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Well that because they don't care about Apple's future, they only care about profits! Why Tim Cook care about Steve Jobs's company?

I am long time Samsung hater, but even i have to admit that the Samsung Galaxy S6 and Edge is better than iPhone 6 - Plus..why do you think Apple starts working directly on iPhone 7? because they are afraid..they know they can't compete the same iPhone 6 design

also i know Steve Jobs flaws, but please don't compare him with others..he was so much better!

Long time Samsung hater eh? Was that before they started paying you to post comments like this?
 
Long time Samsung hater eh? Was that before they started paying you to post comments like this?


Why so much hate ? :p
Apple sells experience. Samsung sells products.
Samsung galaxy s6 is much better than the ip6/+ but the overall experience is still much worse
 
Wake me up when they start producing 450nm chips

Did you mean 450mm Wafers?

Or you mean 450nm feature sizes? I think they jumped from 500nm to 350nm between 1995 and 1998. The original Pentium and Pentium II (also Pentium Pro) used those process nodes. That was back when computers were getting 88% faster each year! Good old primitive times.
 
I read that Bloomberg blog. But it has way too many factual errors and not enough credibility. The blog writers Jungah Lee and Ian King did not do their homework. There is no independent collaboration of the fact from other technology analysts either.

First of all, the article cite TSMC CEO, Morris Chang's quote that TSMC was falling behind in terms of N16. But that comment was from 2 financial quarters back from an investor meeting. Not only is that comment current anymore; the writers also did not cite latest March yield result from analysts.

The blog also cited that to spread risk Apple also contracted 14nm Global Foundaries which "licensed 14nm technology from Samsung." That is just plain incorrect. The 14nm technology that both Samsung and Global Foundaries uses was developed by IBM Microelectronics. Samsung and Global Foundaries (formerly AMD) joined IBM to combat the dominance of TSMC about ~10 years ago. Recently Global Foundaries has agreed to purchase IBM Microelectronics now that IBM is getting out of the chip business, so all of the 14nm patents now belongs to Global Foundries. In fact Samsung has to pay a license fee to Global Foundries going forward.

Based on these two facts, I think these Bloomberg blog writers don't understand enough about the semiconductor business to make a credible comment. There are not multiple analysts from different security firms commenting on the same thing is a big red flag.

The 14nm process used by Samsung and GF was developed by Samsung. It's right there on GF's official website.
http://www.globalfoundries.com/news...ering-of-14nm-finfet-semiconductor-technology

"Developed by Samsung and licensed to GLOBALFOUNDRIES, the 14nm FinFET process..."

It is GF that's licensing 14nm from Samsung, not the other way around.

Why so much hate ? :p
Apple sells experience. Samsung sells products.
Samsung galaxy s6 is much better than the ip6/+ but the overall experience is still much worse

How is the overall experience much worse? I used the S6 and S6 Edge at Best Buy the other day and it made any phone Apple made feel as cheap as a Honda or Kia.
The UI was also super smooth.

Samsung was originally limited in design and build materials in previous phones because they were trying to balance utility with form. Now that Samsung is using the same philosophy Apple is using (Form over function), we see Samsung's true potential with the S6 and S6 Edge. And frankly, as an Apple fan, I gotta say I don't think even Apple will trump Samsung in design and build quality. That S6 Edge screams beauty and class.
 
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I'm getting confused, I thought we hated anything to do with Samsung.

You are confused. We hate Samsung's mobile division. We love Samsung's semiconductor division. Samsung's semiconductor division hates Samsung's mobile division (because the mobile division through their cheating and copying caused lots of trouble with the semiconductor division's biggest and most profitable customer).

And if you look at the numbers, we are not the only ones: Samsung's mobile division is in the dumpster, with revenues dropping, and profits collapsing (that's what you call it when your profits drop by 70%). The semiconductor part is right now what keeps Samsung going; they are the only part of the business that has grown both in revenue and profit. So Samsung shareholders also hate Samsung's mobile division and love Samsung's semiconductor division.
 
You are confused. We hate Samsung's mobile division. We love Samsung's semiconductor division. Samsung's semiconductor division hates Samsung's mobile division (because the mobile division through their cheating and copying caused lots of trouble with the semiconductor division's biggest and most profitable customer).

And if you look at the numbers, we are not the only ones: Samsung's mobile division is in the dumpster, with revenues dropping, and profits collapsing (that's what you call it when your profits drop by 70%). The semiconductor part is right now what keeps Samsung going; they are the only part of the business that has grown both in revenue and profit. So Samsung shareholders also hate Samsung's mobile division and love Samsung's semiconductor division.

