Samsung Debuts New Galaxy Note 9, Galaxy Watch, Wireless Charger Duo, and Galaxy Home Smart Speaker

[LIVEFRMNYC]

The competition for Samsung is android not Apple. How are those s9 sales? When was apple’s iPhone sales below expectations?

Don’t worry about oled prices, Apple will have alternate suppliers shortly with better panels.

Apple is competition for Samsung, but they have the luxury having their own ecosystem and OS which makes it harder for their consumers to the switch.

Samsung on the other hand doesn't have that luxury. Even the most uninformed consumer switches to differ brand Android phones if they see a design, price, or feature they like. It doesn't take much to sway the mainstream in the Android world.

Samsung does have the luxury of brand recognition and well designed phones, which is why they are leading the Android pack. But it's not Apple that puts any specific Samsung model below iPhone in sales, it's the tons of other Android phones.

If Android phone were Samsung only, then it would crush iPhone sales.

And BTW ... The iPhone X did sell below expectation.

 

[hypertoast]

I don't have to prove anything, it runs Android and it's a fact it's less secure.

SO its your assumption. That does not become a fact.
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Snapdragon 845 vs A11 Bionic

"Best hardware"
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I would like to add on to the Apple Watch. It is literally the only Smart wearable that is relevant in the market for years.
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It's called Samsung bloat because the apps are a replicate of the Android stock apps. Get it right.
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Can I order one of the Face ID please? Thanks!
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Apple is doomed obviously! /s

You get an option to select/ install them during the initial setup. You can choose to ignore them apps entirely if you want. Guess someone else needs to learn and get things right first.

 

[I7guy]

Apple is competition for Samsung, but they have the luxury having their own ecosystem and OS which makes it harder for their consumers to the switch.

Samsung on the other hand doesn't have that luxury. Even the most uninformed consumer switches to differ brand Android phones if they see a design, price, or feature they like. It doesn't take much to sway the mainstream in the Android world.

Samsung does have the luxury of brand recognition and well designed phones, which is why they are leading the Android pack. But it's not Apple that puts any specific Samsung model below iPhone in sales, it's the tons of other Android phones.

If Android phone were Samsung only, then it would crush iPhone sales.

And BTW ... The iPhone X did sell below expectation.

How can you say the iPhone X sold below expectations when Apple doesn’t make that information public?

Samsung is now, imo, in a tough spot. The s9 isn’t selling well and the note 9 is priced in the stratosphere. Those who like android can get a phone with 80% of the functionality of a galaxy at 50% of the price. Then there are those who can leave the ecosystem and go to iPhone.

And sales and market share dont equal profits...as we’ve seen.

 

[rjohnstone]

How can you say the iPhone X sold below expectations when Apple doesn’t make that information public?

Samsung is now, imo, in a tough spot. The s9 isn’t selling well and the note 9 is priced in the stratosphere. Those who like android can get a phone with 80% of the functionality of a galaxy at 50% of the price. Then there are those who can leave the ecosystem and go to iPhone.

And sales and market share dont equal profits...as we’ve seen.

The Note 9 is priced $50 more than the Note 8. Hardly "in the stratosphere".
Anyone other than a shareholder applauding Apple's massive profit margin is an idiot.
It shows Apple can produce a phone at a lower cost to consumers, but knows the fan base will pay regardless, so why bother.

 

[Pearple]

Ridiculous!

Another Phablet.

What happened to the nice compact small smart phones?

Will the SE have the same fate like the Mac mini? Brilliant but discontinued?

Why do the companies hate their customers?

Why do they want to force me to use a phablet?

 

[bluecoast]

I admire and am intrigued by what Samsung are doing here and I'm glad that they're doing it.

However at the same time, I wouldn't want to buy any of it.

Like Microsoft, nearly everything that they do in both hardware and software, just seems to get to 90%.

Samsung seems to not to be able to (or want to) put in the extra 10% to achieve perfection (or as near as anyone can).

That's something that Apple (mostly) strives to do, even if they don't always achieve it (iCloud & Siri, the current Mac line-up).

