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My thought exactly.

Although I do waste time reading the comments on articles likes this... I need a new hobby... :p

The most annoying thing is that the thread has turned into a meta discussion, hating on people who hate, instead of saying something that is relevant to the actual topic.
 
I think Samsung Mobile will hit record profits with the S6 and S6 Edge, frankly. I'm a long-time Apple fan and even I think the S6 edge feels better in hand than the iPhone as well as looking WAY better. All my Apple fan friends agree.
I regret actually touching it now, because it's making my iPhone 6 feel like a cheap Honda or Kia.
Rumors also state pre-orders are at an all-time high, and this was before US pre-orders went up.

I also think Apple will be in trouble moving to the future. Apple might not be able to make a phone that looks as good as the S6 Edge and they played their last card copying Samsung with the iPhone Galaxy. They have nothing major up their sleeves, which is why they rushed out the iWatch to make up for expected future losses in profit.

haha, I wasn't sure if you were trolling, but i see you've been banned.

The iPhone 6 looks inspired by an iPod touch, unless you're referencing the 6 Plus's screen size. As Samsung reminded us in an ad, they've had big screens for ages, and have had plenty of time to conceive and implement the "next big thing".

Plus, I'm pretty sure Apple released the iPad years ago, which was labeled "just a big iPhone" at the time.

Features like removable battery, expandable memory, waterproofing, etc have been removed with the S6 for a more iPhone like design, going as far as adding "Samsung Pay"!

...and you accuse Apple of copying Samsung? I know this forum let's users express any opinion they want, but you wouldn't want flat-Earthers on a science forum, and we don't want idiots here.
 
I don't care a crap about tech on a personal level (who would?); I've owned $1100 of Apple products in my whole long life (currently own a 3GS and an Air 2).

I do care about someone claiming detachment and being unbiased, passive aggressively pushing a point way beyond facts; which you proved doubly by not defending your argument and going directly to an insult.

Putting a ";-)" doesn't make you less intellectually bankrupt btw. Coming from someone who feels the need to self reference themselves as "holy" in their screen name, any mention of "god" comes off as highly ironic... Have fun talking to yourself.
Oh for real ? Bro you are just taking it too seriously.
Both companies produce craps sometimes but they produce an incredible pieces of engineering as well.

And about the bendgate. Yes there were issues and apple could easily predict that by using better materials. But they did not. End of story. It might not have been a global ****up but they could prevent the faux pas by not being a cheaptards.

Oh and about the holy in my handle...i have chosen it just because i thought that such nickname will surely be free :p

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haha, I wasn't sure if you were trolling, but i see you've been banned.

The iPhone 6 looks inspired by an iPod touch, unless you're referencing the 6 Plus's screen size. As Samsung reminded us in an ad, they've had big screens for ages, and have had plenty of time to conceive and implement the "next big thing".

Plus, I'm pretty sure Apple released the iPad years ago, which was labeled "just a big iPhone" at the time.

Features like removable battery, expandable memory, waterproofing, etc have been removed with the S6 for a more iPhone like design, going as far as adding "Samsung Pay"!

...and you accuse Apple of copying Samsung? I know this forum let's users express any opinion they want, but you wouldn't want flat-Earthers on a science forum, and we don't want idiots here.

I do not think they have been removed for a more iPhone like design. Battery is gone because of fast charging, micro sd is gone because they have far superior internal storage in terms of r/w speeds and that because they wanted users force to pay for more expensive models + cloud, and the waterproofing yeah you are right here.

And calling it a Samsung Pay was a terrible idea which instead of strengthening the brand brought a shame on them. They should have used the name of the company the bough (LoopPay i believe?)).

You can hardly come up with something new and ground breaking. It is the implementation that matters not that it's all new and original.
 
Because making chips is HARD. You put a billion dollars up front and hope your engineers get it right or you get squat. There's no prize for making a 16 nm chip now, that's last year's model.

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Samsung can't seem to get a leash on their marketing dogs. They never had any business Apple-bashing because Samsung is playing both sides... You buy a Galaxy, they win... You buy an iPhone they still win a little less cause most of the important parts they make. If they'd have kept their mouths shut they'd be a lot richer and Apple wouldn't keep trying to cut them out.

Isn't that the truth. That's why it's so funny when Apple fanboys make fun of Samsung when Apple does so well with the iPhone. Samsung is in the back saying "keep those components rolling..our largest client just ordered another batch of 1 billion"

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Only when anything is at odds with Apple. When Apple is endorsing anything- even if it was formerly (or even currently) at odds with anything- we flip it back to love. The primary rule is:
-whatever Apple is against or is against Apple, we're against.
-whatever Apple is for or is for Apple, we're for.

