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Samsung Bashes iPhone Battery Life, Calls Users 'Wall Huggers' in New Galaxy S5 Ad
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Really Apple, get over the never-ending thinness obsession already and give us user replaceable batteries.
First of all, I question your statistic. Show me some proof that 9 out of 10 don't care, especially when it comes time to replace the battery and it costs them $15 on an Android phone and $100 on an iPhone (and the misery of trying to find a local service center that will do it since Apple has zero presence in most smaller towns and cities outside of a Best Buy).
Secondly, being able to change the battery has NOTHING to do with a daily or weekly type of activity. It has to do with being able to change your 2+ year old battery without having to pry apart your GLUED device and then needing Swiss Watch tools to open it and put it back together when they could include a simple battery cover and socket. I've got an Ipod Touch 1G and 4G and I'm not throwing them out just because there's a newer model available. They still play music and control my whole house system just fine. But the batteries don't last forever.
Apple doesn't NOT include removable batteries for any "good" reason. They do it so they can "encourage" you to either buy a newer phone or pony up $100 in bogus BS fees to do something that could have been done by a 5-year old if they designed it better. Making excuses under the pretense that consumers enjoy being ripped off is absurd.
Heavy? My 2008 MBP is not "heavy". I have to wonder WTF people think "heavy" means these days.
Let's be honest. Hardly "anyone" "needs" a COMPUTER *PERIOD* anymore if you get right down to it. "Most" people use smart phones for everything. "Most" people don't compute. "Most" people don't know how to use a real computer. "Most" people don't have a clue about computers in any sense of the word. "Most" people want an APPLIANCE not a "computer". iPads and iPhones were created for these people.
But since when has computers become about "most" people? Computers are sold to computer users. If you want a smart phone, get a smart phone. If you want a computer, get a computer. REAL COMPUTER USERS WANT A *REAL* COMPUTER. Apple already sells devices for non-computer users. They're called iPhones, iPads and iPod Touches (and soon to be the iWatch). Leave computers for computer users, not toys for the technically challenged.
Ah, so someone doesn't agree with your opinion and so they simply must not have used it. Right.
Honestly, I think you haven't even looked at the new Surface Pro. You're describing the old one. The new one is a full blown notebook that also happens to be a tablet. It's made possible by newer cheaper hardware. Having to carry around two devices when just one will do is ridiculous. The Future is a merger. Apple knows this. Every OSX update shows every sign of it happening in the future. I do not think Apple anticipated Microsoft getting there first, though. And that is the difference between Apple now and Apple under Steve Jobs. Steve knew he needed to get there first. When you're less than 20% of the market, you better be special. No one wants to pay more for less.
I don't think you get it. It's not about a "touchscreen laptop". It's about one device to rule them all. Whether the touchscreen is even active in notebook "mode" is moot. It could or it could simply mean I can carry ONE device around instead of two since the hardware is like 90% the same. Why should I need an iPad AND a notebook if one will do the functions of both? Technologically the ONLY thing that has stopped the combination is the keyboard/trackpad, but given how thin everything is getting it's not that hard to combine the two these days.
You can't even be consistent in your statements about whether you're a fanatic or not.
You obviously don't understand Capitalism or you wouldn't make such a ridiculous statement. Making money is one part, yes. The other part that is even more important is the regulation of market forces. Take greed too far and consumers will REJECT you like a bad habit. Apple was plenty greedy in the '90s. It got them nowhere without a great product that represents good value to the consumer. If you want to charge a premium your product better represent a premium in value or you won't make the sales. The only time you can charge a fortune for a mediocre crap product is when you have a monopoly or near monopoly on the product (e.g. Windows in the late '90s or most cable companies today in areas with no other broadband alternative for Internet).
When the battery in my iPhone 5 started to deteriorate, I was able to take it into an Apple Store where they said they could swap it out for a new battery in 30 minutes. They actually ended up noting a problem with the screen as well so they just gave me a new phone when I came back 30 minutes later. The cost? $0.
I'm sharing my experience not to "prove you wrong" or attack your honor, but simply to show that your experience is not the same as other people's.
And was this iPhone still under warranty and/or contract when this happened? Obviously, you can get a replacement battery for a defective one if the device is still under warranty and/or Apple Care. I don't seriously believe for a second Apple is going to give me a brand new battery for my iPod Touch 4G today.
I'm sure this has been said in this thread (probably two dozen times), but my personal experience is that I'm never far from an outlet, car charger or external battery pack.
So my phone's battery being 90 percent or 9 percent makes little difference to me.
Again, I realize not everyone's in this boat but battery life is low on my priority list when choosing a phone.
So my phone's battery being 90 percent or 9 percent makes little difference to me.
Again, I realize not everyone's in this boat but battery life is low on my priority list when choosing a phone.