I think Samsung Mobile will hit record profits with the S6 and S6 Edge, frankly. I'm a long-time Apple fan and even I think the S6 edge feels better in hand than the iPhone as well as looking WAY better. All my Apple fan friends agree.
I regret actually touching it now, because it's making my iPhone 6 feel like a cheap Honda or Kia.
Rumors also state pre-orders are at an all-time high, and this was before US pre-orders went up.

I also think Apple will be in trouble moving to the future. Apple might not be able to make a phone that looks as good as the S6 Edge and they played their last card copying Samsung with the iPhone Galaxy. They have nothing major up their sleeves, which is why they rushed out the iWatch to make up for expected future losses in profit.
 
You really think they haven't considered this? Bottom line, I'm sure their analysis showed that it wouldn't be as profitable as outsourcing. They're not a manufacturing company.

Mostly, it would be dangerous. If Samsung and/or TSMC mess up, that wouldn't be nice for Apple's customers, but it wouldn't be a problem for Apple, because they would get the same chips as everyone else. If Apple builds its own factory, that is a big risk. If that factory messes up, Apple would be in trouble.

Even if Apple could do this, why would they? It would be very, very difficult to reach the point where this would actually save Apple money. Much, much more profitable to improve iPhones so that more people buy them.

I think Samsung Mobile will hit record profits with the S6 and S6 Edge, frankly. I'm a long-time Apple fan and even I think the S6 edge feels better in hand than the iPhone as well as looking WAY better. All my Apple fan friends agree.

Check your watch. It's April 3rd, not April 1st. Samsung isn't competing with Apple anymore. They are competing with all the myriads of Android phone makers, and having a tough time. They don't have the billions to spend on marketing anymore, which was the only thing that actually sold their phones.
 
Mostly, it would be dangerous. If Samsung and/or TSMC mess up, that wouldn't be nice for Apple's customers, but it wouldn't be a problem for Apple, because they would get the same chips as everyone else. If Apple builds its own factory, that is a big risk. If that factory messes up, Apple would be in trouble.

Even if Apple could do this, why would they? It would be very, very difficult to reach the point where this would actually save Apple money. Much, much more profitable to improve iPhones so that more people buy them.



Check your watch. It's April 3rd, not April 1st. Samsung isn't competing with Apple anymore. They are competing with all the myriads of Android phone makers, and having a tough time. They don't have the billions to spend on marketing anymore, which was the only thing that actually sold their phones.

What makes you think Apple will sustain those high sales next year once everyone has an iPhone Galaxy and sees no reason to upgrade?
What's even worse for Apple is its customers moving to the S6 Edge since Apple won't be able to design a phone as nice and good-feeling as the S6 Edge. The iWatch was rushed because Apple expects a large profit drop in the coming years. The fact that Apple is doing an Android trade-in program now is a warning sign that Apple is deeply worried about the S6, and they should be. The S6 feels like a true premium phone while the iPhone 6 feels like a cheap used car. As an Apple fan, I am a bit angry that Samsung trounced Apple in build quality and design. At first I was in denial when I first saw it at Best Buy, but now I'm just angry. In time, I'll probably get over my anger and buy the S6 Edge.

You're thinking way too short-term.
 
The iWatch was rushed because Apple expects a large profit drop in the coming years. The fact that Apple is doing an Android trade-in program now is a warning sign that Apple is deeply worried about the S6, and they should be. The S6 feels like a true premium phone while the iPhone 6 feels like a cheap used car. :(
You're thinking way too short-term.


iWatch doesn't exist (the product you are referring to is called the Apple Watch), iPhone feels cheap? lol Samsung shill
 
Apple must have reasons not to make their own chip plant.
Its a "make or buy" situation. Apple made some maths and probably think that is not worth it to make it so they buy from a suplier(Samsung)
Although I think its funny this whole situation between apple v.s. samsung.
No matter who started the "fight" one thing we know for sure: that samsung is copying the iphone design more and more.
 
iWatch doesn't exist, iPhone feels cheap? lol Samsung shill

It does feel cheap after using the S6 and S6 Edge. It also looks ugly compared to the S6 Edge.
The iPhone 6 just doesn't look and feel premium anymore. :confused:
I predict the iPhone 6S to disappoint customers, which will drive up S6/Edge sales even higher and cause iPhone sales to decline.
Apple's profit decline starts this year. Time to sell.

Apple must have reasons not to make their own chip plant.
Its a "make or buy" situation. Apple made some maths and probably think that is not worth it to make it so they buy from a suplier(Samsung)
Although I think its funny this whole situation between apple v.s. samsung.
No matter who started the "fight" one thing we know for sure: that samsung is copying the iphone design more and more.

lol? How in the world does the S6 Edge look like the iPhone? Are you mad that Samsung completely owned Apple in design? Don't worry, I was too. I got over it and so will you.
 
