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Samsung Debuts Galaxy Note5 and S6 Edge+ Phones, Preps for Samsung Pay and Gear S2 Watch Launches

aloshka said:
I think everyone is running into physics here. Give us bigger battery but want it removable and waste 3-4mm of space for connectors. Give us SD card slot, but keep the phone thin and light... while SD card slot further takes a 6mm^2 x 1mm thickness.

You want fat brick phone with SD card, and a removable huge battery. But then you'll complain it's too big and heavy, we want smaller. Make up your mind.

Why aren't you crying over apple not having an SD card?
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I guess you didn't read my post saying that I'm not a Samsung fan or user but know what their fans/users are asking for.

I don't care for SD cards nor removable batteries, but that doesn't mean others don't. Besides, you don't see Apple removing features from one iPhone to the next.
 
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OneTokenRing... said:
While a great tech, it will be forced into obsolescence by the industry as they begin to phase out magnetic stripe transactions in about 2 weeks.

It really makes it a non starter as a feature and puzzling why Samsung spent so much to acquire it so recently. It'd be like buying a gasoline car 6 months before they stop selling gasoline nationwide.

So I agree. Samsung pay will keep moving forward as a nfc system but it's mst component is dead on release. At least in North America and most likely Europe too. Idk what markets will willingly and broadly accept mag stripe transactions by 2016?
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It will be years before magnetic stripe is phased out... Do you really believe that in October all the credit card terminals will be replaced? It will be quite awhile before nfc is accepted everywhere.
 
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Fenez said:
It will be years before magnetic stripe is phased out... Do you really believe that in October all the credit card terminals will be replaced? It will be quite awhile before nfc is accepted everywhere.
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I don't think it will be years. Most likely months unless something changes. The processors haven't backed off and even square announced they'll take the fraud hit while customers are waiting for their pre-ordered terminals that haven't been delivered. I don't think they'd announce that if they weren't concerned that the liability shift isn't moving forward as planned.

http://arstechnica.com/business/201...stomers-liability-for-fraud-during-emv-shift/

Edit: and it's not about nfc. It's about chip and pin. Naked mag stripe is going to go away very very quickly
 
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OneTokenRing... said:
I realize that and am not saying Samsung pay as a service doesn't have a chance or can continue to work.

What I was referring to were some of the oooh's and ahhhh's about how a magnetic stripe emulator has been worked into the hardware.

While a great tech, it will be forced into obsolescence by the industry as they begin to phase out magnetic stripe transactions in about 2 weeks.

It really makes it a non starter as a feature and puzzling why Samsung spent so much to acquire it so recently. It'd be like buying a gasoline car 6 months before they stop selling gasoline nationwide.

So I agree. Samsung pay will keep moving forward as a nfc system but it's mst component is dead on release. At least in North America and most likely Europe too. Idk what markets will willingly and broadly accept mag stripe transactions by 2016?
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Well that yeah, that makes sense. I think most people don't know about the changes.

But I cannot imagine every business in the US is going to all of a sudden take responsibility for strip cards. I'm guessing this somehow has to be a slower rollout, or it's a catastrophe for every small business in America. I just don't see it happening.

I work with a lot of small businesses to set up eCommerce and general commerce solutions and I have never heard of what you linked. It makes me almost wonder if it's not the retailer, but the retailer that sells the machines like verifone, etc.
 
OneTokenRing... said:
I don't think it will be years. Most likely months unless something changes. The processors haven't backed off and even square announced they'll take the fraud hit while customers are waiting for their pre-ordered terminals that haven't been delivered. I don't think they'd announce that if they weren't concerned that the liability shift isn't moving forward as planned.

http://arstechnica.com/business/201...stomers-liability-for-fraud-during-emv-shift/

Edit: and it's not about nfc. It's about chip and pin. Naked mag stripe is going to go away very very quickly
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Screw the terminals, most credit cards don't have chips in them either. I don't see Bank of The West getting chips anytime soon. I don't see any bank announcing anything. So who cares if stores get terminals that are chip only, most people don't have credit or debit cards that have chips and I doubt they will. One thing I noticed is that debit cards never have chips.
 
Andres Cantu said:
I guess you didn't read my post saying that I'm not a Samsung fan or user but know what their fans/users are asking for.

I don't care for SD cards nor removable batteries, but that doesn't mean others don't. Besides, you don't see Apple removing features from one iPhone to the next.
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No sorry, I didn't read all the pages. Kind of skipped forward. I think you are right there is a market for it, that being said... apple does remove features. They removed the obsolete floppy drive from macbooks, they removed CDROM drives. People kicked and screamed for Apple not listening to them and giving them what they want (CDROMs). But realistically, they are obsolete and it would have been stupid for them to keep supporting them. I believe SD cards are the same way. They are a ton slower than flash memory, they require a TON of space that could otherwise be used for battery.

Just no matter how you put it, everyone will follow suite and remove SD card slots. Everyone will remove removable batteries. You see it already. Only older phones that don't want to invest money into MLC flash will still have SD card slots and removable batteries.
 
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aloshka said:
How does an s6 edge+ look copied to you? You mean from their earlier s6 edge?
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That was my point. It hardly looks different because a redesigned iPhone hasn't come out. That watch though, so innovative... Wonder where they got the new ui...
 
And don't forget about the mid-cycle models we will get, called the Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge+ Active, and the Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge+ Mini. You think I'm kidding.
 
