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So Sammy's business model seems to be:

Make fun of Apple and it's users whenever something new comes out.
Blatantly copy those features 6 months later.
Hope that this year's phone doesn't explode.

Blatantly copy? You think "Sammy" went out and bought an iPhone X in November and churned out the Exynos 9810 in a month based on what the iPhone X could do? These things are in the design queue for a year or more. Maybe "Sammy" has a mole working at Apple...
 
And the X "copied" more features from others than one!

Copying others is pretty much the way competition works. Look at any product sold... take cars for example. If a car maker introduces a new feature, it gives them an advantage for one model year usually. Then everyone else rolls out their version of it. No company is going to stick their head in the sand and ignore features that their competitors are adding.
I personally couldn't care less about who copied from whom. The different features don't "belong" to the companies that debut them. As you said, ideas flow back and forth among the different companies. My comment to Flynn was primarily about 1 feature being considered over the top.
 
So Sammy's business model seems to be:

Make fun of Apple and it's users whenever something new comes out.
Blatantly copy those features 6 months later.
Hope that this year's phone doesn't explode.
The phone might not explode, but it will be crippled to around 35% of maximum power so that it doesn't switch off when it gets a wee bit cold outside and you're not even using it...

Where did Apple get the idea for putting the following features into their phones:
Dual Cameras
Wireless charging
Waterproof design
OLED
"edge to edge" screen
iPhone X's card like UI

There is no doubt Apple are leading the way when it comes to chip design, but with regards to features, it does the exact same as every other manufacturer, looks at the market for what works.
 
Basically every year Samsung and other Android makers try to catch up with Apple's hardware features and copy all those and Apple tries to catch up with Android's software features and copy all those.
 
Blatantly copy? You think "Sammy" went out and bought an iPhone X in November and churned out the Exynos 9810 in a month based on what the iPhone X could do? These things are in the design queue for a year or more. Maybe "Sammy" has a mole working at Apple...

Clearly Samsung saw the X and just snapped their fingers Ali G style and boom, produced a new chip capable of these things overnight.

(For those that don't know the Ali G finger snap here's a GIF):

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Apple simply enhanced the current Android face unlock capability and are now charging their users throw the face nose for the capability
 
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What increased performance are you talking about? There are plenty of head to head "real world" tests that show in day to day operations that the iPhone 8/X is about the same as a Note 8. The only tests where Apple's CPU is noticeably better is in a narrow set of use cases, specifically video editing/rendering. A lot of users will likely never do that type of work on a phone, and so raw CPU speed doesn't equate to a different user experience.

And just my speculation, but I suspect that this whole battery-gate thing is maybe tied to these CPU designs that become unstable as the battery ages.

The increased performance on everything I do. The operation of the operating system. Each year, performance is noticeably better on the new models with the new OS versus the previous model with the new OS. And that is why I upgrade. So for me, the increased CPU and GPU functionality of the new A-series does equate to a different user experience.
 
Not for nothing, but Samsung has the technology and people to produce their own chips. They're one of the major chip makers of the world, so its no surprise regarding the quick turn around.

Of course the number of features they copied from apple seems over the top this time around

This type of advanced logic encoded in silicon doesn't happen in a single design cycle - it requires lots of prototyping and testing before it can be committed to expensive manufacturing runs involving millions of chips. The suggestion then that Samsung "copied" Apple, in fewer than four months no less, is optimistic fanboyism.
 
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Since everyone here seems to think bezelless slabs are the epitome of great design in a smartphone, I wonder when Samsung will change their design? I mean, this would be several years running with essentially the same design, right?
 
Blatantly copy? You think "Sammy" went out and bought an iPhone X in November and churned out the Exynos 9810 in a month based on what the iPhone X could do? These things are in the design queue for a year or more. Maybe "Sammy" has a mole working at Apple...

Or perhaps all of the above.
 
At least they're not copying the "slow down" feature when your battery is low... and more importantly, they're not shoving small capacity **** batteries in their phones (at least not since Note 7)
 
What increased performance are you talking about? There are plenty of head to head "real world" tests that show in day to day operations that the iPhone 8/X is about the same as a Note 8. The only tests where Apple's CPU is noticeably better is in a narrow set of use cases, specifically video editing/rendering. A lot of users will likely never do that type of work on a phone, and so raw CPU speed doesn't equate to a different user experience.

