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Samsung Confirmed to Produce A9 Chips for Apple's Next-Generation Devices

Keirasplace said:
The very fact you mentioned "bendgate" as a supposedly serious issue means I can't trust ANYTHING you say from now on; probably just here to push buttons (seeing your other posts, I'd call that definitive).

Most of the so called issues are resolved in the store quickly and people are on their merry way; that's why Apple buyers buy Apple products again. The fact that Apple phones have a very high resale value, even 4 year phones, tells you everything you need to know about Iphone's reliability. My own phone is a 3GS BTW.
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Even if the issues with ip6+ bending were not that big it is a fact that company which is solely in business of premium electronics sitting on stockpile of cash should not be allowed to do such mistakes.
Samsung on the other hand does everything from refrigerators to guns :p
 
holydude said:
Even if the issues with ip6+ bending were not that big it is a fact that company which is solely in business of premium electronics sitting on stockpile of cash should not be allowed to do such mistakes.
Samsung on the other hand does everything from refrigerators to guns :p
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THERE WAS NO ISSUE. That's it. The fact they sold 75M in that quarter (50% more than the year before) and probably 55M in the next (also 50% more) tells you how "worried" people are about that pseudo-crap that gained traction mainly as vaudeville clown like trick to gain clicks from one guy (and he's made a lot of money from Youtube with that, so from his perspective, it was worth it breaking several phones).

That you even mention this as point of contention, means your driving an agenda.

As for Samsung, they do make many things very poorly. I had a $1500 HD TV die in 2005 (not a flatscreen, tube ones, 4 year old)) and a washing machine need big repairs in 2006 and die 2 years later (8 year old). Both died at less than half their usual lifetime. No Apple products I've ever had did that. Not buying any of Samsung products again.

Resale value on old Apple devices is at least twice that of old Samsung devices, that should tell you what people think about Apple products reliability and durability.
 
xARx2 said:
With the funds Apple has, why don't they build a plant for in-house manufacturing of chips?
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Yea, they apparently tried it with Sapphire Crystal and they know what it means to manufacturing at the highest quality with the cheapest labor, by now.
 
mozumder said:
It's more like $10 billion these days.

But, the rewards can be great indeed if they do decide to build their own fab.

In particular, if they invest heavily in R&D, they may be able to leapfrog other vendors' technologies.

If they start now they would be looking at 5nm. I doubt other vendors are going to hit that within 5 years.

Offering a CPU/GPU/DRAM/FLASH built with a technology process node a generation ahead of other vendors is a compelling advantage.

But if you think of process technology as a commodity, where you and your competitors have equal technology, then, yes, using an outside foundry is more efficient.

Building a fab all depends on if you think you can invest enough in R&D to leapfrog the standard foundries. It's all just R&D investment money at this point (process development is expensive.. you need to run thousands of experiments to get at the right process..)
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Apple, because of its massive volume, often gets the best of both world, they get dibs on the foundries productions blocking out much of the competition for parts of the year (Samsung got it first here, because they release earlier).

Getting past 10nm (or pseudo 10nm, cause lets face it, those process names mean nothing now) will take a huge investment with a dubious increase in processor efficiency for most uses. For Samsung, it is worth it because they also sell memory to just about everyone.

In fact, if battery efficiency increased significantly, process improvement would become a lot less useful past 10nm.

For Apple to get in foundries would mean them getting into chip selling business (or the contract fab). Because you don't want to throw away your "old" last year process once you move on to the new one, and keeping the factories working at full tilt takes a lot of volume. That's how it works between Samsung semi and Samsung' mobile divisions.
 
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rampancy said:
I love the A-10. The epitome of the perfect combat airplane. Cheap, rugged, and you'd better pray to your deity of choice that you're not on the business end of its depleted uranium-spewing GAU-8. Anyway...
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Yeah... that plane just looks like terrifying coming at you, and if you are lucky enough to see it flying away from you, then thank your lucky stars.
The thing is, it's not just a matter of matching Samsung or Intel's fab process (and just as importantly, their fab capacity). It's also a matter of matching and/or exceeding what they have coming in their roadmap, and that takes a huge amount of money and expertise -- more than even Apple could possibly muster (short of them gaining a coup and hiring all of Intel/Samsung's chief engineers).
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At $159B, Apple could buy Intel, but there are other costs of that as well, chief among them is the culture at Intel vs. the culture at Apple.

