. After all that failed and Note 7s keep on exploding, then they admit fault. Your memory of the events are cloudy at best.

It is YOU who has a conspiracy of a deeper problem with Apple battery, remember? Did you forget that already?

And as i explained above, Apple throttling is to prevent sudden shutdown when battery capacity is low and battery level is low. This sudden shutdown occurs on iOS devices AND Android devices. Again, please read XDA Developer article on this. There is no deeper battery conspiracy as you suggested.

And there is NO COMPARISON b/w how Apple and Samsung handled their issues because the issues are NOT comparable. Get it???!!!! Dude!
[doublepost=1515189579][/doublepost]

Exynos is fine...still prefer S845. Per single core score...it is equivalent to A9 processor. Nothing more, nothing less.

Have a good weekend.

You haven't addressed your factually incorrect statement that Samsung phones are UNUSABLE after a few months. Get it???!!!! Dude!

 

[Thai]

Many companies, such as Google, already have their FPS in a similar position to Samsung, so I guess a lot of companies agree with them and not you in what is "dumbass".

As for all your comments about Samsung's security options... the bottom line is that my Note 8 is secure when I want it secure, its unlocked when I want it unlocked. Its multiple unlocking mechanisms allow me to easily unlock it when I want to, nearly instantly. I'm not a "dumbass", so I can figure out how to intelligently configure and use the options to assure it meets my security needs.

Apple only gives you one option. There are actual cases in my use when that one option wouldn't allow me to unlock my phone to use it. That will never happen with the Note 8. So the Note 8 is the better option in my opinion.

WHich Google phone has their FPS on the right of the camera? Does any other phone have a smudging feature to remind users to wipe their camera lenses clean due to misplacement of finger fouling up pics???

It is secure when you want it but it is harder to use. If you want ease of use, then you sacrifice security. THAT’s the problem.



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You haven't addressed your factually incorrect statement that Samsung phones are UNUSABLE after a few months. Get it???!!!! Dude![/QUOTE]

Sorry...i got that from the reviews by those professionals.

 

[convergent]

WHich Google phone has their FPS on the right of the camera? Does any other phone have a smudging feature to remind users to wipe their camera lenses clean due to misplacement of finger fouling up pics???

It is secure when you want it but it is harder to use. If you want ease of use, then you sacrifice security. THAT’s the problem.

I don't have a problem with something that is harder to use. Actually, factually its "harder to setup" because it has choices to make about how you want it to work, but quite easy to use. And it meets all my security needs. I'll take that over a phone I can't unlock in some cases where I'd want to use it.

And back to the iPhone retraining "feature". Do you ever have anyone else use your phone? I certainly do. If not carefully handled, you could be retraining your phone when someone else uses it. To me, that is a security risk.

Sorry...i got that from the reviews by those professionals.

I do not believe any credible reviewer has stated that Samsung phones are UNUSABLE after several months, unless there were some defect involved. No company could succeed selling products that were unusable after 90 days. None. If a reviewer stated it, then I would not consider them credible. If you are believing it is true, it tells me a bit about your credibility. I suspect you are either taking something out of context, or just wishfully thinking people will believe it when you state it in an Apple oriented forum.

 

[Thai]

I don't have a problem with something that is harder to use. Actually, factually its "harder to setup" because it has choices to make about how you want it to work, but quite easy to use. And it meets all my security needs. I'll take that over a phone I can't unlock in some cases where I'd want to use it.

And back to the iPhone retraining "feature". Do you ever have anyone else use your phone? I certainly do. If not carefully handled, you could be retraining your phone when someone else uses it. To me, that is a security risk.



I do not believe any credible reviewer has stated that Samsung phones are UNUSABLE after several months, unless there were some defect involved. No company could succeed selling products that were unusable after 90 days. None. If a reviewer stated it, then I would not consider them credible. If you are believing it is true, it tells me a bit about your credibility. I suspect you are either taking something out of context, or just wishfully thinking people will believe it when you state it in an Apple oriented forum.

Huh? You need to read up on how FaceID works before asking that question. LOL.

I gave you the links above. And there is even a “help” link i posted above about S8 owners complaining about major slow downs and lag after a few weeks of using it. You can read it more. Links are there. Thanks.

BTW, which Google phone again that has FPS to the right (or left if that makes it easier for you to find) of camera???

 

[convergent]

Huh? You need to read up on how FaceID works before asking that question. LOL.

I gave you the links above. And there is even a “help” link i posted above about S8 owners complaining about major slow downs and lag after a few weeks of using it. You can read it more. Links are there. Thanks.

BTW, which Google phone again that has FPS to the right (or left if that makes it easier for you to find) of camera???

You continue to deflect on my claim that your statement is false. Someone complaining about a device being slower doesn't make it unusable. I gave you a first hand example. I owned a Galaxy S5 and for 6 months it was my daily driver. I hated it. It was very laggy. It was not unusable. Plenty of people still use that phone. Your statement that Samsung phones are unusable after a couple of months is false.

What about my FaceID description is false. If a PIN is entered after someone else has looked at your phone to use it and it failed to unlock, its going to start retraining to their face, correct? If not, then that's good... I'm wrong. It really matters not to me because I wouldn't want that single option for unlocking since it won't work in some use cases.

