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Samsung Debuts Apple-Like Design Video for Galaxy S6 Edge

Lame.

Everyone copies everyone. It happens. Seriously though, this is just tacky, cheap imitation type stuff and the thing that bugs me must is that Samsung makes quality products. It's like I just wanna take the kid aside and say, "Dude, you're plenty talented. Just be yourself."

First the lame attacks on Apple products, which is dumb because all it communicates is, "Hey look! Me too! We're actually cooler than the cool kid. Did we mention Apple IS the cool kid?"

And now... "Maybe if we dress up just like the cool kid only... we have no idea how to actually wear clothing like that... we'll be cool too."

Samsung, your products aren't the problem. Your marketing, however, is terrible. Stahp.
 
Flow39 said:
Can't copy the profits tho
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H2SO4 said:
That would also suggest that you are biased. In reality it means your opinion means no more or less than anybody elses.
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Of course I'm biased; bravo for noticing.. The point is not that I'm not biased: I am. I'd say 100% of commenter here are biased.

What I object too, is the classic I'm "above the fray" comment which supposedly claims an unbiased view, when in fact it is fully slanted towards one POV; it this case Samsung.

I just want those people to be coherent, not claiming that being blatantly all in for Samsung is somehow a neutral view.

Myself, I own a Samsung Plasma TV despite being screwed by them because my previous Samsung HD Tube TV failed after just 6 years.

They make some good product, but they also skimp badly to save a few buck. There has been a capacitor issue in old Samsung TV that led to their demise (those capacitor maybe cost $0.50!).

I do think that Samsung needs a hell of a lot of reform inside, so they are not slavish copier (like Xiaomi). Doing so is going to eventually lead them to their demise in the consumer space when the Chinese get there (they can copy as well as they do).
 
H2SO4 said:
Do I have to point you to lots of conventional watches with spinning crowns that are aligned centre?
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On a conventional, mechanical wristwatch the crown is meant to be turned with two fingers. When winding a mechanical watch there is a fair amount of resistance and the stem connecting the crown to the watch's mechanism is fragile. Therefore a secure grip on the crown and two-finger operation are required. Once the user has finished winding and setting the watch, the crown may be screwed tight to lock it in place.

On the Apple Watch the crown is digital. The user experiences no drag or resistance, other than the feedback from the Taptic engine which simulates resistance, for example when scrolling to the end of a list. Here, there crown can be operated with a single finger and a light touch, and no locking mechanism is present or needed. If the crown were centered along the watch's z-axis, it would touch the user's wrist, causing unintentional input to the watch. If the crown were centered but made small enough not to touch the wrist, then it would be too small and difficult to operate with one finger.
 
ani4ani said:
No, since most of us are older than 10
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You don't find pointless and fluff marketing terms to be funny? Tell me what comes to mind when talking about the "shape of the future"? Nothing, it's just verbal nonsense.

I'm much older than 10, was there something about my post that offended you somehow?
 
Amacfa said:
These types of companies need to go out of business.
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Yeah, great. Then Apple would be screwed since no one else can handle making the components for Apple that Samsung does. Duh?

On top of that, competition keeps every company on their toes and prices inline. As if Apple stuff isn't overpriced already.... Make them the only game in town and your precious phone would cost $5000 grand.

:rolleyes:
 
rick98761 said:
Am I the only one that doesn't think this is meant to be a shameless copy, but a parody?

I think it is just Samsung having a little fun.
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Yes, it certainly would fit their history. They love to parody things, even though the humor sometimes flies over the head of people (who are often the very targets of their parody.)

They've especially often mocked people who act like the latest tech makes them look cooler or will impress the opposite sex (e.g. their Gear watch ad with the sleazy guy, or their folding tablet concept video with that guy with his flashing tablet).

Even their oft-slammed Radio City Music Hall show was actually written and produced by top Broadway people who later wrote for Adam Sandler movies. They thought a New York audience would get the sly Sex & The City type of jokes. Alas, most of the audience were reporters who were not from New York, and therefore failed to see the parody.

(Before I lived in NYC, I didn't get half the jokes in NY plays and TV shows either. Especially ones mocking other boroughs or the "bridge & toll" people ... those who commute into the city instead of living there.)

In this video on their own YouTube channel, someone at Samsung seems to be mocking the way that Apple tries to make their products sound so pompous and important, from showing meaningless images of vague machinery doing common things, to fake English accents and vapid phrases about materials.

freediverx said:
Dieter Rams is the renowned designer behind those famous Braun products. He and Jony Ive have a mutual admiration for each other's work. If Rams felt that Ive had shamelessly copied his work, one would think he would have a less flattering view of Apple.
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It's all about having class.

Famous designer Philippe Starck (yes, the one who did Jobs' yacht) once ran up to Dieter Rams at an LA exposition without even saying hello, and cried out, "Apple is copying you!"

Rams replied, "To me, it's a compliment."

Too bad Apple and Ive aren't as classy when it comes to others being inspired by their work.
 
kdarling said:
Famous designer Philippe Starck (yes, the one who did Jobs' yacht) once ran up to Dieter Rams at an LA exposition without even saying hello, and cried out, "Apple is copying you!"

Rams replied, "To me, it's a compliment."

Too bad Apple and Ive aren't as classy when it comes to others being inspired by their work.
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If Apple were making radios, speakers, and electric shavers that looked like Braun clones, I suspect that Rams would have something less gracious to say, or wouldn't say anything at all.

The fact that he has hailed Apple as one of two companies (the other being his current business partner) who understand the value of design speaks volumes.



