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I tried to PM you but I don't think the system is working. I was just going to mention to you that your posts are valid and to the point and I agree with you but don't waste your time with certain people here. And you're right, their TV's have multiple issues. AVS forum gets complaints daily. :)

There isn't a single thread on AVS where there isn't complaining. AVS also isn't what it used to be.

All flat panel technology has flaws and flashlighting/mura is common in all LCD. It boils down to which type of panel is being utilized. It's unfortunate that high contrast panels suffer from flashlighting more than others, as it is the panel of choice.
 
There isn't a single thread on AVS where there isn't complaining. AVS also isn't what it used to be.

All flat panel technology has flaws and flashlighting/mura is common in all LCD. It boils down to which type of panel is being utilized. It's unfortunate that high contrast panels suffer from flashlighting more than others, as it is the panel of choice.

Not to derail this awesome thread...:D...but I have a Panasonic Plasma. I'm not an LCD guy and Samsung's Plasma TV's get a lot of complaints for brightness jumps, issues with black level, color uniformity which are the same complaints they get on the LCD forum as well. Sadly Panasonic (which is the better Plasma) is leaving or has left the Plasma business.
 
Not to derail this awesome thread...:D...but I have a Panasonic Plasma. I'm not an LCD guy and Samsung's Plasma TV's get a lot of complaints for brightness jumps, issues with black level, color uniformity which are the same complaints they get on the LCD forum as well. Sadly Panasonic (which is the better Plasma) is leaving or has left the Plasma business.

VT 50 and pro 950 here.
 
Not to derail this awesome thread...:D...but I have a Panasonic Plasma. I'm not an LCD guy and Samsung's Plasma TV's get a lot of complaints for brightness jumps, issues with black level, color uniformity which are the same complaints they get on the LCD forum as well. Sadly Panasonic (which is the better Plasma) is leaving or has left the Plasma business.

I've owned two Panasonic plasmas myself. They've been excellent TVs, and I actually preferred their picture quality to that of the Samsungs. The entire plasma industry is just about dead, though. Between costs and power consumption, LED won the day.
 
Are you saying that the Mac vs. PC commercials were as terrible as this Samsung ad because it bashed the competitors? Not even close. Apple's ads were entertaining and accurate. This Samsung ad has NO class at all. What is funny or entertaining about it, let alone accurate?

You're confusing the argument. I'm not sure anyone here is claiming the Samsung ad is a particularly good one, or that it has class. I'm personally taking issue with the holier-than-thou attitude that the Apple fanboys are taking - that it is innately desperate or lacking in class to even mention a competitor in an ad whilst at the same time conveniently forgetting or excusing the dozens of ads Apple made which single windows out.

  1. It suggests that iPads can only run one app at a time... that is not true. You can only *interact* with one app at a time, but switching between running apps is instant and effortless.
  2. It suggests that a user's choice to attach a mouse and keyboard to their tablet makes the Samsung product better? How exactly?
  3. It suggests that the iPad's Retina display is of poor quality. Not true at all.

Samsung is reaching out of desperation.

I've just watched this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eEG5LVXdKo

It is a video of all of the 66 PC/Mac ads that Apple made for the US market. There are numerous ones which either:

1. Drastically oversimplify the situation to Apple's benefit
2. Conveniently omit areas in which PCs are superior
3. Present "worst case" scenarios of PC ownership
4. Lie by omission.
5. Exaggerate significantly, both the benefits of OS X and the shortcomings of Windows.
 
Depends on the task in question. Also depends on the job's demands. Having worked in the software industry for almost 20 years I can tell you that the average person doesn't understand or use multi-tasking. It's confusing for them until they have a recipe style script worked out in their head to navigate between applications. And they hate doing it. A well designed app that has good transitions to information without requiring a visual/cognitive context change will always be regarded as better than having to switch to other applications. If you research human factors you'll find that theme to be pretty common.

Very good response. I often forget how slow and belabored working with technology is for a LOT of people.

