Samsung Debuts New Galaxy Note 9, Galaxy Watch, Wireless Charger Duo, and Galaxy Home Smart Speaker

[lec0rsaire]

I think you have completely missed the point and so contra to your previous comment on AW being the best looking smart watch its ridiculous

I think we can all deduce your overly obsevive with some perception of value instead of enjoying something that is less than common place regardless if it's design or aesthetics is worth more than its intrinsic value

Beauty may well be in the eye of the beholder but I am sure this concept is outside your grasp whist you worry about deperciation and material costs

Wrong. Every watch I mentioned is objectively beautiful. These have it all. Pedigree, heritage, iconic design and trong appreciation. As far as steel sports watches go the 5 best of all time in no order are:

Rolex Daytona
Rolex Submariner
Rolex GMT Master
AP Royal Oak
Patek Philippe Nautilus

This is not just my opinion. The overwhelming majority of the watch community is in agreement.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

I have been thinking about this point all day, even after my earlier responses, and I think I have hit on the crux of the matter.

In a nutshell, the entire argument can be summed up with one word - trust.

We Apple users buy Apple gear because we trust Apple, and I think that this is one of the really important aspects of Apple that people really don't understand. That Apple really goes the distance in building trust relationships with their customers.

For me, my trust in Apple has been built up over the years from my Apple products working the way I want them to, and the few times I have had issues with them, Apple came through by replacing them right off the bat.

This doesn't mean that Apple is perfect or beyond reproach. Far from it, but Apple has been very good in the areas that I do care about, while I find I can still tolerate the areas in which they are weak in. Their relatively few competitors are the inverse, and I think you will find that while a lot of Apple users may struggle to articulate this point, it will nevertheless come out along this line if you poke them the right way.

It's the same as how people connect with their babysitter or hairdresser. I don't evaluate them solely on objective metrics as I would a tender for a project at a company. Instead, we connect based on how well we communicate with each other, whether we trust them to be truthful and fair with us, how well we approach a given problem, and so on. That doesn't mean I am a cultist to the 40-year-old down the street who cuts my hair out of her apartment; it just means that my mom and I trust her and have built a rapport with her, and that's about 90% of what we're buying as part of that service.

To sum it all up, Apple users buy trust, not specs.

It's more like the illusion of trust due to lack of choice. iOS is a great mobile OS, but you can only choose an iPhone to use iOS. The choice of different iPhones is extremely limited and are basically the same.

It's kind of like going to the Tiffany and Co, which everything is high quality VS going to a Pawn shop and depending on your knowledge to pick out the high quality jewelry.

Yes, people trust Apple. They trust they won't make the wrong extremely limited choice. But it's easier for a consumer to choose an Android device based on looks, and being unknowledgeable that a specific model is garbage.

Too much choice is how retail stores basically scam people on Black Friday to buy these low spec TVs and act like it's such a deal based on screen size.

In the past several years, Samsung has basically solidified themselves as the go to Android flagship device. That's a big feat in a market with such a wide range of choice.

When someone steps into the Apple bubble, they are not concerned about which product is good or bad, they are only concerned about which of the limited choice of products fits their preference.

 

[SteveJUAE]

Wrong. Every watch I mentioned is objectively beautiful. These have it all. Pedigree, heritage, iconic design and trong appreciation. As far as steel sports watches go the 5 best of all time in no order are:

Rolex Daytona
Rolex Submariner
Rolex GMT Master
AP Royal Oak
Patek Philippe Nautilus

This is not just my opinion. The overwhelming majority of the watch community is in agreement.

And what has this got to do with your comment on AW ? your so far off track now

I am not disputing or even commenting these fine time pieces, you seem to have got muddled up somewhere in covering your previous remark

I think this commentary has ended now and somewhat off topic to the main thread

 

[Sackofnickels]

I don’t see Apple implementing a feature which requires a ton of other components to use properly.
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So you don’t have a laptop, but expect to have a monitor, keyboard and mouse just lying around for you?

Or would it simply be easier to just connect your phone to the projector via an adaptor?

You mean like Dongles?
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Wrong. Every watch I mentioned is objectively beautiful. These have it all. Pedigree, heritage, iconic design and trong appreciation. As far as steel sports watches go the 5 best of all time in no order are:

Rolex Daytona
Rolex Submariner
Rolex GMT Master
AP Royal Oak
Patek Philippe Nautilus

This is not just my opinion. The overwhelming majority of the watch community is in agreement.