 

[lec0rsaire]

The design of the Galaxy is nearly identical to the Gear S3. When I wear mine, most people don't even know its a smartwatch because it looks so similar to other popular watches. So not exactly sure what you think is hideous about it... having worn an Apple Watch for 2 years before moving to a Gear S3, I never cared for the goofy look of the AW. Its a "so ugly its cool" kind of thing. I get that it fits the Apple style, but the AW UI is not intuitive and the looks are not its strongest point.

What popular watches does it look like. I can spot smartwatches from a mile away. The same thing with fashion quartz watches and mechanical watches. But then again I’m a watch fanatic and most people aren’t.

Why do I think the Apple Watch is the best designed smart watch? The rectangular design looks good. It is not trying to imitate normal watch design. The most common band material is plastic/rubber instead of coming with a really cheap stainless steel or even worse, gold plated steel bracelet. The sizes are also not ridiculous. These circular smart watches tend to be oversized which is a no no unless you have 8” wrists. The typical range for men is 36mm-42mm. 44mm is the max for larger wrists. The overwhelming majority of Swiss classics fall within that range from $4,000-$200k. The Apple Watch is the one smart watch that people who own many high-end watches will occasionally wear. I don’t see anyone that owns Pateks, AP, Rolex, Vacheron, JLC, Omega, IWC ever wearing Android watches.

In addition, it is very easy for any watch collector to determine the quality of metal bracelets. They all look like crap until you get into the $4-5k market value (real price not retail) price range. For this reason the sport bands are the best. Rubber is very popular with many high end watches at the moment and there is little discernible difference in quality from what you will find on an Apple Watch vs. a steel/gold Royal Oak or gold Daytona on rubber.
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Maybe you should look at Tag Heuer or Hublot instead of cheaper offerings from Apple etc

You just named the two most overpriced and worthless watch brands in the luxury segment. They are all marketing, little substance! Hublot was made by Swatch Group to compete with the legendary Audmars Piguet Royal Oak and Tag Heuer is a mall brand that used to be a great company before they were bought by Tag and just called Heuer.

The depreciation on both is horrendous. You lose about 50% as soon as you take it out of the store even if the stickers are still on! With serious brands like AP, Rolex and Patek it’s the other way around! A new SS Daytona $12.5k retail, $20-22k market price. A new SS Pepsi GMT Master II $9,250 retail, $22k market price. A new SS Royal Oak $17-18k retail, mid-20s market for blue dial. A new Patek Nautilus 5711 about $28.8k retail, $50-60k market price pre-owned or new! Of course all of these watches have very long wait lists (5yrs+) unless you spend $50k/yr on watches at the boutique.

Both Tag and Hublot are heavily marketed in motor racing and football. Savvy watch collectors stay away from both brands. Breitling makes solid watches but they also take a bit of a beating as soon as you leave the store.

 

[justperry]

SO its your assumption. That does not become a fact.

Is it that hard to google for such information, it's everywhere.

 

[I7guy]

The Note 9 is priced $50 more than the Note 8. Hardly "in the stratosphere".
Anyone other than a shareholder applauding Apple's massive profit margin is an idiot.
It shows Apple can produce a phone at a lower cost to consumers, but knows the fan base will pay regardless, so why bother.

That’s pretty much in the stratosphere.

Sure apple’s fan base will buy any old crap that Apple produces. Excellent insight into their customer base.

There must be many shareholders in these forums.

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

I use split screen multi tasking on my S9+ and Note 8 with no issues at all. I'm 35 with a cateract in one eye!

No doubt you'll sing the praises if this comes to iPhones.

Not me. I can barely see the text on my 15" MacBook Pro NON-Retina without using the Zoom.

I am 62, have about a -11 diopter Prescription, and have been wearing glasses since 3rd Grade...

..and actually, there are a number of Apps that will do a "Split Screen" view when an iPhone 6 Plus or greater (Plus Models only) is rotated into Landscape mode; but that's not split-screen multitasking. Plus, there are also a handful of Split Screen iPhone Apps in the App Store, too; but most of them are based around simply viewing 2 websites side-by-side.