And just my speculation, but I suspect that this whole battery-gate thing is maybe tied to these CPU designs that become unstable as the battery ages.
Editing video on a phone is indeed common -- ever use iMovie? I do it on the plane after a vacation it's so easy.

So yes, the A11 is faster.

As for your "speculation", it's about as worthless as my grandmother's speculation on how computers work. You really have no idea what you're talking about.
 
Yeah, I know.

At the moment. Give it a while. It's a differentiator, Google will expand its usage, surely.
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It's scans my irises with at least 95% accuracy in the light or dark.

Actually, per Google engineer, it will NEVER be used on the stock camera app. It is mainly for 3rd party app. The whole thing about improving image quality was a folklore created by Android fan base. Google NEVER claimed such...and its engineer confirmed it.

LINK: http://www.fonearena.com/blog/23525...camera-qa-with-brian-rakowski-tim-knight.html

As for IRIS, it is secure, but hard to use. Facial recog is easier to use but insecure.

FaceID from Apple combines the best of IRIS and Facial recog. That is what separates FaceID from everyone else.
 
Kind of irrelevant in the US as we get the Crappy SnapDragon SOC.
 
So Sammy's business model seems to be:

-Make fun of Apple and it's users whenever something new comes out.
-Blatantly copy those features 6 months later.
-Hope that this year's phone doesn't explode.

lol Sounds just like Apple's plan:

-Make fun of larger or smaller screens, etc that other devices feature.
-Blatantly copy those features later when Apple sales need a boost.
-Hope that customers don't realize their old devices have been sabotaged by OS updates.

I would add that last year it was widely predicted that it was a mistake for Apple fans to make fun of Samsung's battery problems, as the resulting karma would be a b***. Well, guess what just showed up at Apple's front door?

Who says the universe doesn't have a sense of humor? :D
 
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Apple-like feature = Animojis

As an adult, I can tell you that the last thing I will be doing with a $900 phone is sendiing animated emojis. There's a desperate effort to make your phone something it isn't.

Features and complexity in electronics has been the theme since the invention of the transistor. Unless Apple has crippled your phone for you, why be in such a hurry to replace the phone you bought last year? Animojis?

How about a display without a notch at the top, Apple? You will never be able to put an SD card in an iPhone.
 
wait a minute, 3D facial tracking and a secure processing unit for storing personal data?

INNOVATION!
 
So Sammy's business model seems to be:

Make fun of Apple and it's users whenever something new comes out.
Blatantly copy those features 6 months later.
Hope that this year's phone doesn't explode.

X = 10 and They Skipped 9

The Note 8 is a great phone, and it's bigger by far than even the iPhone X. Show me where the SD card slot is on an iPhone? Tell me how you access files on your iPhone? Is it yours, or is Apple just letting you use it? Have you figured out how to wirelessly charge yet? There's a novel iPhone feature.
 
I hear 120fps 4k will be a feature too.
I hope it's not hobbled to match the Qualcomm models again...
Animojis, are they really a useful thing for adults? I see the appeal for children and teens but adults? Surely the got to be a better implementation of that technology?


Useful? No. Fun to use? Yes.
 
The increased performance on everything I do. The operation of the operating system. Each year, performance is noticeably better on the new models with the new OS versus the previous model with the new OS. And that is why I upgrade. So for me, the increased CPU and GPU functionality of the new A-series does equate to a different user experience.

We aren't talking about speed difference between two iPhone versions. The comment was made that Apple's CPU is way faster than Samsungs. My response was that there have been plenty of speed comparisons between Apple and Samsung's current flagship phones that show for most functions the speed difference is not there in day to day use. The only place its visible is video editing/rendering.

Editing video on a phone is indeed common -- ever use iMovie? I do it on the plane after a vacation it's so easy.

So yes, the A11 is faster.

As for your "speculation", it's about as worthless as my grandmother's speculation on how computers work. You really have no idea what you're talking about.

