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I know what you mean here. But I just want to add for further "education" that there's a difference (many) between Apple and Samsung in the regard though. Apple makes their own OS - they have no approval process other than internal. When Google releases a new OS - it has to then be skinned/adapted by Samsung and then also approved by the carrier. It simply takes longer. And that's why they have less of an idea of time frames or which devices it makes the most sense to "upgrade." I'm not defending it. Just stating that it's apples to oranges.

I just got an Android phone - and one of the many things I do love about it (right off the bat) is that when I take a picture - I can immediately rename it in the phone. No longer do I sent images that wind up as attachments "photo 1, photo 2, photo 3" etc. Something that annoyed the @#$% out of me on the iPhone. Perhaps minor - but it's one nice feature already I'm enjoying.

Regarding upgrades, yes the process internally is different but the end user tends to only care about the experience. So while it sucks that Samsung has more hoops to jump through, that is the bed they made for themselves. Apple refused to do a phone UNLESS the carriers would work with them and allow them to provide the software updates. Samsung could not manage to write their own operating system and so they depend on Google for it.

That feature on renaming the photos is kinda cool. I'm not sure how often I would take the time to do it, but at least somebody could see which photos they wanted to download to their phone before downloading them based on name. I hope you got the Galaxy Nexus -- after seeing ICS, I see no reason to run any other version of Android.

One other side note on upgrades... Google typically does the upgrades to Nexus devices, but recently pulled the Verizon version of the Galaxy Nexus from that list of phones they support. Supposedly it has something to do with Google Wallet being excluded according to The Verge. My brother-in-law called in to Verizon to complain about the exclusion and this side effect, but in reality it is Google who is choosing to pull the OS upgrade support for the device and likely pushing that to Samsung to manage due to the change they conceded to for Verizon. Who knows what's going on behind closed doors, but, as a customer, it is not something I would want to be caught in the middle of.

As long as Apple is producing a great mobile OS, I will be sticking with their well-supported products. It will take a whole lot out of Microsoft to get me to switch to Windows Phone, even though Windows Phone has some very slick features -- I just have too much invested in software and media from Apple. I'd have a hard time switching to Android just because I am getting more and more weary about Google's privacy policies. I'm already considering switching off GMail and I don't like searching on Google and having them tell me when I last visited a Web page (server-side history tracking). Google is giving me the creeps more and more. I'm sure Apple is tracking purchases for features like "Genius Recommends", but at least they are not searching my iCloud email. The GMail Man video that Microsoft put out certainly gives you an eerie feeling about what Google does with folks' data. Makes me wonder if Yahoo is doing the same thing too.
 
No I can't, thing wouldn't be different with the Note. Stylus is optional, get it and understand it.

Ha! Ha! I love it! One of my first posts on this topic was based on my misunderstandings that the Samsung Note NEEDED a stylus. I formed that impression based on watching Samsung's commercial. It was only after the Samsung fanboys came here and "educated" me that the device can work without the stylus as well.

After reading some of the comments it looks like there was a bunch of people who made the same conclusion that I did about the stylus.

Wow! talk about an advertising FAIL on Samsung's part!

Advertising 101: if after delivering your message in an advertisement, the consumer is confused or doesn't understand then it is YOUR fault, not the consumer!

We shouldn't need the technogeeks to crawl out of the woodwork to clear things up for the rest of us, I'm going to go back to my original opinion on the commercial: this device won't deliver.
 
Who is Samsung targeting with these ads, the non Apple folks? In that case wouldn't it be better to focus on how great and desirable their own product is and how happy their own customers are with it rather than portray the Apple customers as "mindless zombies who are waiting in line for Apple products in spite of themselves". It is a terrible ad from a marketing standpoint because it doesn't stand to win their target audience (i.e. their competitor's customers) but merely put them off or upset/anger them.


The "Mac vs. PC" ads never made fun of the "PC" users (i.e. the audience Apple was trying to win over). Even when poking fun at the "PC", they did it in a friendly, as if they felt sorry for the "inferior" "PC", way. With all their aggressive marketing, never did Apple poke fun at the "PC" user or portray them in negative light. If Samsung wanted to successfully mirror Apple's past marketing campaign, they have failed with this one here.