I had a similar experience with PCs recently: I tried using a windows laptop after years of using my mac. I was amazed-- it was simply inconceivable to me that trackpad and gesture support could be that bad on a windows laptop, and that people would still buy it. On a mac, gestures are an integral and unconscious part of my workflow, and they speed things up immensely. I had just assumed other laptops that people apparently liked would support these things.

Similar thing here. I'm used to copy-pasting into Evernote little clippings from PDFs, usually in screen-clip image format (since they're often math equations, the text comes out poorly). Seems like such a simple task: I have two windows open (pdf and Evernote), and I can copy and paste between them. Great! I'll just do that on a tablet, plus I'll get to actually write on these Evernote notes with a pen! Except this apparently simple task is not straightforwardly supported by any tablet. I had just assumed something like this would be a feature that people would want.
 
Samsung tablets aren't half bad. I actually quite like them. However they lack apps which is why I have an ipad.

The bit at the end of the ad where the lady says"retina thingy" and the other lady just smiles was hilarious.

This commercial is no different than the mac vs pc ads.
 
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Not to derail this awesome thread...:D...but I have a Panasonic Plasma. I'm not an LCD guy and Samsung's Plasma TV's get a lot of complaints for brightness jumps, issues with black level, color uniformity which are the same complaints they get on the LCD forum as well. Sadly Panasonic (which is the better Plasma) is leaving or has left the Plasma business.

You know what I remember in this forum?

I remember the days before Samsung was a serious competitor to Apple in the smart phone market.

I remember numerous threads on these forums which pretty much went like this:

1. Apple releases product
2. Pretty soon, people work out that Apple is sourcing the same parts from different suppliers (especially SSD and display panels)
3. People ranting for pages and pages and threads and threads about how terrible this is because the Samsung screens were better than the LG screens and the Samsung SSD significantly outperformed the Toshiba SSDs
4. People actually returned multiple units until they got the holy grail - the Samsung panel and SSD.

Flash forward a few years, Samsung is the major competitor of Apple and Apple has removed Samsung from their supply chain as much as possible. Now these same people rant for pages and pages and threads and threads about how terrible Samsung is and how they are actually happier with their (in reality) second tier LG display because Samsung panels are crappy anyways, just as everything else they make is....

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
The only difference is that you don't like what these are saying. They're both entertaining.

I don't know. Being a PC user for pretty much the entire run of the Mac vs PC ads, I would say the ad campaigns have very different tones and it is not just a matter of not liking what they say as I was/am on the receiving/targeted end for both campaigns.
 
Uh, CNET awarded Samsung the "best overall picture quality that you can buy". PC Magazine awarded the 46" and 60" models as Editors Choice. Engadget gave one model a score of 88, another a score of 92, etc. Consumer Reports called the 55" OLED, "arguably the best all-around TV we've ever tested, with the highest overall picture-quality scores and no major shortcomings." And that's just what I came up with in a couple seconds of Google magic.

Is that enough reviews for you? Get a grip. Start being objective.
Unfortunately, the world's best TV maker dropped them completely years ago. And the 2nd best did, too. The 3rd best dropped their best models this winter and don't seem to be making anything to stand out, anymore. Yay, Samsung still exists. So, now it looks like they are the best, but it's by attrition.

Thank god for projectors or I'd be crying over the ****** state of TVs today.
 
Are you kidding, getting a short fat nerd to represent the pc and a thin hip teenager to represent the mac totally insulted all pc users. Apple is way worse than anybody in these ads.

But if you took it that way, wouldnt you also be insulted that Apple are insinuating as a Mac user you must be a humourless snarky hipster? :p
 
what a douchy commercial. It's ads like this that make people who don't own galaxy devices never what to buy them.
Also at least show off more than one feature. I loved the eye tracking software in my s3 that would keep the screen on if I was reading something, w/out having to touch it, but most "S" features are gimmicky and rarely get used.
This is almost as bad, as there ski ad for the galaxy watch
 
Apple's commercials are classy, these are trashy. :apple:

These commercials have the same approach as the Mac vs PC commercial where a young "cool" looking hip dressed guy representing the mac has conversations with a oversized geek looking boldly guy representing the PC.