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No one here has said that iOS runs the market, its more a case of Android lurkers running at fever pitch if there is any slight negative comment over their chosen platform. Bout time to grow up, they are different platforms, different business models and have different pros and cons.
Speaking of pros and cons, those who choose to participate in forums such as this should be quite comfortable discussing the pros and cons of the other platform, without any real bias, and to discuss the pros and cons of their own platform without any real bias, and we see that here. The rest are just trollers who should spend more time elsewhere.
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Defensive here? LOL Read my previous post.
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This is an Apple forum, yet it attracts many Android users, some are users some are trollers. LOl that is a compliment as it seems the Apple OS is very imortant to them to justify their platform choice. How many Apple users here hang out in Android forums to troll? Sad
Any such data is meaningless. Do you believe in data or proof someone submitted online? Because, regardless, you still have to take someone else's words over internet. And yes, that includes me, you and any other resources. You don't have to believe me but calling someone a liar is not the right way.
Ah, but Samsung - the difference between your "Galaxy" phones and any other phone ever made, is that yours are SH*TE that noone wants, which you don't test properly, which you spray paint and which are made of soft, bendy plasticine type plastic and then jam full of bloat/spyware that noone wants and which slows down the system (that's why Samsung users NEED two batteries - the bloat sucks juice badddd).
ANY phone is better than a Samsung - even a Nokia 3210.
Samsung, go home. If *YOUR* battery life were so stellar, people wouldn't NEED to swap batteries (read: Moto G). You seem to have also forgotten that - (if) one swaps the dead battery for a charged one, the dead battery is still going to need charging very soon, otherwise, very soon, your user is going to be doing the very thing you mock Apple users for - "wall hugging" - then we're back to square one again.
Logic fail.
Doh.
PS: Why didn't they mention that:
#1 Their "Galaxy Tab" line has no removable batteries?
#2 Many OTHER vendors have fixed batteries also?
Let the fail proceed...
ANY phone is better than a Samsung - even a Nokia 3210.
Samsung, go home. If *YOUR* battery life were so stellar, people wouldn't NEED to swap batteries (read: Moto G). You seem to have also forgotten that - (if) one swaps the dead battery for a charged one, the dead battery is still going to need charging very soon, otherwise, very soon, your user is going to be doing the very thing you mock Apple users for - "wall hugging" - then we're back to square one again.
Logic fail.
Doh.
PS: Why didn't they mention that:
#1 Their "Galaxy Tab" line has no removable batteries?
#2 Many OTHER vendors have fixed batteries also?
Let the fail proceed...
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Yeah, because lower capacity proprietary batteries that cost a lot to replace is a WAY better, more modern way to go /sarcasm off.
Replaceable battery is a great idea for so many reasons. User replaceable if one fails, carry multiple batteries if no charger will be available, cheaper battery price as replaceable batteries lend themselves to more aftermarket versions.
If you don't see the difference in responsiveness, then you are either not very receptive or you just don't want to see it. If a 500+ USD device with top of the line specs performs worse in certain aspects than a cheap Moto E, then you know something is at miss here. Touch responsiveness, lag and opening apps are important to the perceived speed of a device. And Samsung has never had a strong point here. That has been mentioned for years already in probably every single review.
Flushing a device with modified software is not something, the average customers would probably do. Think about being worried about warranty issues, etc. Also, the software like CM is not alway the solution. In my personal experience, after my Note became literally unusable after more than one year, because the system was unbearably slow (typing messages for instance: letters would appear only after a while), I decided to go for CM. The device felt much faster but it became very buggy. I still kept CM but it felt like a compromise, not like a solution.
I disagree about the Note 3 review in Ars Technica. I don't think the author was out there to 'get' the Note. I really think, you should take off your Samsung Fanboy Glasses for a while. Come on, it was rightly pointed out, that on a device with some high specs and high benchmarks, it shouldn't take minutes to open up a an essential app like the Gallery. I mean, if Samsung can make sure, that on product launch the benchmarks will shine on certain test, but on the same token the Gallery app bug was overlooked, then I am sorry: they didn't get their priorities right.
On a different token: battery life on a cell phone becomes again more important, especially for travelers. I hope Jony Ives obsession with thinness -over practicality- won't get iPhone 6 users stranded in future - or the airports need to install more sockets, so smartphone users can charge their batteries before the flight:
Article link here
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I doubt Apple is making a fortune replacing batteries. Making batteries replacable adds more adaters to make them removable, not something they want to do if they are making the phone thinner.
Not quite a comprehensive answer. Most devices that come out today don't have a firewire interface anymore. The ones that do are trying to be compatable with older computers that still have Firewire. In time, that will go away soon. The same with CD/DVD/Bluray drives, but will take a little longer. An adapter is a good option for the few that still need it.[/quote]
Microsoft is simply trying to get itself into the mobile platform. I don't think it will succeed with the Surface Pro as its for a nitch market.