It does feel cheap after using the S6 and S6 Edge. It also looks ugly compared to the S6 Edge.
The iPhone 6 just doesn't look and feel premium anymore. :confused:



lol? How in the world does the S6 Edge look like the iPhone?

I see your point but the durability of Samsung products its horrible from TV´s, cellphones and refrigerators. I had bad experiences with Samsung in the past.
And I see many cases of people complaining about their galaxies issues. Iphone is much more reliable.
 
I see your point but the durability of Samsung products its horrible from TV´s, cellphones and refrigerators. I had bad experiences with Samsung in the past.
And I see many cases of people complaining about their galaxies issues. Iphone is much more reliable.

Well, Apple is no better, in my opinion. Almost every single iPhone has some major defect. Antennaegate, Wifried and Bendgate come to mind.

Where did you see the S6 and S6 Edge as it's not out until 10th April?

Best Buy. They've had them on display since last week.
 
It does feel cheap after using the S6 and S6 Edge. It also looks ugly compared to the S6 Edge.
The iPhone 6 just doesn't look and feel premium anymore. :confused:
I predict the iPhone 6S to disappoint customers, which will drive up S6/Edge sales even higher and cause iPhone sales to decline.
Apple's profit decline starts this year. Time to sell.



lol? How in the world does the S6 Edge look like the iPhone? Are you mad that Samsung completely owned Apple in design? Don't worry, I was too. I got over it and so will you.

The whole idea of the new samsung galaxy S6 is based on the iphone 6.
Did u pay attention to the microphone and pluig in AC power?
 
The whole idea of the new samsung galaxy S6 is based on the iphone 6.
Did u pay attention to the microphone and pluig in AC power?

OH NOES!!! SAMSUNG PUT THE AUDIO PORT ON THE BOTTOM!!! THE HORROR!!!

Do we Apple fans have nothing better to do than to point out minute design similarities between the iPhone 6 and the S6? Other tech companies have fans that talk about real technology, yet we're here talking about non-issues like audio jack placement.

How pathetic must Apple's contributions to the tech industry be if the only thing we complain about is how other companies placed the audio jack at the bottom and not the top?

Hell, even those gaming nerds over at System Wars talk about APU design differences between the PS4 and Xbox ONE even if what they're arguing about is petty and trivial, but you guys take it to a whole other level when it comes to pettiness.

By your logic, Apple is copying Samsung with the dual-row speaker holes on the bottom.
Apple Maps is a shameless, inferior rip-off of Google Maps.

I admit that the S6 looks similar to the iPhone 6 from the bottom, but the similarities end there. Stop being so petty.
 
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The 14nm process used by Samsung and GF was developed by Samsung. It's right there on GF's official website.
http://www.globalfoundries.com/news...ering-of-14nm-finfet-semiconductor-technology

"Developed by Samsung and licensed to GLOBALFOUNDRIES, the 14nm FinFET process..."

It is GF that's licensing 14nm from Samsung, not the other way around.



How is the overall experience much worse? I used the S6 and S6 Edge at Best Buy the other day and it made any phone Apple made feel as cheap as a Honda or Kia.
The UI was also super smooth.

Samsung was originally limited in design and build materials in previous phones because they were trying to balance utility with form. Now that Samsung is using the same philosophy Apple is using (Form over function), we see Samsung's true potential with the S6 and S6 Edge. And frankly, as an Apple fan, I gotta say I don't think even Apple will trump Samsung in design and build quality. That S6 Edge screams beauty and class.

Sorry but iOS is still superior to Android and always will be :). HW might be supercool but without a proper OS it will be just a nice brick. But i trust samsung...they are koreans they will evolve. Did you know that they are heavily investing into software ? They are co-developing Servo and i hope they will push forward a new operating system written in Rust.


And about the cars...look up Kia k9 i would buy that over anything out there ;-)

But i am too poor so the best i can hope for is kia k5/optima lol

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I see your point but the durability of Samsung products its horrible from TV´s, cellphones and refrigerators. I had bad experiences with Samsung in the past.
And I see many cases of people complaining about their galaxies issues. Iphone is much more reliable.
Right tell me more about reliability of iphone with all these samsung components inside it ;-)
The point is Apple builds only high-end stuff while samsung makes everything.
 
Sorry but iOS is still superior to Android and always will be :). HW might be supercool but without a proper OS it will be just a nice brick. But i trust samsung...they are koreans they will evolve. Did you know that they are heavily investing into software ? They are co-developing Servo and i hope they will push forward a new operating system written in Rust.