 

[The Game 161]

Think spilt screen on new iPhone plus would be nice to have but I don’t use it often even on my iPad Pro

 

[Black Magic]

Are you sure? Galaxy S8, S8+, S9, S9+, Note 8 and Note 9 all have 3.5mm headphone jacks.

Research is not some peoples strong point on here!

Ooof! My apologies for inaccurate information. I don't care enough about Samsung to research it either.

 

[Radon87000]

The competition for Samsung is android

Samsung IS Android.

not Apple. How are those s9 sales? When was apple’s iPhone sales below expectations?

Every company has down quarters as you were so vociferously arguing last year when iPhone 7 sales were nosediving.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/02/apple-iphone-drop-again-2017-quarterly-earnings

Don’t worry. As Apple is planning to milk the iPhone X design for the next 4 years now Apple should expect another decline soon as consumers grow tired of this design too.

Don’t worry about oled prices, Apple will have alternate suppliers shortly with better panels.

Samsung has a monopoly on OLED screens. Google learnt that the hard way when this was the status of their Pixel phones last year

https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/24/16519530/google-pixel-2xl-screen-issues-deep-and-unfixable

I have no doubt Timmy is going in for LG’s OLED in his mission for ultimate cost control at the consumer’s cost but this just means I am returning more iPhone X Plus this year till I get one with Samsung’s OLED. Should be easy to spot one considering how horrid LG is in displays.

Don’t want to become one of LG’s QC tester for $1000 after all.

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

It actually works pretty well on a large phone. Apple were late in implementing it on the iPad.

Yes, but it was obviously a CONSCIOUS DECISION on Apple's part to NOT allow it at the same time on the iPhone.

Sometimes, just because you CAN do a thing, doesn't necessarily mean you SHOULD do a thing. Apple understands that.

 

[I7guy]

Samsung IS Android.

And their competition, imo, is more huawei and oppo.

Every company has down quarters as you were so vociferously arguing last year when iPhone 7 sales were nosediving.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/02/apple-iphone-drop-again-2017-quarterly-earnings

I seem to remember you were the only one fretting about it. I said it would be fine and Apple came back like gangbusters.

Don’t worry. As Apple is planning to milk the iPhone X design for the next 4 years now Apple should expect another decline soon as consumers grow tired of this design too.

Don’t worry I expect Apple to still be worth one trillion.

Samsung has a monopoly on OLED screens. Google learnt that the hard way when this was the status of their Pixel phones last year

https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/24/16519530/google-pixel-2xl-screen-issues-deep-and-unfixable

Samsung doesn’t have a monopoly on oled but as oled is replaced by new tech, Samsung had better hope it doesn’t get left In The dust.

I have no doubt Timmy is going in for LG’s OLED in his mission for ultimate cost control at the consumer’s cost but this just means I am returning more iPhone X Plus this year till I get one with Samsung’s OLED. Should be easy to spot one considering how horrid LG is in displays.

Or maybe not the difference you think as you have not seen the panel or the phone.

 

[SteveJUAE]

You just named the two most overpriced and worthless watch brands in the luxury segment. They are all marketing, little substance! Hublot was made by Swatch Group to compete with the legendary Audmars Piguet Royal Oak and Tag Heuer is a mall brand that used to be a great company before they were bought by Tag and just called Heuer.

The depreciation on both is horrendous. You lose about 50% as soon as you take it out of the store even if the stickers are still on! With serious brands like AP, Rolex and Patek it’s the other way around! A new SS Daytona $12.5k retail, $20-22k market price. A new SS Pepsi GMT Master II $9,250 retail, $22k market price. A new SS Royal Oak $17-18k retail, mid-20s market for blue dial. A new Patek Nautilus 5711 about $28.8k retail, $50-60k market price pre-owned or new! Of course all of these watches have very long wait lists (5yrs+) unless you spend $50k/yr on watches at the boutique.

Both Tag and Hublot are heavily marketed in motor racing and football. Savvy watch collectors stay away from both brands. Breitling makes solid watches but they also take a bit of a beating as soon as you leave the store.