But, as I said, and others have said in this article, just because you can doesn't mean you should. There is great value in being the customer of another company, rather than your own customer in terms of leverage.
 
Ramchi said:
Yea, they apparently tried it with Sapphire Crystal and they know what it means to manufacturing at the highest quality with the cheapest labor, by now.
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They invested in the Sapphire maker, didn't run it; so the comment is bizarre
This was in the US, with pretty expensive US labor; but labor costs were not a factor here (though their expertise maybe was).

The failure was in the reliability of the ovens and the duplicity of management.
 
holydude said:
Even if the issues with ip6+ bending were not that big it is a fact that company which is solely in business of premium electronics sitting on stockpile of cash should not be allowed to do such mistakes.
Samsung on the other hand does everything from refrigerators to guns :p
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Mistakes, like making a device that, when sat upon with over 100lbs of force, bends at the part with the least metal structure to avoid such issues?

To quote Scotty, "I can't change the laws of physics, Jim."
 
Keirasplace said:
THERE WAS NO ISSUE. That's it. The fact they sold 75M in that quarter (50% more than the year before) and probably 55M in the next (also 50% more) tells you how "worried" people are about that pseudo-crap that gained traction mainly as vaudeville clown like trick to gain clicks from one guy (and he's made a lot of money from Youtube with that, so from his perspective, it was worth it breaking several phones).

That you even mention this as point of contention, means your driving an agenda.

As for Samsung, they do make many things very poorly. I had a $1500 HD TV die in 2005 (not a flatscreen, tube ones, 4 year old)) and a washing machine need big repairs in 2006 and die 2 years later (8 year old). Both died at less than half their usual lifetime. No Apple products I've ever had did that. Not buying any of Samsung products again.

Resale value on old Apple devices is at least twice that of old Samsung devices, that should tell you what people think about Apple products reliability and durability.
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I am terribly sorry for insulting your god. I hope you will be happy with your samsung components in everything you use ;-)
 
But doesn't Apple realize that if Samsung is producing their A9 chip, they will know everything and anything about future devices Apple is working on, what software features are coming, what hardware and materials are being used in all of their devices.

Note: I am being 100% sarcastic based on previous posts in other threads
 
'breaking news! Apple uses the best supplier that gave the most competitive quote for components. Fanboys all over the world gasp in horror as Apple once again makes a sound business decision and ignores the advice of unqualified forum members. More whining to follow'
 
holydude said:
Sorry but i feel the same and i am very pro-apple. Samsung highend phones will sell a lot because their target audience is the whole world not only the US/China.

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Still...the ecosystem apple has built is far superior. Most people do not check speed tests and benchmarks and if they do they are looking for value/money products and they will end up with buying some Xiaomi or Meizu or some other chinese phone.

People buying iphones are buying it because of experience, because the ecosystem is profitable for everyone (for consumers but for developers as well).

I myself am willing to sacrifice these because of
1) samsung really built a very good phone in terms of HW and look
2) samsung pay...i really hope it will work in europe with our terminals
3) iphone 6+ has an inferior hw and it would be just a bad investment ( i am not a loaded american who can afford to buy a new phone every year)
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Americans aren't loaded, they load up their credit cards, that's how they live, besides they only pay $100 or $200 upfront for the phone, or in some cases nothing upfront.
When Netfix went fro $8 to $9 a month they lost nearly half of their customers till they dropped the price again.
 
Cuban Missles said:
the A9 chip may surprise with 128bit compared with the 64 bit A8. and still all apps are 32bit and the iPhone still only has 1meg ram. perfect/
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The A9 will most likely be in IOS devices in Sept 2016. By then we will be using IOS 10 (64 bit) and the new apps should all be 64 bit. I also doubt that the A9 will be 128 bit.
 