And about the cars...look up Kia k9 i would buy that over anything out there ;-)

But i am too poor so the best i can hope for is kia k5/optima lol

Perhaps, but Android combined with S6 hardware beats out iOS with Apple's hardware.

The S6 is smoother and faster than the iPhone 6. Check speed tests.
Combine that with Android's phenomenal stability and you have yourself a winner.

And before any delusional Apple fan balks at the last sentence, here's a little study that'll make you red in anger: http://www.techtimes.com/articles/32936/20150216/android-5-0-lollipop-stable-ios-8-report.htm

Also, I don't know much about how recent Kia cars feel. I'm just going by their old cars. They may have improved significantly, but I think you get my ultimate point. The iPhone 6 just feels cheap and old compared to the S6 Edge. Think of the old 1990 American cars and a modern Sedan. The iPhone 6 and all other smartphones not named the S6 Edge are the former while the S6 Edge is the latter.

I also expect Apple to shamelessly rip-off Samsung's S6 Edge design in 2-3 years.
 
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Mostly, it would be dangerous. If Samsung and/or TSMC mess up, that wouldn't be nice for Apple's customers, but it wouldn't be a problem for Apple, because they would get the same chips as everyone else. If Apple builds its own factory, that is a big risk. If that factory messes up, Apple would be in trouble.

Even if Apple could do this, why would they? It would be very, very difficult to reach the point where this would actually save Apple money. Much, much more profitable to improve iPhones so that more people buy them.



Check your watch. It's April 3rd, not April 1st. Samsung isn't competing with Apple anymore. They are competing with all the myriads of Android phone makers, and having a tough time. They don't have the billions to spend on marketing anymore, which was the only thing that actually sold their phones.
Sorry but i feel the same and i am very pro-apple. Samsung highend phones will sell a lot because their target audience is the whole world not only the US/China.

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Perhaps, but Android combined with S6 hardware beats out iOS with Apple's hardware.

The S6 is smoother and faster than the iPhone 6. Check speed tests.
Combine that with Android's phenomenal stability and you have yourself a winner.

And before any delusional Apple fan balks at the last sentence, here's a little study that'll make you red in anger: http://www.techtimes.com/articles/32936/20150216/android-5-0-lollipop-stable-ios-8-report.htm
Still...the ecosystem apple has built is far superior. Most people do not check speed tests and benchmarks and if they do they are looking for value/money products and they will end up with buying some Xiaomi or Meizu or some other chinese phone.

People buying iphones are buying it because of experience, because the ecosystem is profitable for everyone (for consumers but for developers as well).

I myself am willing to sacrifice these because of
1) samsung really built a very good phone in terms of HW and look
2) samsung pay...i really hope it will work in europe with our terminals
3) iphone 6+ has an inferior hw and it would be just a bad investment ( i am not a loaded american who can afford to buy a new phone every year)
 
I'm no fan of Samsung but I think they know they have Apple over a barrel, don't forget it was Apple that started the war with Samsung.

Oh, right... Copying Apple'S design 6 year back (found to have done that in court) is not "starting a war"... Very selective memory.

Apple diversifying is only natural, they don't want just one supplier, especially considering they now sell 300M devices a year. If they weren't looking to get the best process every year, they easily could move all the operation out of Samsung's reach. They weren't using Samsung for most of their A8 production.

Both companies benefit from this, Apple money funds Samsung's chip development (essentially) and is thus immensely profitable to many areas inside Samsung (though not their mobile division seemingly...).
 
Oh, right... Copying Apple'S design 6 year back (found to have done that in court) is not "starting a war"... Very selective memory.

Apple diversifying is only natural, they don't want just one supplier, especially considering they now sell 300M devices a year. If they weren't looking to get the best process every year, they easily could move all the operation out of Samsung's reach. They weren't using Samsung for most of their A8 production.

Both companies benefit from this, Apple money funds Samsung's chip development (essentially) and is thus immensely profitable to many areas inside Samsung (though not their mobile division seemingly...).
Except that everytime Apple has tried to move away from samsung they had an extreme issues with meeting the deadlines and quality.

So it might not be that easy :p
 
Well, Apple is no better, in my opinion. Almost every single iPhone has some major defect. Antennaegate, Wifried and Bendgate come to mind.



Best Buy. They've had them on display since last week.

The very fact you mentioned "bendgate" as a supposedly serious issue means I can't trust ANYTHING you say from now on; probably just here to push buttons (seeing your other posts, I'd call that definitive).

Most of the so called issues are resolved in the store quickly and people are on their merry way; that's why Apple buyers buy Apple products again. The fact that Apple phones have a very high resale value, even 4 year phones, tells you everything you need to know about Iphone's reliability. My own phone is a 3GS BTW.
 
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