I think you have completely missed the point and so contra to your previous comment on AW being the best looking smart watch its ridiculous

I think we can all deduce your overly obsevive with some perception of value instead of enjoying something that is less than common place regardless if it's design or aesthetics is worth more than its intrinsic value

Beauty may well be in the eye of the beholder but I am sure this concept is outside your grasp whist you worry about deperciation and material costs

 

[rjohnstone]

That’s pretty much in the stratosphere.

Sure apple’s fan base will buy any old crap that Apple produces. Excellent insight into their customer base.

There must be many shareholders in these forums.

$1k+ flagship phones are here to stay... get used to it.
I expect the new iPhone X models (not the LCD version) to be well north of $1K. $1,300 for a base X Plus version is a very real possibility.
Based on your comments about the Note 9 pricing, I fully expect to see your posts about how stratospheric Apple's prices are when the new models are released. But I won't hold my breath.

Considering how much Apple tech I own, and the number of Apple devs I work with on a daily basis, I think my insight is good enough.
I have 4 iMac's ( 3 core i5 21.5" models, 1 27" core i7) 2 MacBook Air (2012 and 2013 core i5 models), fully loaded Core i7 touchbar 15" MacBook Pro (2017), 13" touchbar MacBook Pro (2017)
The stuff in my sig is just my personal gear. The rest is used strictly for work.

I've owned just about every iPhone model sold, not all, but most.
Still have a 1st gen, 3GS, 4, 5S, SE, 6S Plus, 7 Plus, and an X. There was good value for the money up until the iPhone 6 was released.
Then the prices started getting stupid. 50%+ profit margins are great for investors, but an insult to the consumer.
My Wife's X was $1,300. ridiculous, but she's sucked into the Apple ecosystem.

I have to work with both platforms (iOS and Android), so I get to play with and use both on a daily basis.
I have a pile of various Android phones and a few relic Nokia phones running various versions of Windows Phone.
The Sammy's are still the best of the bunch by a long shot.

I need Apple gear for work, but I don't think they're worth the price Apple is asking for them today.
The newer Macs give me more hardware headaches than my older ones. Don't get me started on Apple's self inflicted headaches with iOS and MacOS updates.

My 2011 21.5" iMac is still a beast compared to my two others (2013 and a 4k 2015). The 27" is a monster, but I paid heavily for it ($3,200), and it still lags at times when rendering simple HD video in Final Cut Pro. I refuse to buy a Mac Pro as it's largely ignored by Apple and hasn't been updated in years.

I can hazard to guess that a large portion of the members here are largely Apple agnostic, as one would expect for an Apple centric forum.
The comments, outdated information and anecdotes tossed around about other platforms and manufacturers shows that many have a passive experience with them at best. Regurgitating false or outdated information seems to be the standard play.

FYI.. I'm an Apple shareholder. I'll complain about their pricing and quality all day long. But that doesn't mean I won't enjoy my retirement account any less.

 

[SuperMatt]

Does this look like something you can do with your iPhone via screen mirroring?

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Is that MacOS? No, it's the infamous DeX - Samsung's attempt to force Android onto a desktop.

You’re moving the goal posts. First you were claiming that this was no different to screen mirroring on the iPhone and now you’re saying it’s crap.

It is hard to keep track of comments on this message board. If you look at my original post that you then replied to, I was replying to somebody asking if iPhone could run MacOS on an attached monitor or TV (macduke, post #206). I then asked what OS the Samsung phone was pushing to the screen, to determine if it was a fair comparison to MacOS. DeX is clearly not in the same league as Windows or MacOS as the poster implied.

 

[Princejb134]

Cute... just totally inaccurate. And if Chrome had memory leaks, that would be Samsung's problem why? Personally, I don't use Chrome.



What is aesthetically pleasing about much larger bars above and underneath, OR, a notch? That is the choice Apple gives you. All of these companies are working with the same physical limitations of current tech. Samsung has created the greatest screen to device ratio, and in a symmetrical manner which is aesthetically pleasing to me... what is pleasing to one person may not be to others. Personally the notch is about as no pleasing as it gets.