Your comparison is sort of a stretch. Comparing an Apple Watch to a Patek Philippe? Thats like trying to say that a Hyundai is a masterpiece and a work of art because it is made of metal and rubber like a Ferrari... Makes no sense.

 

[I7guy]

It's more like the illusion of trust due to lack of choice. iOS is a great mobile OS, but you can only choose an iPhone to use iOS. The choice of different iPhones is extremely limited and are basically the same.

It's kind of like going to the Tiffany and Co, which everything is high quality VS going to a Pawn shop and depending on your knowledge to pick out the high quality jewelry.

Yes, people trust Apple. They trust they won't make the wrong extremely limited choice. But it's easier for a consumer to choose an Android device based on looks, and being unknowledgeable that a specific model is garbage.

Too much choice is how retail stores basically scam people on Black Friday to buy these low spec TVs and act like it's such a deal based on screen size.

In the past several years, Samsung has basically solidified themselves as the go to Android flagship device. That's a big feat in a market with such a wide range of choice.

When someone steps into the Apple bubble, they are not concerned about which product is good or bad, they are only concerned about which of the limited choice of products fits their preference.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that; the bolded at the bottom. It’s called consumer preferences and choice.
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You mean like Dongles?
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Your comparison is sort of a stretch. Comparing an Apple Watch to a Patek Philippe? Thats like trying to say that a Hyundai is a masterpiece and a work of art because it is made of metal and rubber like a Ferrari... Makes no sense.

What’s wrong with dongles. My win 10 laptop has plenty of ports and I use dongles. My tower desktop as well has various dongles attached.

 

[Sackofnickels]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that; the bolded at the bottom. It’s called consumer preferences and choice.
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What’s wrong with dongles. My win 10 laptop has plenty of ports and I use dongles. My tower desktop as well has various dongles attached.

Nothing wrong with Dongles at all. I'm sure you have a fine collection of Dongles.

 

[PickUrPoison]

Dex is basically a portable desktop experience. Not meant to be an actual desktop OS. A user doesn't have to use it, it doesn't get in the way of anything. But for those that want to use it, it's there. And it works pretty damn good, for when you want a desktop experience in browsing, windowed multitasking, using office docs, and etc. So much better than just mirroring the mobile UI.

Would be nice if iPhone had something similar.

iOS is optimized for touch. Apple will never bring a mouse to iOS, and they don’t need to since they already have MacOS, which is optimized for mouse.

But Apple could bring the ability for iOS devices to switch to MacOS if the user is near their screen/mouse/keyboard setup. It would probably show up first on iPad. No cables necessary, it’ll all be wireless. A lot smaller than the Mac mini. Mac micro.

 

[I7guy]

Nothing wrong with Dongles at all. I'm sure you have a fine collection of Dongles.

I do. However the point is they are sometimes necessary even with a plethora of ports.

 

[Cankoda]

My S9 Plus had a heart rate sensor.

Oled displays

Samsung were the first android OEM to have a smart watch. Well ahead of the game on that one.

I didn’t know about the heart rate thing, that’s kinda neat, but to be fair buy an app in any smartphone and you have a heart rate sensor, my 4S worked decently as a heart rate sensor

I know Samsung has used oled in all their phones (somehow still the only company good at making them). But don’t think they were first to put it in a phone, Nokia may have beat them.

They were not well head of the game on the smartwatch, the gear cam out in June 2014 and the Apple Watch came out in September and definitely was the device to popularize it, though Peble was the one to start the trend and Sony I think had the first watch to work with a phone.

To be fair neither Apple nore Samsung “invent” these technologies but it once they get a hold of them they become popular and mainstream

 

[Shanghaichica]

I didn’t know about the heart rate thing, that’s kinda neat, but to be fair buy an app in any smartphone and you have a heart rate sensor, my 4S worked decently as a heart rate sensor

I know Samsung has used oled in all their phones (somehow still the only company good at making them). But don’t think they were first to put it in a phone, Nokia may have beat them.

They were not well head of the game on the smartwatch, the gear cam out in June 2014 and the Apple Watch came out in September and definitely was the device to popularize it, though Peble was the one to start the trend and Sony I think had the first watch to work with a phone.