I'd say that it's aiming at everyone who is not an Apple fanboy. Many people but apple products because they like the quality of the products or it just works for them. If a better device came along though, they would give credit where it's due and maybe take a chance by trying out that device. That's who I think it's aimed at. I also don't think those people would be offended by this ad, since it's not portraying them here. IMO, those people wouldn't be lining up on launch day to get an iDevice. I would like to say I'm one of those people. I love the iPhone, but I'm open to switching to android or wp8 or whatever else if they suit my needs better. I also dont hold a phone in such high regard that I would line up for hours to get it on launch day. Personally, I wasn't offended by the ad. I didn't really see it as Samsung calling everyone who owned an Apple device as a "mindless zombie". It was more like they were portraying the die hard apple fans having a boring time waiting in front of an Apple store for hours on end when they could get a better, more exciting device without the wait. Not really sure where you got mindless zombies but your interpretation is as valid as mine.



As for your second point, please look back at the quote I was responding to. The original poster said something along the lines of "If they have to attack an opponent's product, they're doing it wrong!" or the like. If I am mistaken, I will gladly concede your point. My response said that it seemed logical to point out where a competitor's product falls short of the company who's paying for the ad. I also said that I felt like "attack" was too strong of a verb to use. Did Samsung really attack iDevices in this ad? Again, your threshold for defining a word will be different from mine (diction used, severity of tone, amount of other synonyms used), but it felt like Samsung was just poking fun at iDevices too. I certainly wouldn't call it attacked.


Ha! Ha! I love it! One of my first posts on this topic was based on my misunderstandings that the Samsung Note NEEDED a stylus. I formed that impression based on watching Samsung's commercial. It was only after the Samsung fanboys came here and "educated" me that the device can work without the stylus as well.

After reading some of the comments it looks like there was a bunch of people who made the same conclusion that I did about the stylus.

Wow! talk about an advertising FAIL on Samsung's part!

Advertising 101: if after delivering your message in an advertisement, the consumer is confused or doesn't understand then it is YOUR fault, not the consumer!

We shouldn't need the technogeeks to crawl out of the woodwork to clear things up for the rest of us, I'm going to go back to my original opinion on the commercial: this device won't deliver.

Ad hominem attacks are counterproductive if you want others to take you seriously. Let's keep it civilized and not call others Samsung fanboys just because they were trying to help clarify a misunderstanding. Also, I don't believe the sample from this thread is good enough to make a generalization about the population that saw the ad an thus, the general impression that the ad left. This site is full of Apple fans and thus, people here are more likely to think of Samsung (who a lot of Apple fans believe is the devil reincarnate) in the worst possible way, and this is the same for their products. It's sort of like confirmation bias: Apple fans despise Samsung and as soon as they see a stylus, they subconsciously twist it in a way that makes Samsung confirm to their preconceived idea of the company. So, logically, their first thought would be "we have to use a stylus?" Also, Internet forums are skewed by response bias. When optional surveys online or in real life are taken, the category of people who have the largest response rate is people who feel strongly about the issue (ie conservative Christians and gay rights activists for a survey on whether gay marriage should be legalized). Thus, people who really love or hate the stylus idea will post on the forum. The people that hate it the most are those with the impression that the stylus is mandatory. Those that have neutral or weak feelings about the issue would be less inclined to post about it, since they really don't have much to say either way and would probably see their time as better spent.
 
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Just like people who want to argue that Siri is something that has never been done before....

I'll agree with you on this one: I don't use Siri on my iPhone because it just doesn't work well. Maybe I got a case of mush mouth or maybe Siri just doesn't deliver as advertised. Either way, I think it's just a lot of hype.

Voice activated controls are nothing new and Siri doesn't deliver; you and I are in agreement here.
 
Ha! Ha! I love it! One of my first posts on this topic was based on my misunderstandings that the Samsung Note NEEDED a stylus. I formed that impression based on watching Samsung's commercial. It was only after the Samsung fanboys came here and "educated" me that the device can work without the stylus as well.