But because those are made by Apple means that that these commercials should be considered to be classy as well...

Ah well... the reality is, of course, that's it's all in the eye of beholder. You're a die-hard-fan of Apple others are die-hard-fans of other brands. Me personally, I don't find these matters a bit interesting at all, as long a device does it's thing what I want it to do; the immature and childish brand versus brand chit chat's -which is better- I leave to others.
 
I guess it's impossible to imagine a world where people use more than one company's tech.

My point isn't that people can't or shouldn't use more than one company's products - but that this site has become some kind of battle ground of Apple vs fill in the blank competitor.

For those of us who have been around since punch card computers, the anti-Apple hatred for what seems like no good reason is par for the course. Apple clearly has a very polarizing effect on people and I'm not exactly sure why that is. People either love them or hate them. There isn't a lot of middle ground from what I've experienced.

Macrumors, by its very name, would suggest it was a gathering place for people to learn about all things Apple, but what it, and most of the the other Apple-biased sites, has seemingly become is a place where Apple aficionados are constantly defending Apple against those that seem to have some deep seated hatred for them.

If you're a fan of the Green Bay Packers, do you go to a Bears fan website to tell them how your team is by far better because of X or Y player?

If you're a republican, are you going to democratic biased sites to tell them your position is the obvious better one?

There is nothing wrong with lively debate on any subject, but this very common battle between Apple vs non-Apple here just gets old.
 
It is just an ad.

The issue that it is not entirely factual and is arguably is slightly misleading, is constant with all advertising.

I see nothing wrong with pointing out features [or lack of], or comparisons which make me think about my own product choices, even if I dismiss it for what it actually is...

Just another an ad.
 
Its a commercial for heaven sake, if it makes you think that the product advertised is better than the one you own then go out and buy it, if it doesn't then keep your original device.

Why on earth so many people get upset about an advert that jibes a finger at a company that one has no connection to other than owning one or more of its products is beyond me.

I have an iPad mini, MBP, couple of iPod classics and a Nexus 5, previous phones were SGS3, iP5, SGS4. I quite enjoyed the advert, TBH, as much as I enjoy the Apple adverts. For the moment I'm more than happy with my iPad mini (1st gen).
 
But if you took it that way, wouldnt you also be insulted that Apple are insinuating as a Mac user you must be a humourless snarky hipster? :p

Yep. I would assume a lot of people on here are of a certain age and didn't live through the ascension of Microsoft and their very crappy way of forcing poorly thought out systems and operations onto everyone using PC's.

I didn't see the PC guy as representing the PC user, because that is not how the commercials were done. I was one of the people who spent 8-10 hours a day at work on a PC (but exclusively used a Mac at home) so I could totally appreciate the Mac vs PC ads, because I suffered all the things that Apple played off of using a PC.

The Samsung ads are different as they are making the Apple (or MS) user look bad. Compare them to Amazon's ads where they show their product vs the Apple product and they're pointing out very real usage issues that people have with the iPad. The iPad user isn't taking the brunt of the attack because anyone that owns an iPad knows that reading them in direct sunlight is problematic at best.
 
For those of us who have been around since punch card computers, the anti-Apple hatred for what seems like no good reason is par for the course. Apple clearly has a very polarizing effect on people and I'm not exactly sure why that is. People either love them or hate them. There isn't a lot of middle ground from what I've experienced.

I think this polarization that you're mentioning does exist but more on forums about Apple and forum where discussions take place about Samsung for instance. Many people like to hold on to one product brand, like many do with Nike and some others with other clothing brands or shoes manufacturers. It has always existed just like Apple versus PC and the other way around.