I have never used a phone to do video editing. Other than something completely trivial, I don't know anyone that does this. I do video work on a larger device, and likely always will. Congratulations... you edited a video on a plane after vacation. Whatever makes you happy. I use my smartphone for work and play... so productivity features I benefit from every day (like split screen, S-Pen, larger display, etc.) rank higher than something I might do a couple times a year. I travel with my Surface Pro, and can simply pop the MicroSD card from my phone into the Surface Pro... on a plane... and edit with a real computer.

For day to day activity, the huge speed advantage of Apple's CPUs doesn't translate into quicker actions. Especially when Apple is throttling the speed down because of design issues related to aging batteries.

Because my view is different than yours, I have no idea what I'm talking about? Really. That's quite an opinion you have of yourself there.

As for IRIS, it is secure, but hard to use. Facial recog is easier to use but insecure.

FaceID from Apple combines the best of IRIS and Facial recog. That is what separates FaceID from everyone else.

FaceID is not taking the "best of IRIS", it doesn't do iris at all. The only way you can fake iris is by getting close hi res images of someones iris, and also a contact lens that matches the dimensions of their eye. You can fake FaceID with a relative. You are way more likely to come in contact with a relative on a day to day basis.

Having multiple modes of unlock is always going to be better (to me) than only one. Use cases vary throughout the day.
 
Not for nothing, but Samsung has the technology and people to produce their own chips. They're one of the major chip makers of the world, so its no surprise regarding the quick turn around.

Of course the number of features they copied from apple seems over the top this time around


Well, as Steve said, good artists copy, great artists steal :D

There’s nothing new with all of the big tech companies being “inspired” by one another’s achievements. It’s been going on for decades and that’s fine by me. It’s how we end up with powerful, advanced and refined products and features.
 
Wow, three quotes off one post, I'm on a roll!

Blatantly copy? You think "Sammy" went out and bought an iPhone X in November and churned out the Exynos 9810 in a month based on what the iPhone X could do? These things are in the design queue for a year or more. Maybe "Sammy" has a mole working at Apple...

Well, given Sammy's history of copying Apple, combined with them being a manufacturing partner, yes, I do believe that.

The phone might not explode, but it will be crippled to around 35% of maximum power so that it doesn't switch off when it gets a wee bit cold outside and you're not even using it...

Where did Apple get the idea for putting the following features into their phones:
Dual Cameras
Wireless charging
Waterproof design
OLED
"edge to edge" screen
iPhone X's card like UI

There is no doubt Apple are leading the way when it comes to chip design, but with regards to features, it does the exact same as every other manufacturer, looks at the market for what works.

I'd rather have my phone slow down than crash in the middle of something. My point was more that Apple does something, and Sammy has to try to copy it verbatim.

Also, no phone is actually waterproof.

X = 10 and They Skipped 9

The Note 8 is a great phone, and it's bigger by far than even the iPhone X. Show me where the SD card slot is on an iPhone? Tell me how you access files on your iPhone? Is it yours, or is Apple just letting you use it? Have you figured out how to wirelessly charge yet? There's a novel iPhone feature.

Congrats, you know what the Roman numeral X is. Samsung skipped the Note 6, what's your point? Apple never gave a reason for the X not being the 9, though it's assumed to be because of the phone's 10th anniversary. Sammy skipped 6 because they're superstitious.

Who suggested that I liked phablets? The only reason I had owned the Plus phones over the years was for the bigger battery and best camera; the X now gives me that in the body of the small phone. Oh, and that finger print reader's location on the Note is a joke.

I don't need or want an SD card slot (another water/dust ingress point); I have 256gb of onboard storage. Had they put out a 512gb version, I would have bought that instead. Tell me, how that adoptable storage working out for you? What's that, it's nigh impossible to find an A1 certified micro SD card, let alone at a decent price? And Google's own Music app still can't be configured to save to the micro SD, while Apple Music on Android can?

Accessing files on my phone? It's a phone, not a file server. Anything beyond pictures and documents, I use an actual computer for.

Wireless charging is a gimmick. Until I can place a charging unit in my living room and my phone charges in my pocket, it's just the same as plugging in. Except slower. And more expensive. Besides, I own an iPhone with a power sipping CPU and a big battery; I don't need to be glued to a charger in order to make it home. :p
 
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