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aloshka said:
No sorry, I didn't read all the pages. Kind of skipped forward. I think you are right there is a market for it, that being said... apple does remove features. They removed the obsolete floppy drive from macbooks, they removed CDROM drives. People kicked and screamed for Apple not listening to them and giving them what they want (CDROMs). But realistically, they are obsolete and it would have been stupid for them to keep supporting them. I believe SD cards are the same way. They are a ton slower than flash memory, they require a TON of space that could otherwise be used for battery.

Just no matter how you put it, everyone will follow suite and remove SD card slots. Everyone will remove removable batteries. You see it already. Only older phones that don't want to invest money into MLC flash will still have SD card slots and removable batteries.
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That's a very good point. I should elaborate, though, that Apple doesn't remove features from its iPhones, only adds features whereas other phone manufacturers remove features such as USB 3.0, waterproofness, second cameras, NFC, etc.
 
Simoleon547 said:
That was my point. It hardly looks different because a redesigned iPhone hasn't come out. That watch though, so innovative... Wonder where they got the new ui...
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The watch yeah. lol. But at some point you do have to ask the question how many different ways can you do something? Icons on a home screen? You know what I mean? Not an excuse, but you get the idea.

But yeah, their copying is a bit annoying. Especially their ads.

However, the edge is nothing like any iPhone and is wonderful!! The regular S6 feels identical to the iPhone, so that is definitely copying. So how are they waiting for the next iPhone to copy?

But give them a real chance.. The edge+ looks like the edge, but I can argue the iPhone 6+ looks like the iPhone 6.. and they haven't innovated anything new!??
 
Andres Cantu said:
That's a very good point. I should elaborate, though, that Apple doesn't remove features from its iPhones, only adds features whereas other phone manufacturers remove features such as USB 3.0, waterproofness, second cameras, NFC, etc.
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Oh that.. yeah, that's true. Can't argue.
 
Great, so now Magnetic card spoofers will be mainstream, so nearly anyone with a grasp in small electronics can make a small electromagnet, and pretend the stolen Debit / Credit card data they are sending out, is actually a Samsung pay transaction.

This is awesome news!
 
840quadra said:
Great, so now Magnetic card spoofers will be mainstream, so nearly anyone with a grasp in small electronics can make a small electromagnet, and pretend the stolen Debit / Credit card data they are sending out, is actually a Samsung pay transaction.

This is awesome news!
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I was thinking something along the same lines except I wouldn't doubt there's a way to load up the phone with the stolen credit card data. No electronics skill needed and you could probably put hundreds of cards in there. Lol
 
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Lazy said:
That magnetic card impersonation seems to have come out of nowhere. Sounds interesting.

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It's not really new. We actually built a crude version of one back in school using a small amp, and a speaker coil.

You can learn to build your own card spoofer Here. A fun project.



OneTokenRing... said:
I was thinking something along the same lines except I wouldn't doubt there's a way to load up the phone with the stolen credit card data. No electronics skill needed and you could probably put hundreds of cards in there. Lol
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True, but Once Merchants stop checking devices (after the newness wears off), you could probably wave any small device over the CC terminal, and they wouldn't take any notice.

All Samsung is really doing (in my eyes) is pushing the US to even more quickly move away from Magnetic card readers, and move more quickly into Chip or encrypted wireless payment methods like Europe is already doing.

This technology would be more useful for people like me who sometimes drive old cars (collector cars) that still have Cassette decks. I could use the magnetic system to play mono podcasts through my cassette deck....
 
jasonklee said:
The Koreans have done it again. Bravo. These phones are just luscious as they are powerful. 4 GB RAM? 16 megapixel camera. Samsung Pay. Gosh. The kind of innovation coming out of this company astounding. Samsung is completely dominating the technology field. I look at my iPhone and sigh with embarrassment. I mean, fine, Apple did create the modern smartphone but Samsung is showing how it's properly done, just like Apple showed Xerox how to really make use of GUI and mice.
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Right and it likely still can't play music via bluetooth without stuttering/skipping with the display off! HURRAY! Samsung! LOL

If this is all Samsung has they will continue to lose marketshare and the next quarter their profits will go down again!
 
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Beautiful devices! Keeping up the awesome design of the S6 and S6 edge! I had a hands on with both of these thanks to a Samsung Rep at Best Buy and was wowed.

and love the + instead of Plus, Take that to court Apple! haha
 
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uwdude said:
And don't forget about the mid-cycle models we will get, called the Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge+ Active, and the Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge+ Mini. You think I'm kidding.
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not happening, they said they won't make so many models anymore, and there has never been a secondary downgraded Note model. BTW the S6 edge is the mini of the S6 edge +, so you lose again.
 
aloshka said:
It's not slower. I am evaluating an edge right now. No stutter, no animation hiccups, everything is very smooth. So far no crashes, etc.
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Yeah, we've all been there, that period of time when Android seems so great, but then the longer you use it the slower it becomes and then the lag start and it just goes down hill from here. Been there and done that! I cannot wait to get rid of my Note 4. Don't be fooled!
 
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dannyyankou said:
Lol, their keyboard accessory is HIDEOUS

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the problem with this accessory is that Apple doesn't have anything like it so what was Samsung supposed to copy it from?? In the end they went with copying BBRY, but alas BBRY design looks very dated.
 
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