We have had intel tablets going on 13 years now. Didn't change things then, won't now. They have to solve battery issues, overheating, seemless touch experience on a desktop OS to be successful. A high price is another obsticle.
It has nothing to do with merging iOS & MacOS. It has everything to do with Apples Hand over continuity feature which they already shown off at WWDC. The ability to go from mobile to desktop and vice versa seamlessly. Thats why they wanted identical look and feel to a lot of applications.
I predicted this when they allowed data to be transfered between simular apps from iPhone/iPad to MacOSX.
Seems your not the ones whos getting it. Desktop tablets exsisted since the year 2000. Why has it not ruled them all...yet?
You claim to know capitolism, but you associate profit with greed. Companies sell their products for what the market will bear. If people don't like the prices or product they won't buy. Seems people are very happy with both the product and prices or they would not be one of the richest companies in the world.
First of all, I question your statistic. Show me some proof that 9 out of 10 don't care, especially when it comes time to replace the battery and it costs them $15 on an Android phone and $100 on an iPhone (and the misery of trying to find a local service center that will do it since Apple has zero presence in most smaller towns and cities outside of a Best Buy).
Secondly, being able to change the battery has NOTHING to do with a daily or weekly type of activity. It has to do with being able to change your 2+ year old battery without having to pry apart your GLUED device and then needing Swiss Watch tools to open it and put it back together when they could include a simple battery cover and socket. I've got an Ipod Touch 1G and 4G and I'm not throwing them out just because there's a newer model available. They still play music and control my whole house system just fine. But the batteries don't last forever.
Apple doesn't NOT include removable batteries for any "good" reason. They do it so they can "encourage" you to either buy a newer phone or pony up $100 in bogus BS fees to do something that could have been done by a 5-year old if they designed it better. Making excuses under the pretense that consumers enjoy being ripped off is absurd.
Heavy? My 2008 MBP is not "heavy". I have to wonder WTF people think "heavy" means these days.
Let's be honest. Hardly "anyone" "needs" a COMPUTER *PERIOD* anymore if you get right down to it. "Most" people use smart phones for everything. "Most" people don't compute. "Most" people don't know how to use a real computer. "Most" people don't have a clue about computers in any sense of the word. "Most" people want an APPLIANCE not a "computer". iPads and iPhones were created for these people.
But since when has computers become about "most" people? Computers are sold to computer users. If you want a smart phone, get a smart phone. If you want a computer, get a computer. REAL COMPUTER USERS WANT A *REAL* COMPUTER. Apple already sells devices for non-computer users. They're called iPhones, iPads and iPod Touches (and soon to be the iWatch). Leave computers for computer users, not toys for the technically challenged.
Ah, so someone doesn't agree with your opinion and so they simply must not have used it. Right.
Honestly, I think you haven't even looked at the new Surface Pro. You're describing the old one. The new one is a full blown notebook that also happens to be a tablet. It's made possible by newer cheaper hardware. Having to carry around two devices when just one will do is ridiculous. The Future is a merger. Apple knows this. Every OSX update shows every sign of it happening in the future. I do not think Apple anticipated Microsoft getting there first, though. And that is the difference between Apple now and Apple under Steve Jobs. Steve knew he needed to get there first. When you're less than 20% of the market, you better be special. No one wants to pay more for less.
I don't think you get it. It's not about a "touchscreen laptop". It's about one device to rule them all. Whether the touchscreen is even active in notebook "mode" is moot. It could or it could simply mean I can carry ONE device around instead of two since the hardware is like 90% the same. Why should I need an iPad AND a notebook if one will do the functions of both? Technologically the ONLY thing that has stopped the combination is the keyboard/trackpad, but given how thin everything is getting it's not that hard to combine the two these days.
You can't even be consistent in your statements about whether you're a fanatic or not.
You obviously don't understand Capitalism or you wouldn't make such a ridiculous statement. Making money is one part, yes. The other part that is even more important is the regulation of market forces. Take greed too far and consumers will REJECT you like a bad habit. Apple was plenty greedy in the '90s. It got them nowhere without a great product that represents good value to the consumer. If you want to charge a premium your product better represent a premium in value or you won't make the sales. The only time you can charge a fortune for a mediocre crap product is when you have a monopoly or near monopoly on the product (e.g. Windows in the late '90s or most cable companies today in areas with no other broadband alternative for Internet).
And was this iPhone still under warranty and/or contract when this happened? Obviously, you can get a replacement battery for a defective one if the device is still under warranty and/or Apple Care. I don't seriously believe for a second Apple is going to give me a brand new battery for my iPod Touch 4G today.