Well since Apple patented rounded corners... seriously I agree you on the iPhone 8, but the Note and iPhone X are equally modern looking to me... except one has a big notch.



Yet they got them to market first... and in the case of the SPen, still have as an exclusive feature, which is a big reason why Note buyers keep buying Notes. Perfect companion with a Surface Pro.



So you'd rather they wait until the next version of the OS comes out to release hardware... but wait, that's what Apple does. So is it Samsung copies Apple, or not? Appears to me they are doing their own thing by staggering their products through the year rather than going with a big bang.

It will be released with a stable, and up to date release of the current version of Android. In contrast, Apple takes a several point releases to get it right... even though they completely control the whole experience.

Hey dude wrong page. Let me direct you to android websites androidcentral.com, 9to5google.com.
You seem very hateful to Apple products so why are you here?

 

[hypertoast]

Is it that hard to google for such information, it's everywhere.

share it please, you are claiming something that you do not have any proof for...

 

[pweicks]

I think they can backtrack. They were laughing about missing headphone jacks then followed suit the following year.

Samsung still has the headphone jack.

 

[convergent]

What popular watches does it look like. I can spot smartwatches from a mile away. The same thing with fashion quartz watches and mechanical watches. But then again I’m a watch fanatic and most people aren’t.

Why do I think the Apple Watch is the best designed smart watch? The rectangular design looks good. It is not trying to imitate normal watch design. The most common band material is plastic/rubber instead of coming with a really cheap stainless steel or even worse, gold plated steel bracelet. The sizes are also not ridiculous. These circular smart watches tend to be oversized which is a no no unless you have 8” wrists. The typical range for men is 36mm-42mm. 44mm is the max for larger wrists. The overwhelming majority of Swiss classics fall within that range from $4,000-$200k. The Apple Watch is the one smart watch that people who own many high-end watches will occasionally wear. I don’t see anyone that owns Pateks, AP, Rolex, Vacheron, JLC, Omega, IWC ever wearing Android watches.

In addition, it is very easy for any watch collector to determine the quality of metal bracelets. They all look like crap until you get into the $4-5k market value (real price not retail) price range. For this reason the sport bands are the best. Rubber is very popular with many high end watches at the moment and there is little discernible difference in quality from what you will find on an Apple Watch vs. a steel/gold Royal Oak or gold Daytona on rubber.

G Shock for one. My daughter has a G Shock that at a distance looks very similar to my Gear S3 Sport. The style is bigger faces, and Gear S3 is right in that same size range.

If you like the AW design, that's your personal view. To me, its not an attractive design. Worse, the UI is a mess, especially when working out or running. The rotating bezel of the Gear S3 is the best UI for a watch I've seen. Assuming the Galaxy watch will build on this.

Hey dude wrong page. Let me direct you to android websites androidcentral.com, 9to5google.com.
You seem very hateful to Apple products so why are you here?

Hey dude, maybe read the thread title. I didn't start the thread.

I don't believe I've ever said anything "hateful" about Apple products in many years on this site. Feel free to show me where I have. I have spent plenty of money on Apple products, and have a ton of them in my home. So that is why I'm here. Anything I've said is based on personal experience. I'm not a fanboy for any company. I buy what works for my needs.[/QUOTE]

 

[justperry]

share it please, you are claiming something that you do not have any proof for...

Google search
Android’s trust problem isn’t getting better
HOW ANDROID PHONES HIDE MISSED SECURITY UPDATES FROM YOU

Android vs iOS: Which Platform is More Secure in 2018

In spite of the fact that Android will be introducing new features on its Security front in 2018, the choice between Android and iOS, when it comes to which is more secure, will continue to be won over by iOS this year too.

Plenty more, but I guess you're too lazy to find out yourself. Just kidding
It's a fact and known for years.

 

[matt.browne8]

Samsung can 3D print their trophy and hand it to themselves.

Yay!

Something that nobody cares!

BTW, can anyone honestly look at that thing and not think of this?

i immediately thought of the jetsons lol

 

[Ursadorable]

Android Smartphones Vulnerable Right Out Of The Box