To be fair neither Apple nore Samsung “invent” these technologies but it once they get a hold of them they become popular and mainstream

The first galaxy gear watch came out in September 2013 a full year before Apple even showed off theirs. The first Apple Watch didn’t come out until April 2015. Not saying Samsung popularised the smartwatch but they had a smartwatch on the market a full year before Apple even announced theirs and 20 months before Apple put their first watch out.

 

[gijoeinla]

You talk a lot of nonsense for someone who doesnt know anything about another person since I own a X since launch and I also happen to own the AirPods so my point still stands, Samsung devices cap more technology inside than any iPhone ever will, dont forget where your "X" screen comes from.
Also FaceId isnt perfect in fact Touch ID is miles better since its faster and doesnt get tricked by a twin.
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I'll give you the OS updates but how do you know you are totally safe on Apple's side? What proof do you have that your data is private and not used by Apple? Tim Cook's interviews? Apple's terms and conditions would love to have a talk with you.

Oh ok. At least my finger doesn’t accidentally cover the lense of my camera when trying to use “touch ID” on the BACK of a Samesong. And let’s not forget who perfected Touch ID to begin with. Who cares about the Twins thing. I don’t miss Touch ID a bit. In fact I want a new iPad Pro WITHOUT it. I now find Touch ID annoying.

I’ll give you YOUR experience whilst you give me mine..

 

[ann713]

Oh ok. At least my finger doesn’t accidentally cover the lense of my camera when trying to use “touch ID” on the BACK of a Samesong. And let’s not forget who perfected Touch ID to begin with. Who cares about the Twins thing. I don’t miss Touch ID a bit. In fact I want a new iPad Pro WITHOUT it. I now find Touch ID annoying.

I’ll give you YOUR experience whilst you give me mine..

What are you going on about? The fingerprint scanner is below the lens now and it's really a non-issue (I had the S9 for 4 months). Sounds completely biased.

 

[Shanghaichica]

What are you going on about? The fingerprint scanner is below the lens now and it's really a non-issue (I had the S9 for 4 months). Sounds completely biased.

At least they bothered to complain about something fairly recent. I saw someone in this thread trying to say that the S8 and S9 were made of plastic.

 

[hypertoast]

Google search
Android’s trust problem isn’t getting better
HOW ANDROID PHONES HIDE MISSED SECURITY UPDATES FROM YOU

Android vs iOS: Which Platform is More Secure in 2018


Plenty more, but I guess you're too lazy to find out yourself. Just kidding
It's a fact and known for years.

Does not mean Android is less secure. Just lays the onus on the manufacturers to push timely updates which some dont adhere. You make a blanket statement that Android is insecure and iOS is more superior.


I am all in for iOS push and control of the updates, but saying Android is blanket insecure is wrong.

Apple has had its share of flaws over the time. Sure they have patched it too. Does it mean ios is insecure (when flaw is identified) ? No.

It's not a fact, that's all.

 

[justperry]

Does not mean Android is less secure. Just lays the onus on the manufacturers to push timely updates which some dont adhere. You make a blanket statement that Android is insecure and iOS is more superior.


I am all in for iOS push and control of the updates, but saying Android is blanket insecure is wrong.

Apple has had its share of flaws over the time. Sure they have patched it too. Does it mean ios is insecure (when flaw is identified) ? No.

It's not a fact, that's all.

Last time I reply, you seem to gaze over the...

In spite of the fact that Android will be introducing new features on its Security front in 2018, the choice between Android and iOS, when it comes to which is more secure, will continue to be won over by iOS this year too.

 

[rjohnstone]

I didn’t know about the heart rate thing, that’s kinda neat, but to be fair buy an app in any smartphone and you have a heart rate sensor, my 4S worked decently as a heart rate sensor

Samsung has put actual heart rate sensors on their Galaxy phones since the S5/Note 4.
They can also measure blood O2 levels from the same sensor.
There is no "app" that can mimic a proper heart rate sensor.

 

[LordVic]

What are you going on about? The fingerprint scanner is below the lens now and it's really a non-issue (I had the S9 for 4 months). Sounds completely biased.

when a poster start throwing around ad-hominems like "SAMESONG" and the like, it's often best to just ignore and move on.

 

[Skoal]

They could learn how to make their own Hardware like Samsung does for example?

Apple could easily make their own hardware but why? Not everything in a Samsung phone is Samsung hardwear.