I'm one of these people starting off using mac in the days when Apple was insignificant in size compared with companies like Windows or even IBM. I always had both good and bad experiences with the mac, and in those days more crashes with a mac on daily bases then I have now in a whole year. So lot's have been improved, but also it's competitors. I never understood though, like you, why some people make a fuzz out of it. Of course I understood that some liked Apple more then other products and visa versa, but I never understood this fanboy approach some people have. I think Apple's are great but they, it's OSX environment does have it flaws, just as any other OS has it's bad sides and good. Same count for the hardware, if you're a die-hard gamer you'll be simply nuts if you pay so much money on the new mac pro which is no match for it's PC gaming counterpart and the PC cost less in this context as well. When it comes to video rendering, well yes the Mac Pro is, without any doubt, a very solid machine, but again, for even a bit less you'll have a h*ll of a PC with even faster rendering stats.

Personally, it comes down to weather you like the eco system of Apple or not. The Apple's hardware as well as software in the fields of Video Editing, Animation or in the field of developing games is for sure not the no1 choice or, at most, just as good choice when compared to it's rivals.

Meaning, in 2014 there is no such thing as this machine is way better then that machine. Same counts for the little devises, yes the iPad is limited in various ways when compared to those of Samsung, but the iPad have other things the Samsung or other devices can't offer. One might state: name some! But that's the thing, it's not that one device can do the exact same things as any other device, the differences do exist but the question for "me" that matters would be: what do YOU want with it. Hack, if you only like to type out a manuscript in a .txt format then an very old PC worth 100 bucks will do the job. If you would love to do high-end stuff with a machine then both PC's and Mac's will do the job for you. Same for Pads. Most people using these devices, i.m.h.o, for silly things like Facebook, chit chat about things with other so called social online friends thinking the stuff they are debating actually matters. I see tons of kids typing constantly on their samsung devices or iPhones just to be in contact with others. Surely, all the things they do matters to them for sure but in reality don't matter that much. And all these different brands will do the job for them, you can what's-app on a samsung, ipad, iphone, on a microsoft pad and on most other brands devises not mentioned here.

Instead of realizing that this is the reality in 2014 some people actually still think that Apple or Samsung is ruling the industry but if you look at it in the whole context then there is simply one conclusion: they all ruling the industry. Apple hasn't and will not be able to paten having useless text conversations on whatever device you can think of. Neither can Samsung paten that. Working in the professional field of editing and design like I'm currently there is just one question that matters: will this device and software does what it says it would do and do we need it? Sometimes Apple will deliver, sometimes a PC. It would be very narrow minded and quite silly of me to exclude a brand, doesn't matter which one, just because I'm emotional attached to one brand.


Macrumors, by its very name, would suggest it was a gathering place for people to learn about all things Apple, but what it, and most of the the other Apple-biased sites, has seemingly become is a place where Apple aficionados are constantly defending Apple against those that seem to have some deep seated hatred for them.

And the other way around you should add..

If you're a fan of the Green Bay Packers, do you go to a Bears fan website to tell them how your team is by far better because of X or Y player?

If you're a republican, are you going to democratic biased sites to tell them your position is the obvious better one?

There is nothing wrong with lively debate on any subject, but this very common battle between Apple vs non-Apple here just gets old.

Old and hardly relevant indeed in 2014 i.m.h.o.
 
Samsung tablet user: "Hey, what's that?"
iPad user: "It's my iPad Air. What's your tablet?"
S: "It's a Samsung Galaxy Tab Pro Desire Waffle Waffle 10.1.4.2. What OS does yours use?"
i: "iOS 7. What's your tablet use?"
S: "Android 4.4."
i: "Hasn't Android 4.4.2 been out for a few months now?"
S: "Yes, I'm getting the update... any... day... now..."
i: *bashes the state of Android software releases, especially those from Samsung*
 
I mean the Mac vs PC ads were actually funny/entertaining. These are just attacks. Really. Same **** different desperate gasp for air.

No actually this is exactly the same, they were poking fun directly at windows mentioning more or less true facts; These were entertaining to you, because you were probably on the mac side ;)

I really think apple should take care about a multi window feature. The display quality is more than having more pixels though.
 
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