Classic Examples:
-Patent system is broken when a patent is working against Apple. Patents are meant "to protect intellectual capital" when a patent is working for Apple.
-Analyst is stupid when he says something negative about Apple. Analyst is quoted and referenced when he says something positive.
-Big screen phones are abominations, stupid, "99% don't want" when Apple is endorsing small screens. Then Apple goes to big screens and they are the "best iPhones ever".
-NFC is a gimmick, 99% don't need, "my credit cards work fine" when Apple doesn't implement it. Then Apple implements it and we want to boycott stores who won't let us pay with Apple pay.

Personally, I'm with many here who know that Samsung makes great guts for Apple hardware. I'd much rather get any Apple product built upon Samsung guts than hope for "as good" with someone else's. Glad to see this for the next iPhone.

With the exception of a few non-biased posters, you pretty much summed it all.
 
No not everything, just the idea that they are beyond reproach and that they have invented everything and make everything better than everyone else. Apart from those things I do actually own Apple products.

I think you're confused. Apple has never stated any of that. That's in your head.
And if you feel otherwise please show proof where they stated they invented everything. If they stated they invented something, they actually did.

And Samsung, Sony, HP, B&O, Nike, BMW, Coke, Pepsi...etc doesn't act like they make everything better than everyone else? A company that's proud of their accomplishments should feel that way. It's obvious you're not self employed building your own business, because that's the proper mindset of an entrepreneur.

Apple at least has the ballz to take a losing product and turn it into a winner while their competitors take Apple's winning product and just copy it to make a quick buck.
 
Oh, right... Copying Apple'S design 6 year back (found to have done that in court) is not "starting a war"... Very selective memory.

Apple diversifying is only natural, they don't want just one supplier, especially considering they now sell 300M devices a year. If they weren't looking to get the best process every year, they easily could move all the operation out of Samsung's reach. They weren't using Samsung for most of their A8 production.

Both companies benefit from this, Apple money funds Samsung's chip development (essentially) and is thus immensely profitable to many areas inside Samsung (though not their mobile division seemingly...).
Relax...don't let them get you all worked up on the past.

No matter what any court decides, all players in the smartphone business today are building upon what was done before. Around the time Apple and Google started to enter this arena all the bits were there...just no one managed to put them together and reach the masses. I think the closest thing to the first iPhone and the Android models were the community modded XDA devices (for example there were some great mods for the HTC Diamond....ah nostalgia)

Anyway, my real point is that I am pretty sure, that here are a lot of posters with an agenda (be that simple fanboyism for a specific brand or maybe being paid by one of those brands) and those people will not react to logic or reason...you will never convince them even if what you say is undenyable truth.

So best don't waste your time on them and enjoy the current developement that is going on. Apple is bringing it's ecosystem along and even though some of their decisions are clearly not to my liking, they are offering a compelling experience for lots of people. Microsoft may be ready to be taken as a serious as a supplier of an enjoyable Experience as well (if they get Windows 10 Desktop and Mobile plus the Phones and Tablets right). Android is in a different league as they are not able to deliver the integration between mobile and desktop/company that Apple and MS...but let's be real, most users won't use those features anyway and a non-geek (so clearly no one reading this post) probably won't care.

And to sum this all up: As the little geek I am, I enjoy this time with fun new tech toys to play with every couple of months AND I could not care less for what company makes a profit from my sale as long as what they sell me delivers what I want.
Lets ditch the Apple TV for a FireTV if that currently offers you a better experience...and switch back when the table turns again...ah great times, great choices :)))
 
Personally, I'm with many here who know that Samsung makes great guts for Apple hardware. I'd much rather get any Apple product built upon Samsung guts than hope for "as good" with someone else's. Glad to see this for the next iPhone.

+1

It's a Good Thing that Samsung didn't buy into Jobs' "thermonuclear war" nonsense, and instead kept supplying Apple anyway.

If Apple owned world class memory development and CPU foundries, do you think they'd let Samsung get access? Or would Jobs have wanted to keep the best chips for Apple.

Well, we already know the answer from the way that Apple has bought up or taken exclusives on previously widely shared industry suppliers like like AuthenTec and Liquid Metal. Apple is not known for sharing tech unless it's someone else sharing with them.
 
No not everything, just the idea that they are beyond reproach and that they have invented everything and make everything better than everyone else. Apart from those things I do actually own Apple products.

this idea exists in bloggers and consumers' heads. when was the last time apple claimed to invent something other than the very specific tech they implement into portions of their devices? which are legitimate 'inventive processes'.

people who have a problem with the things you mentioned tend to assume apple claims to have invented the TABLET or the SMARTPHONE or the PC.

never have i heard apple claim to invent something they didn't. jobs even addressed this with the famous line about true artists stealing.
 