 

[Skoal]

Why would anyone want to “support” a design compromise. Good for Samsung not getting suckered in.

So by “design compromise” you’re also saying Samsung did so with their subpar facial recognition feature?

 

[Radon87000]

And their competition, imo, is more huawei and oppo.

They are so irrelevant that Samsung can buy them all with their cash in bank. Samsung isn't afraid of Chinese clones of an iPhone X. These Chinese manufacturers and Google don't realise if I wanted an iPhone X, I would get the real thing. Now even Nokia and Moto have ripped off the notch leaving Samsung the only one to not have one.

Kudos to Samsung for maintaining their identity in this flooded notch market. If it doesn't have a notch its a Galaxy. If it has one, hmm ?

I seem to remember you were the only one fretting about it. I said it would be fine and Apple came back like gangbusters.

I also told you Samsung would be perfectly fine after that battery fiasco and that Apple will soon use their displays on their phones and phase out LCD to the bargain bin where it belongs.

Don’t worry I expect Apple to still be worth one trillion.

And yet sales will still show a decline as people get tired of this new design

Samsung doesn’t have a monopoly on oled but as oled is replaced by new tech, Samsung had better hope it doesn’t get left In The dust.


Or maybe not the difference you think as you have not seen the panel or the phone.

LG's OLED are horrible and this has been showcased on not only the Pixel but on their own devices. Their OLEDs are so bad that they cant even display colors as they were intended

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/10/18/16489756/google-pixel-2xl-awful-lg-oled-screen

"Look at that New York Times icon in the image above. Stop flinching and really look at it, soak in the kaleidoscope of colors washing over it. Just to make sure we’re all on the same page, I’m seeing a haze of green in the middle of the gothic “T”, which then blooms into a red that eventually transitions into the white that the icon is supposed to be. But the fun isn’t over; when you get up real close, you’ll see the edges of the icon are all fringed by a sort of purply-red and, again, green. The neighboring heart icon, which is also supposed to be white, presents us with a crosshatch of red and green and white micropixels.

Does that look like 2017 to you?"

In fact the Galaxy from 2012 had a better display.

I have no doubt anything goes for Timmy when it comes to maximum profits and if burn in shows up on the LG panel panel a few years later, the likely solution Apple will resort to will be to surreptitiously reduce brightness in a software update or something like how they cheated customers with throttlegate instead of issuing a recall and standing behind their product. Probably call it a fancy name like "Display optimisations". No thanks. I will be returning my X Plus enmasse till I get a Samsung OLED.

 

[I7guy]

They are so irrelevant that Samsung can buy them all with their cash in bank. Samsung isn't afraid of Chinese clones of an iPhone X. These Chinese manufacturers and Google don't realise if I wanted an iPhone X, I would get the real thing. Now even Nokia and Moto have ripped off the notch leaving Samsung the only one to not have one.

So one person says their irrelevant and the other says they are the main competition. You internet guys ought to get together and get your stories straight. Either way, huawei is more competition to Samsung, imo.

Kudos to Samsung for maintaining their identity in this flooded notch market. If it doesn't have a notch its a Galaxy. If it has one, hmm ?

Chin or notch. Take your pick.

I also told you Samsung would be perfectly fine after that battery fiasco and that Apple will soon use their displays on their phones and phase out LCD to the bargain bin where it belongs.

I don’t call dismall phone sales being perfectly fine. The mobile phone division is bleeding money, washing machines are exploding and oled panel futures are going down.

And yet sales will still show a decline as people get tired of this new design

You don’t know Apple sales for iphones.

LG's OLED are horrible and this has been showcased on not only the Pixel but on their own devices. Their OLEDs are so bad that they cant even display colors as they were intended

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/10/18/16489756/google-pixel-2xl-awful-lg-oled-screen

"Look at that New York Times icon in the image above. Stop flinching and really look at it, soak in the kaleidoscope of colors washing over it. Just to make sure we’re all on the same page, I’m seeing a haze of green in the middle of the gothic “T”, which then blooms into a red that eventually transitions into the white that the icon is supposed to be. But the fun isn’t over; when you get up real close, you’ll see the edges of the icon are all fringed by a sort of purply-red and, again, green. The neighboring heart icon, which is also supposed to be white, presents us with a crosshatch of red and green and white micropixels.

Does that look like 2017 to you?"

In fact the Galaxy from 2012 had a better display.