After reading some of the comments it looks like there was a bunch of people who made the same conclusion that I did about the stylus.

Wow! talk about an advertising FAIL on Samsung's part!

Advertising 101: if after delivering your message in an advertisement, the consumer is confused or doesn't understand then it is YOUR fault, not the consumer!

We shouldn't need the technogeeks to crawl out of the woodwork to clear things up for the rest of us, I'm going to go back to my original opinion on the commercial: this device won't deliver.

You don't need to be a technogeek or a samsung "fanboy" to visit a website and read about a product.

I'm sure if it was an Apple product or service you would have jumped to a website to read more about it. Fact is - you simply didn't care enough and just wanted to make a snap judgement. I'm not saying the ad was good. I'm saying that even if it was amazing, I doubt (sincerely) your opinion or snarky comment would have differed

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That feature on renaming the photos is kinda cool. I'm not sure how often I would take the time to do it, but at least somebody could see which photos they wanted to download to their phone before downloading them based on name. I hope you got the Galaxy Nexus -- after seeing ICS, I see no reason to run any other version of Android.

One other side note on upgrades... Google typically does the upgrades to Nexus devices, but recently pulled the Verizon version of the Galaxy Nexus from that list of phones they support. Supposedly it has something to do with Google Wallet being excluded according to The Verge. My brother-in-law called in to Verizon to complain about the exclusion and this side effect, but in reality it is Google who is choosing to pull the OS upgrade support for the device and likely pushing that to Samsung to manage due to the change they conceded to for Verizon. Who knows what's going on behind closed doors, but, as a customer, it is not something I would want to be caught in the middle of....

I agree - the customer doesn't care - they just want the updates.

I think I read somewhere that Verizon was planning or wanted to create their own payment system which is why they were "reluctant" for lack of better work to allow NFC payments. Not sure if that's still the case.

I actually bought a Samsung Galaxy S2 Skyrocket. Which is suppose to get ICS sometime this or next quarter.
 
And let's look at iOS 5.... The iPhone 3GS is now 32 months old and running the latest version iOS. :eek: That's pretty amazing I think. Not to mention that iPhone 3GS is actually FASTER with iOS 5 than with iOS 4. :eek:

I disagree with your statements. I was quite happy with iphone 3gs, with ios 3. However when I upgraded it to ios 4 and than 5, my user experience went down the toilet. I couldn't get the camera to start up quick enough to take pics. Nothing was buttery smooth any more. Sure going from ios 4 -> 5 improved a bit, but it's still NOTHING like when it was running ios 3.

I suffered months through this (and not eligible for upgrade yet with my carrier), and eventually I realized iphone isn't the magic phone. When the upgrade window came, I picked up a Galaxy Nexus and I'm VERY happy. It's buttery smooth.

So yeah, iphone 3gs with ios5 is faster than ios4, but still it's SLOW.

I can understand why samsung is not offering ICS upgrade to galaxy s. And I wish apple didn't offer the upgrade to iphone 3gs or at least gave ample warning that going from ios3 to 4 or 5 would kill the iphone experience. It sure did for me. And apple lost a customer because of that.
 
Ha! Ha! I love it! One of my first posts on this topic was based on my misunderstandings that the Samsung Note NEEDED a stylus. I formed that impression based on watching Samsung's commercial. It was only after the Samsung fanboys came here and "educated" me that the device can work without the stylus as well.

After reading some of the comments it looks like there was a bunch of people who made the same conclusion that I did about the stylus.

Wow! talk about an advertising FAIL on Samsung's part!

Advertising 101: if after delivering your message in an advertisement, the consumer is confused or doesn't understand then it is YOUR fault, not the consumer!

We shouldn't need the technogeeks to crawl out of the woodwork to clear things up for the rest of us, I'm going to go back to my original opinion on the commercial: this device won't deliver.

Or maybe you just aren't smart enough to figure it out? ;)
 
The palm didn't have over 200 pressure points with their stylus. Completely different.

Just like people who want to argue that Siri is something that has never been done before....