 

[Strelok]

The US most likely won’t get this, forever stuck with Snapdragon

 

[Thai]

You continue to deflect on my claim that your statement is false. Someone complaining about a device being slower doesn't make it unusable. I gave you a first hand example. I owned a Galaxy S5 and for 6 months it was my daily driver. I hated it. It was very laggy. It was not unusable. Plenty of people still use that phone. Your statement that Samsung phones are unusable after a couple of months is false.

What about my FaceID description is false. If a PIN is entered after someone else has looked at your phone to use it and it failed to unlock, its going to start retraining to their face, correct? If not, then that's good... I'm wrong. It really matters not to me because I wouldn't want that single option for unlocking since it won't work in some use cases.

Why would you give your PIN to someone else?

You can reset your FaceID if you are idiotic enough to tell everyone your passcode...so, even for people like you, FaceID has you covered.

Yeah, I understand...you love to have multiple half-assed unlocking features rather one that is fully baked and seamless. That is why Android appeals to folks like you.
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The US most likely won’t get this, forever stuck with Snapdragon

And you regret this why? S845 is just as capable and likely will have better GPU.

 

[kdarling]

Samsung denied report of Note 7 KABOOMing initially. Then they blame a battery company. After all that failed and Note 7s keep on exploding, then they admit fault. Your memory of the events are cloudy at best.

His memory is fine.

Samsung announced the first recall just one week after reports of thermal runaways arose. That’s incredibly quick considering the cost of replacements.

And yes, it was caused by a battery manufacturing mistake which could create a short circuit in an affected battery. Unfortunately for Samsung, the replacement manufacturer then provided batteries that sometimes had a welding burr and/or missing insulation.

No one could have guessed that two different suppliers would both have defects, and fail to test their products correctly. Nor at the time was there a way for anyone to notice before mass sales began, that one out of ~40,000 could fail. No phone maker tested on such a scale.

Likewise, Apple says they were surprised by the slowness reported by their new battery code, and it took them a while to figure it out and acknowledge it.

 

[convergent]

Why would you give your PIN to someone else?

You can reset your FaceID if you are idiotic enough to tell everyone your passcode...so, even for people like you, FaceID has you covered.

Yeah, I understand...you love to have multiple half-assed unlocking features rather one that is fully baked and seamless. That is why Android appeals to folks like you.
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And you regret this why? S845 is just as capable and likely will have better GPU.

Still avoiding the fact that what you said is incorrect.

 

[Thai]

His memory is fine.

Samsung announced the first recall just one week after reports of thermal runaways arose. That’s incredibly quick considering the cost of replacements.

And yes, it was caused by a battery manufacturing mistake which could create a short circuit in an affected battery. Unfortunately for Samsung, the replacement manufacturer then provided batteries that sometimes had a welding burr and/or missing insulation.

No one could have guessed that two different suppliers would both have defects, and fail to test their products correctly. Nor at the time was there a way for anyone to notice before mass sales began, that one out of ~40,000 could fail. No phone maker tested on such a scale.

Likewise, Apple says they were surprised by the slowness reported by their new battery code, and it took them a while to figure it out and acknowledge it.

Link: https://www.google.com/amp/amp.time.../10/timeline-samsun-galaxy-note-recall-crisis

His memory (and yours?) is cloudy.

Again, you can not compare the responses between Apple and Samsung because the seriousness of the issues are quite different.

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Still avoiding the fact that what you said is incorrect.

The experts (CNET, AndroidPolice, others) said it.

 

[kdarling]

Link: https://www.google.com/amp/amp.time.../10/timeline-samsun-galaxy-note-recall-crisis

His memory (and yours?) is cloudy.

You obviously didn’t even read it, because as I said, it shows they responded quickly.

Especially in comparison to all the times that Apple had to recall dangerous products that caused injuries and property damage, but only did so after many years and losing class action suits.

Again, you can not compare the responses between Apple and Samsung because the seriousness of the issues are quite different.

I was giving Apple the benefit of the doubt on this throttling, by pointing out that it can take a while to realize there’s a real problem and not just some anomalies.

 

[convergent]

The experts (CNET, AndroidPolice, others) said it.

Nope, no "expert" would say that because its completely ridiculous and not true. If a product became "unusable" after 90 days, it would be unsellable.

 

[grkm3]

http://www.slashleaks.com/l/samsung-galaxy-s9-spotted-on-geekbench-with-exynos-9810-and-4gb-ram

Samsung boasting about doubling single core etc........in a test rig.

In real life in a S9 phone...you get 2600 single core...which is around A9 chip level from 2015...far behind 2016 A10...even farther behind 2017 A11.

That is a overclocked galaxy s6 and is a fake score.

You can change the device name when you root and modify your cell but you can't change the cpuid and if you look up what arm65 3335 1 is it comes up as a exynos 7420 in the gs6.

Here I did it for you.

The new exynos chip will break 4k easily.its a massive big core architecture and is using a 6 wide decode like the a11 and has almost quadruple the cache on the cores from last years soc and is double the size of the snapdragon 845.

The m3 core is going to be a monster and will easily compete with the a11.its ipc is insanely higher than anything samsung has ever done before.

6 wide vs 4 wide and 4mb of l3 cache added along with 500mhz speed bump.

The a11 is also a 6 wide core