The A9 will most likely be in IOS devices in Sept 2016. By then we will be using IOS 10 (64 bit) and the new apps should all be 64 bit. I also doubt that the A9 will be 128 bit.

Oops, I forgot the s after the /.

Too be clear, I was being sarcastic.
 
If Apple owned world class memory development and CPU foundries, do you think they'd let Samsung get access? Or would Jobs have wanted to keep the best chips for Apple.

If Apple owned world class CPU foundries, they would need them to be busy at all times, to recoup the investment and make money.
 
With the funds Apple has, why don't they build a plant for in-house manufacturing of chips?

bc FABS are very expensive.
ask AMD that.
samsung just makes the chips, the chips are still apples technology property.

I don't think it would be feasible for apple to get into the FAB business just to supply their own chips for apple products.
If they were to get into the FAB business, Apple would need to sell the chips to all interested parties...and apple wouldn't want to do that.
 
+1

It's a Good Thing that Samsung didn't buy into Jobs' "thermonuclear war" nonsense, and instead kept supplying Apple anyway.

If Apple owned world class memory development and CPU foundries, do you think they'd let Samsung get access? Or would Jobs have wanted to keep the best chips for Apple.

Well, we already know the answer from the way that Apple has bought up or taken exclusives on previously widely shared industry suppliers like like AuthenTec and Liquid Metal. Apple is not known for sharing tech unless it's someone else sharing with them.

The main reason Samsung "shares" is that they need too. Spending 10B on fabs just to sell to yourself, or a selected list of company building high end phones, is a highly losing proposition. Getting a 3-6 month internal process advantage some years (they didn't have it the year before) is just not worth it.

Remember, other companies that need fab work (Apple and others) would then go elsewhere (refusing just Apple would risk antitrust problems) and your going to lose that money to someone else, which can then use those funds to build a better process to leapfrog you permanently.

Samsung went into the fab business basically as an outgrowth of the their memory business (which they are very good at).

In the case of authentec, and liquid metal, its mostly IP and personnel Apple bought. They don'T need to sell anything to make that investment pay, and that's why they don't "share". If Samsung had IP that gave them a permanent or long term advantage, that could be uniquely applied to mobile phones and nothing else, believe me, they'd use it.
 
Did you mean 450mm Wafers?



Or you mean 450nm feature sizes? I think they jumped from 500nm to 350nm between 1995 and 1998. The original Pentium and Pentium II (also Pentium Pro) used those process nodes. That was back when computers were getting 88% faster each year! Good old primitive times.


Whoops I meant mm, lol
 
Perhaps, but Android combined with S6 hardware beats out iOS with Apple's hardware.

The S6 is smoother and faster than the iPhone 6. Check speed tests.
Combine that with Android's phenomenal stability and you have yourself a winner.

And before any delusional Apple fan balks at the last sentence, here's a little study that'll make you red in anger: http://www.techtimes.com/articles/32936/20150216/android-5-0-lollipop-stable-ios-8-report.htm

Also, I don't know much about how recent Kia cars feel. I'm just going by their old cars. They may have improved significantly, but I think you get my ultimate point. The iPhone 6 just feels cheap and old compared to the S6 Edge. Think of the old 1990 American cars and a modern Sedan. The iPhone 6 and all other smartphones not named the S6 Edge are the former while the S6 Edge is the latter.

I also expect Apple to shamelessly rip-off Samsung's S6 Edge design in 2-3 years.

Don't want to get into a squabble over this, I'm actually pretty neutral, don't have a blind bias towards anything, really, but I thought the A8 had better single core benchmarks than the Exynos 7420?(Is that chip being used in the US S6 even? Honest question, I have no idea.) Of course the multi-core score is higher, it has two more cores than the A8. Aren't the processors in single core operation in the majority of use cases?
 
I have money for a chicken farm.

Should I make one?

No, that would be dumb if it's not my business.

If you're buying over 4.3 BILLION dollars worth of eggs and poultry products, it would not be dumb.

I believe the economists call this: "Vertical Integration"
 
WIthout Samsung, Apple is nothing, it seems.

Samsung has Apple by the nuts lol

Apple could still could have chosen to use TSMC, it just wouldn't have been the best option.

Unlike the people on this forum that blindly hate Apple, most corporations know that making business decisions based on grudges is not a good practice. Apple knows that Samsung will do the best job, so they choose Samsung to produce their chips. Simple as that.
 
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