Or who think facetime (video phone) was an invention of apple when in fact video phone was available in japan/europe/s korea for quite a while before apple tried to make look facetime as something that was a new invention.
 
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You don't need to be a technogeek or a samsung "fanboy" to visit a website and read about a product.

I'm sure if it was an Apple product or service you would have jumped to a website to read more about it. Fact is - you simply didn't care enough and just wanted to make a snap judgement. I'm not saying the ad was good. I'm saying that even if it was amazing, I doubt (sincerely) your opinion or snarky comment would have differed

You are correct about me caring: I don't care much about the Samsung device. But I also don't care about the new iPods, iMacs, Apple TV, or anything that I feel that I don't need. I don't care enough to go to out and read about new products...I am lazy and I admit it.

In order for me to care I need to see something and "must have it!". That was the feeling that I got when I saw the iPhone advertised for the first time. The first iPhone was a game changer; there was nothing like it and it was truly revolutionary. No one can deny that!

And for the record if Samsung comes out with something as revolutionary as the first iPhone, then I'll get excited and check it out.

I may have made a "snap" judgement, but I formed it in the same amount of time that Samsung had to sell me on their new product: 30 seconds. That is the same amount of time that I was sold on the first generation iPhone when I watched the iPhone commercial.

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Or maybe you just aren't smart enough to figure it out? ;)

LOL! You might be right there!!!:D
 
Great samsung - Win people over by basically insulting potential customers by

1. Showing how stupid they are by ever wanting and queuing popular competition's product is with massive queue and sales

2. Into switching to your different different type of product by showing all the innovative features like drawing a circle... like you can do with your um..Finger...

3. Then dance around a bit.

Nah I wouldn't worry about it. People ARE stupid.

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It isn't the What. It is the How. Smartphones existed before the iPhone. Multitouch existed before the iPhone. But How they worked to service the user? This is where the magic is.

Yes, and it's called marketing. Not magic.

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Okay, pick fun at Apple fans. BUT YOUR PRODUCTS ARE STILL COMPLETE ****.

And still sold more phones than iphones for 2011.
 
I hope this encourages Apple to make a 5" or 6" iPod Touch.

haha I sure hope so.

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To anyone saying "Remember Mac vs PC ads?". Apple didn't make fun of people who bought PC's, they just pointed out the flaws of a PC.

How can you say that when the guy portraying pc was portrayed as a buffoon?
 
Let's keep it civilized and not call others Samsung fanboys just because they were trying to help clarify a misunderstanding.

So how so you rationalize my reference to the pro-samsung folks as "fanboys"offensive when you refer to the pro apple people as apple fanboys?

I'd say that it's aiming at everyone who is not an Apple fanboy.

Double standard....
 
The only thing I saw in this ad is a stylus (seriously?) and a FaceTime rip-off.

Samsung offered video phone (yes facetime is a copy of video phone concept) on REGULAR, non smart phones for quite a while before Apple started advertising it as some kind of new invention by apple.

People in Europe/japan/S Korea had been making video calls on cheap non-smartphones way before Apple's facetime was released. And they had been able to do it on cell signal, not just using wifi as FaceTime requires.
 
Samsung offered video phone (yes facetime is a copy of video phone concept) on REGULAR, non smart phones for quite a while before Apple started advertising it as some kind of new invention by apple.

People in Europe/japan/S Korea had been making video calls on cheap non-smartphones way before Apple's facetime was released. And they had been able to do it on cell signal, not just using wifi as FaceTime requires.

In fact, the ads for FaceTime made me "lolwut, my crappy feature phone can do that."
 
So how so you rationalize my reference to the pro-samsung folks as "fanboys"offensive when you refer to the pro apple people as apple fanboys?



Double standard....