Yes the 2008 MBP is heavy compared to current models. The majority of notebook users do not want 2 extra pounds worth of dated technology in their machine. My friend has the mid 2012 cMBP and that thing is a brick compared to my rMBP. The optical drive, the firewire, the ethernet port etc are all unnecessary extra components which equals added weight.
My whole point about iPhone batteries is they generally do not need to be replaced. No one really keeps a phone that long these days. My mother in law just upgraded from an old 3GS that the battery was still strong in. Yes in a rare case a battery may be defective. But of all of the battery problems I saw, I only recall maybe 2 defective iPhone batteries. While I haven't physically polled 10 users, dealing with customers and their phones for years told me that no one really cares if a battery is built in or not.
Since I clearly cannot decide if I am an Apple fanatic or not, I will let you decide that one. I appreciate state of the art technology when I see it.
One device to rule them all is a nice theory but it will not be reality. Steve Jobs knew this, as does Tim Cook. Apple has a specific customer base for iPad users (appliance users as you refer to them), and a specific customer base for notebooks and desktops. Do many of their customers have both? Sure. I can tell you as someone that had an iPad but ditched it when I got my retina MBP, the iPad is very specific to what it does while the mac can do most everything the iPad can do and more. From what I gather, the majority of Mac users do not want an "all in one" because no matter who makes it, or how it's made, there are still going to be sacrifices that shouldn't be necessary. Are you really going to tell me that someone will prefer the keyboard of the SP3 to a Macbook? Again it's good at most things and great at nothing. It's still a niche product. They will sell a few but it's still not going to replace a tablet and a notebook.
For the record my rMBP is as REAL of a computer as they come. I know to you, a REAL computer needs to be big and bulky, with a slow spinning hard drive, and a ton of ports that probably won't be necessary but if they are there then it is a real computer. This is the future of computers. If it is something that bothers you, you may want to resort to building your own machines moving forward.
There are several people who seem to share your negative views of the current Apple notebooks and that's fine, everyone has a right to their opinion. The problem lies in the inability to embrace change especially in technology. I've changed hard drives, upgraded ram, and done many things in the past to computers I've owned. It's great not to have to worry about that anymore. The current Mac notebooks perform at a level unheard of even a few years ago. A computer booting up in under 10 seconds, are you kidding me? The point is, this is the future of computers. Everyone thought Steve Jobs was crazy when he introduced the Macbook Air. It doesn't have an optical drive!!! It is missing so many ports, it can't be of much use. He said at the time that it was the future of notebook computers and it was and is. So they will continue to get thinner, and lighter and better on battery and as features become old technology, they will be removed. Change with the times and learn to adapt.
BREAKING NEWS: Samsung had to give every person in this commercial a free iPhone 5S for them to agree to be in said commercial.
It was just an android fanboy comment, justifying what he needs to.
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Someone mentioned samsung batteries are $3. Go quality. In this case I support samsung having replaceables
He meant moot point. Nuff said from another android fanboy/troller
He should stick to mute point and be quiet LOL. I could mention that iPhone users are supposed to be more intelligent, but I won't ...
I don't see how one review really counters anything I have stated.
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So all of the iPads are just ok? The first 4 generations of iPhones were just ok? I know Android people that brag about 2-3 days of battery life if they shut off wifi and Bluetooth. Is that ok or great?
You lot don't half get carried away with yourselves, wow. How about stepping away from the computer and getting some air, huh? Anyone would think you're discussing something like life or death, or starvation...
I see lots of "Captain Multiquote" characters in here, grasping at scraps to build patchwork replies to people who are equally much talking out of their hats.
Get outside and exercise those legs - give your fingers and brains a break, srsly.
I see lots of "Captain Multiquote" characters in here, grasping at scraps to build patchwork replies to people who are equally much talking out of their hats.
Get outside and exercise those legs - give your fingers and brains a break, srsly.
But part of my point was that they also have to pay for that option. To have that option, their phones have to be bigger and heavier than phones that don't have an exchangeable battery. And, for such phones, there are other options. As many people have noted, there are charging cases. There are also pocket battery backups. You can have something tucked into a pocket on your carry-on that is the size of a deck of cards, and holds enough juice to charge your phone many times, as well as charging your tablet once or twice.
So, to suggest that not having an exchangeable battery means that the only option is to sit by an outlet and be a "wall hugged" is rather disingenuous, as is the clear implication that only iPhone users suffer from this problem.
Yes. To focus on battery life is a dead end . You could focus on lag, updates and have arguments. Bottom line is choose the tick boxes that suit, end of story. Do IPhone users hug power points daily? Nup do we have lag? Nup. Can we update, yes.
Isn't the Samsung S5 lighter than the HTC One M8 refuting your point? It's also only slightly heavier than the 5s and will certainly be lighter than the iPhone 6.