Here's a better quote of Dieter Rams speaking of Apple:

Fastcodesign: "If you were to design a computer now, what would it look like?"

Rams: "It would look like one of Apple’s products. In many magazines, or on the Internet, people compare Apple products to things which I designed, with this or that transistor radio from 1965 or 1955. In terms of aesthetics, I think their designs are brilliant. I don’t consider it an imitation. I take it as a compliment."
 
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Considering the phones are assembled in the same factories with components made by the same suppliers, it isn't surprising that such videos look similar.
 
s2mikey said:
Yeah, great. Then Apple would be screwed since no one else can handle making the components for Apple that Samsung does. Duh?
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That Apple buys some components from Samsung does not mean that no one else can make comparable components. Apple deals with many vendors and chooses those that offer the specs they need, in the quantities they desire, at the right price. If Samsung disappeared tomorrow other manufacturers would line up to take their place. GT Advanced went bankrupt and that didn't stop Apple from making Watches with sapphire crystal.


s2mikey said:
On top of that, competition keeps every company on their toes and prices inline. As if Apple stuff isn't overpriced already.... Make them the only game in town and your precious phone would cost $5000 grand.
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You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of economics. Apple sells a carefully curated product mix at specific price points to maximize revenues and profits. The price of the iPhone is dictated by the market, not by "competition" from the likes of Samsung.
 
itouch rulz said:
Ive has such an annoying voice with the ultra-calm tones and extra long pauses. When I watch one of his videos I always think, speak a bit faster you could convey that information in half the time. Actually one thing that puts me off Apple is their infomercials made for 6 year olds.
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The voice of one of the greatest industrial designers in the history of modern culture doesn't please you. Why does he even get out of bed?
 
OK, yeah, it must be parody actually, they couldn't be doing that seriously, it's just too much. I suppose the reason it doesn't really work, and it's not immediately obvious it's a parody, is that they do shamelessly copy Apple so much that it just fits.
 
citysnaps said:
How are they not as classy?
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Dieter Rams, when told by a brother designer that Apple is ripping off his designs: "I take (their copying) as a compliment".

Jon Ive, when asked by Vanity Fair about other smartphones: "I don't see (their copying) as flattery." "I see it as theft."

Night and day.

freediverx said:
Lol, he's accusing Apple of lacking class. Black is white. Up is down.
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Couldn't care less about Samsung. Do care about stemming childish hatred from xenophobes, and also making sure that technical history is not rewritten by fanboys.

Like a few others here, I'm experienced in this field, and have back knowledge about what in it was unique and innovative, and what was not. I've also spent time in Korea back in the Army.

Countries go through phases. For a while after WW-II, Japan was seen as a copycat. Later, America companies have tried to copy many Japanese designs. Apple even had an internal designer mock up what he thought a Sony smartphone would look like, a design that he said heavily influenced the iPhone.

Korea is still going through the we-admire-American-design phase, I think partly because they're still on a virtual war footing under our protection. I see this as A Good Thing at this point in time.

freediverx said:
This is not what Samsung does. They are not taking design cues from radios, speakers, and bath tub covers. They are copying designs and styles, millimeter by millimeter, from a competitor's smartphone to their own. That's not inspiration, that's theft.
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Samsung rarely directly copies. They do something that is much more difficult: they design as close as they can to end up appearing with a similar style, without direct copying. Sometimes they do this well. Sometimes they come too close.

As far as artists steal, etc. Copying ideas is one thing. Companies do it all the time, when something gets popular. OTOH, trying to claim every idea as yours alone, is quite something else on the moral scale.

Apple patented or tried to patent slide to unlock, pinch zoom, active links, and a lot of other gestures and input methods that others had thought were obvious. Over time, the USPTO has realized this as well, and negated or dropped many of the claims.

Heck, Apple even tried to trademark the word "Multi-touch", and they might've gotten away with it, except multi-touch demonstrator Jeff Han himself wrote the USPTO and his letter convinced them not to grant the trademark.

The upshot is, I'll take so-called copiers over those who want to claim and lock down common ideas or words, simply in order to avoid competition.
 
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Amazing that people get this upset over a commercial? It amazes me that people still watch commercials (or in Apple's case, infomercials.)

Were people this upset when Apple used copied screenshots of Android apps (Swiftkey keyboard) during the keynote of iOS8? Really, why does this even matter?

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kdarling said:
Heck, Apple even tried to trademark the word "Multi-touch", and they might've gotten away with it, except multi-touch demonstrator Jeff Han himself wrote the USPTO and his letter convinced them not to grant the trademark.

The upshot is, I'll take so-called copiers over those who want to claim and lock down common ideas or words, simply in order to avoid competition.
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I still remember Apple trying to piss all over Amazon for the words 'app store'. :D
 
kdarling said:
Dieter Rams, when told by a brother designer that Apple is ripping off his designs: "I take (their copying) as a compliment".

Jon Ive, when asked by Vanity Fair about other smartphones: "I don't see (their copying) as flattery." "I see it as theft."

Night and day.
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You're still here? I see under your avatar that you're still claiming to have 24 years of touchscreen design experience. I'm still waiting for a reply back on Appleinsider.

I'm sure you remember - I myself have been involved in touchscreen technology since the mid 80's (when our first system used infrared LEDs and detectors arranged in a grid across the front of a Sony Trinitron to detect touch). I called you out several times on this (along with a few others) to which you never responded. And since then you haven't come back to AI (much to the appreciation of many there, I'm sure) we never had a chance to properly finish our discussion.

Are you interested in continuing where we left off? If not, just say so and I won't bring it up again.
 
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