So the fact that people clarified the stylus was not necessary makes them pro-samsung? I also didn't say that people who are pro-apple are Apple fanboys. We're using the term in different ways. You're using it to attack others (ad hominem) who are just pointing out that the stylus isn't mandatory and I also gathered this from the general tone of your response ("HA HA", etc.) Meanwhile, I'm using it to try and define a specific portion of the Apple supporting population, which I feel genuinely fit the use of the word "fanboy". In no way did I mean it as a derogatory word. If people want to blindly support Apple, I am perfectly fine with that; it's their choice. Many people are pro-Apple for a good reason. However, if Apple does something wrong, those people will withdraw their support. The people I label as fanboys are Apple fans that think Apple can do no wrong and defend Apple no matter what. And since I agree it may still be hypocritical to a degree despite the fact that we have completely different requirements for calling someone a fanboy, I will now refer to them as die-hard Apple fans. Also I apologize if my previous post was not clear enough. I hope this elucidates my definition and why I chose to use the word fanboy. Still hypocritical to a degree, I concede.
 
So the fact that people clarified the stylus was not necessary makes them pro-samsung? I also didn't say that people who are pro-apple are Apple fanboys. We're using the term in different ways. You're using it to attack others (ad hominem) who are just pointing out that the stylus isn't mandatory and I also gathered this from the general tone of your response ("HA HA", etc.) Meanwhile, I'm using it to try and define a specific portion of the Apple supporting population, which I feel genuinely fit the use of the word "fanboy". In no way did I mean it as a derogatory word. If people want to blindly support Apple, I am perfectly fine with that; it's their choice. Many people are pro-Apple for a good reason. However, if Apple does something wrong, those people will withdraw their support. The people I label as fanboys are Apple fans that think Apple can do no wrong and defend Apple no matter what. And since I agree it may still be hypocritical to a degree despite the fact that we have completely different requirements for calling someone a fanboy, I will now refer to them as die-hard Apple fans. Also I apologize if my previous post was not clear enough. I hope this elucidates my definition and why I chose to use the word fanboy. Still hypocritical to a degree, I concede.

No need to apologize. I just didn't intend my reference to the pro-samsung people as "fanboys" to be offensive.

Thanks for writing a well written and intelligent response.
 
Why are you here?

Believe it or not, it's possible to like apple products and still be able to have my own rational thought process. I like their products, I use their products and I still don't think they're the center of the universe or are infallible.
 
Ok - let's forget Ads for a second.

Truth? I thought it was rather offensive when Steve Jobs stated that people don't read books anymore. I thought it was offensive to people who enjoy their netbooks when he said they don't do anything (hyperbole at its finest). He also said many things at keynotes that, in my opinion, weren't very nice to either the competition and by association - people that use those devices, technology, etc.

Was I personally offended? No - because it's all "showbiz" and rhetoric. But to say that Apple (and it's CEO) never attacked the competition AND its users are perhaps a little bit too lenient in their definition when the shoe is on the other foot.

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No need to apologize. I just didn't intend my reference to the pro-samsung people as "fanboys" to be offensive.

Thanks for writing a well written and intelligent response.

Dan - I will say this. I have great respect for you (as much as someone can respect someone on a message board I guess). I might not agree with everything you write. But you have a good sense of humor; you can admit when/if you've made a "mistake" in either your facts or your tone; and you're just a straight shooter.
 
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Samsung, perhaps if you didn't produce phones like HTC that are obsolete about a week after they come out because of the crap OS you use you wouldn't need to spend money on these Ads and have a better market share.

-Mike
 
Samsung, perhaps if you didn't produce phones like HTC that are obsolete about a week after they come out because of the crap OS you use you wouldn't need to spend money on these Ads and have a better market share.

-Mike

Better marketshare? Are you talking out of your hindquarters? And explain how Samsung Galaxy S2 series (for example) is obsolete.

Or are again - just typing to see yourself type?
 
It's hard when you're trying to hype your next big thing which also happens to be a stylus.. from the 90's.
http://mashable.com/2012/02/06/samsung-galaxy-note-stylus-backlash/

Being able to use stylus that can work like a fine tipped pen or a marker or a brush on a phone/tablet would be great. My friend who uses a stylus (with rubbery tip that makes it work like a marker with big fat tip) to write/draw on his ipad would love it. Yes, stylus has always been in. My graphic artist friends think so as they use their wacom tablets.

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Really hope can see the day when people line up for Samsung Android phones.

Never gonna happen. Different model. But they will continue to sell as many (or more) phones as apple sells iphones.
 
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