Have you seen an lg display on an Apple phone? Comment when you have.

I have no doubt anything goes for Timmy when it comes to maximum profits and if burn in shows up on the LG panel panel a few years later, the likely solution Apple will resort to will be to surreptitiously reduce brightness in a software update or something like how they cheated customers with throttlegate instead of issuing a recall and standing behind their product. Probably call it a fancy name like "Display optimisations". No thanks. I will be returning my X Plus enmasse till I get a Samsung OLED.

It’s great you can already predict the future.

 

[Radon87000]

So one person says their irrelevant and the other says they are the main competition. You internet guys ought to get together and get your stories straight. Either way, huawei is more competition to Samsung, imo.

What I am saying is based on facts. One look at Samsung's balance sheet will tell you the facts.

Chin or notch. Take your pick.

Doesn't matter to me as the reason both exist is to maintain a unique identity. Unfortunately for Apple everyone copied the notch except Samsung. So if it has a chin it's a Galaxy

I don’t call dismall phone sales being perfectly fine.

Very similar to the down quarters we had for iPhone 6s and iPhone 7. Samsung haven't changed their design in a long time now. Once they launch a new design expect record sales.

mobile phone division is bleeding money, washing machines are exploding and oled panel futures are going down.

At least they aren't cheating customers.

You don’t know Apple sales for iphones.

I am saying Apple's sales YoY will show a decline in the iPhone segment in the coming years as people get tired of this new design. Reportedly the 2018 5.8 iPhone X has no new features so it seems it's back to the same old same old again.

Have you seen an lg display on an Apple phone? Comment when you have.

Any company who makes a display that bad in 2017 and has the nerve to charge 1k for it isn't getting anywhere near my wallet. Worse, the company is being paired with another company who is well known for asking customers to pay for their own faults.

It’s great you can already predict the future.

It isn't hard when you have Throttlegate and Touch Disease as a track record.

 

[I7guy]

What I am saying is based on facts. One look at Samsung's balance sheet will tell you the facts.

I’m not asking how their washing machine or fab business is doing. How is this mobile phone division doing?

Doesn't matter to me as the reason both exist is to maintain a unique identity. Unfortunately for Apple everyone copied the notch except Samsung. So if it has a chin it's a Galaxy

You’re a big chin person, others are notch people. No right no wrong, except galaxys still look generic to me.

Very similar to the down quarters we had for iPhone 6s and iPhone 7. Samsung haven't changed their design in a long time now. Once they launch a new design expect record sales.

You mean the down quarters where the worst Apple earned in a quarter was more than Samsung in an entire year? I’ll bet you no record sales, even after they change the design.

At least they aren't cheating customers.

Judging by apple’s last record breaker I’m not sure which customer feels cheated, but I’m sure people will come out of the woodwork to say so.

I am saying Apple's sales YoY will show a decline in the iPhone segment in the coming years as people get tired of this new design. Reportedly the 2018 5.8 iPhone X has no new features so it seems it's back to the same old same old again.

I’m saying this won’t happen.

Any company who makes a display that bad in 2017 and has the nerve to charge 1k for it isn't getting anywhere near my wallet. Worse, the company is being paired with another company who is well known for asking customers to pay for their own faults.

Okay, buy what you want.

It isn't hard when you have Throttlegate and Touch Disease as a track record.

what's throttle gate and touch disease?

 

[FFR]

I’m not asking how their washing machine or fab business is doing. How is this mobile phone division doing?


You’re a big chin person, others are notch people. No right no wrong, except galaxys still look generic to me.


You mean the down quarters where the worst Apple earned in a quarter was more than Samsung in an entire year? I’ll bet you no record sales, even after they change the design.


Judging by apple’s last record breaker I’m not sure which customer feels cheated, but I’m sure people will come out of the woodwork to say so.


I’m saying this won’t happen.


Okay, buy what you want.


what's throttle gate and touch disease?

Yeah s9 sales are crashing.

“Samsung quarterly profits slip on poor galaxy s9 sales.
https://www.ft.com/content/8e821fde-80b8-11e8-bc55-50daf11b720d


Doesn’t he have an iPhone X over an s9 or a note.

I think that says a lot.

 

[FFR]

Seems Samsung will end up being the only manufacturer to not support a notch.

Yup, defiantly a dated design.

Well they did make their side bezels chunkier instead of having a notch.