HobeSoundDarryl said:
Only when anything is at odds with Apple. When Apple is endorsing anything- even if it was formerly (or even currently) at odds with anything- we flip it back to love. The primary rule is:
-whatever Apple is against or is against Apple, we're against.
-whatever Apple is for or is for Apple, we're for.

Classic Examples:
-Patent system is broken when a patent is working against Apple. Patents are meant "to protect intellectual capital" when a patent is working for Apple.
-Analyst is stupid when he says something negative about Apple. Analyst is quoted and referenced when he says something positive.
-Big screen phones are abominations, stupid, "99% don't want" when Apple is endorsing small screens. Then Apple goes to big screens and they are the "best iPhones ever".
-NFC is a gimmick, 99% don't need, "my credit cards work fine" when Apple doesn't implement it. Then Apple implements it and we want to boycott stores who won't let us pay with Apple pay.

Personally, I'm with many here who know that Samsung makes great guts for Apple hardware. I'd much rather get any Apple product built upon Samsung guts than hope for "as good" with someone else's. Glad to see this for the next iPhone.
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YES!! Comment of the year!

This is exactly how most macrumors posters are. They are just so blinded by Apple that it's ridiculous. Read again those "classic examples"... everyone is laughing at you.
 
holydude said:
I am terribly sorry for insulting your god. I hope you will be happy with your samsung components in everything you use ;-)
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I don't care a crap about tech on a personal level (who would?); I've owned $1100 of Apple products in my whole long life (currently own a 3GS and an Air 2).

I do care about someone claiming detachment and being unbiased, passive aggressively pushing a point way beyond facts; which you proved doubly by not defending your argument and going directly to an insult.

Putting a ";-)" doesn't make you less intellectually bankrupt btw. Coming from someone who feels the need to self reference themselves as "holy" in their screen name, any mention of "god" comes off as highly ironic... Have fun talking to yourself.
 
RockSpider said:
No not everything, just the idea that they are beyond reproach and that they have invented everything and make everything better than everyone else.
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Name ONE person that has this opinion.

This is just a straw-man argument made by Apple haters so they can feel good about hating Apple. Nobody believes Apple 'invented everything' AND that 'Apple can do no evil' and that Apple 'is better than everyone else'.
 
Samsung will make the a9 at 14nm but I read it has sampled 10nm already and they will use that in the gs7 and note 6.
 
I just wonder how much salary for a shill earn.. like creating many accounts just to up his post.. Hahaha! Or just a full fanatic? Hope its a shill at least he earn some.
 
Where are all the shortsighted posters who have proclaimed in the past that they "would never buy anything made by Samsung again" only to then pick and choose what that empty threat actually means?
 
RockSpider said:
I'm getting confused, I thought we hated anything to do with Samsung.
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We do , until we get a device that has non Samsung components and complain that it is inferior to the same device with Samsung components
 
Maybe this will be the chip for the Intel replacement and roll out all future computers to the A9. They've lowered the performance bar that the A9 will eventually look better.
 
GuitarDTO said:
Well, they (Samsung) make good, quality components so not surprising.
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Because, if you read your Apple history...

You'll know that one of the first things that Tim Cook did when Jobs hired him was get rid of Apple's manufacturing facilities. It's one of the things that's made them one of the most profitable companies in history. Their job is to conceive and design great products and services. There are other companies, such as Samsung that are better at manufacturing the components that go into those products, and they take on the risks and vagaries of doing so.
 
H2SO4 said:
Your first paragraph may need re-writing.

RS does say positive things about Apple as well as some negative things. Generally, that’s the mark of a balanced opinion. They don’t blindly praise/ignore flaws.
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His posting history is very heavily weighted towards negative comments, and he consistently calls out people that make positive comments about Apple, and never people that make negative comments.

And it's his right to make those kind of comments, but it's not the mark of a balanced opinion by any means.
 
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