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Who are "you guys"? One person made a mild remark. Yet you decided to lecture to the crowd from your self-appointed platform of morale superiority.

Right back atcha: "You, guy" (singular) needs to stop moralizing, lecturing, and self-aggrandizing. Go right ahead and ignore the comments you don't like and just read the articles that you enjoy. It's a free forum for anyone to complain, as well for "some people" to issue commandments from their respective high-horses.

Now you've done it-- I'm starting to sound like you. GRRR, and apologies to innocent bystanders. :eek:

At the time of my post, there were 3 people who made a comment. 2 have apparently been deleted.
 
The whole OS debate is laughable because many of those arguing know little to nothing about Android - only what they've read on here or what they've experienced for 5-10 minutes in a store. Oh yes - there are some Android users with experience. I don't discount that. But many regurgitate old rhetoric.

It should also be pointed out that you can't compare OSes and update paths because with Android, the core apps constantly get updated and also now that Google has play services with extended control over devices, those updates happen quite frequently without a need for a whole new OS "version"

I use both iOS (iPad rMini) and the S5, so I have experience with both. I feel like iOS does some things right, but feels like a dumbed down OS because it can't handle everything I do on my S5. Once you unshackle it with a jailbreak, it becomes much better.
 
Really? :rolleyes:

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Oh by the way, clean stock ROM images are very easy to find on the manufacturer's website, and can be flashed easily with the stock recovery tool. For example: http://samsung-updates.com/device/?id=SM-N900T

I don't want to sound harsh, but your comment is full of ignorance

Before you call someone ignorant, do your own research and make sure you aren't giving false information. App ops was disabled by Google in KitKat!! Also, it was always a 3rd party app that not many people knew about it (look at the reviews & downloads statistics for the app).

As for your "unlocked" easy to install ROMs, they still contain crap. A T-Mobile ROM is not clear of all the crap they install, it just doesn't have AT&T things.. Still has the Samsung "added value" apps.

Or when I buy a $600 phone you expect users to track down ROMs, unlock your phone, flash them. Hope to God it doesn't brick your phone and move on.

Technies, sure, everyone else hello no.

Who are you kidding. How old is your phone anyway...

http://pocketnow.com/2013/12/17/app-ops

Had to add one of the most popular quotes for this...

“The disappearance of App Ops is alarming news for Android users. The fact that they cannot turn off app permissions is a Stygian hole in the Android security model, and a billion people’s data is being sucked through. Embarrassingly, it is also one that Apple managed to fix in iOS years ago.”
 
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I can guarantee apple would never do something like this. Someone already said it, Samsung does things just because they can.

It's called pioneering a new technology. Curved screen is fairly new technology. If you just sit on them, they won't go anywhere. You gotta make use of it to improve upon existing technology. What you said is like calling Wright brothers flew just because they can and the whole flying is useless because they were able to fly only 100 feet or so.

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It's called optimisation, something Apple does very well.

Yes, Apple does it very well so they have constant refreshing in Safari tab. I find Safari tab to be a glorified favorite bar. I open multiple tabs so I can quickly go back and forth. What safari does is similar to me just adding the URL to the favorite and clicking on them to switch between sites.
 
It's called pioneering a new technology. Curved screen is fairly new technology. If you just sit on them, they won't go anywhere. You gotta make use of it to improve upon existing technology. What you said is like calling Wright brothers flew just because they can and the whole flying is useless because they were able to fly only 100 feet or so.

Its also called being the guinea pig. You don't think Apple has the money, R&D and fan base to be first to the party on a device? Apple likes to sit back and learn from others failures rather than rushing out a product. Galaxy Gear anyone? Massive failure. Apple sat back and watched and learned and their wearable will be huge.
 
Its also called being the guinea pig. You don't think Apple has the money, R&D and fan base to be first to the party on a device? Apple likes to sit back and learn from others failures rather than rushing out a product. Galaxy Gear anyone? Massive failure. Apple sat back and watched and learned and their wearable will be huge.

You said it right there. Apple doesn't innovate. They just sit back and wait for other companies to innovate and slaps them on their product when the technology's mature and act like it's their tech.
 
Its also called being the guinea pig. You don't think Apple has the money, R&D and fan base to be first to the party on a device? Apple likes to sit back and learn from others failures rather than rushing out a product. Galaxy Gear anyone? Massive failure. Apple sat back and watched and learned and their wearable will be huge.

gear wasn't a failure. It does what I want from a watch. Notifications, meetings, calls when needed, health features, timer, stopwatch.

certainly don't think it was a fail. I think it's a fail for those who want too much out of a watch IMO.
 
So what will you guys say if Apple does indeed release the device with 2GB of RAM? You will then praise it and switch line to something along the lines of it needed it and blah blah blah.

It gets old after awhile, doesn't it? Apple is not a perfect company, they do not make perfect decisions. Sometimes they decide poorly, sometimes they decide well.

nope. i wont say that. i have learnt to trust apple enough to believe that the latest devices wont compromise on user experience knowingly. that i cant say about many other brands. so, whatever apple chooses, i will expect it to be good enough. of course if i dont find it, i will lose my trust and apple will lose my money. plain and simple. :)

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You said it right there. Apple doesn't innovate. They just sit back and wait for other companies to innovate and slaps them on their product when the technology's mature and act like it's their tech.

sorry. learning something and doing it better does not mean copying which samsung does. you need to recheck what innovation is. not much in fundamental level but a lot in user experience and expectation. they are good at it. very good at it.
 
nope. i wont say that. i have learnt to trust apple enough to believe that the latest devices wont compromise on user experience knowingly. that i cant say about many other brands. so, whatever apple chooses, i will expect it to be good enough. of course if i dont find it, i will lose my trust and apple will lose my money. plain and simple. :)

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sorry. learning something and doing it better does not mean copying which samsung does. you need to recheck what innovation is. not much in fundamental level but a lot in user experience and expectation. they are good at it. very good at it.

Funny Apple copies all the time from other companies too. Samsung is paving the road on curved display while Apple is innovating with squares with rounded corners.
 
Because one of the few Android's reasons of existence is to sell hardware components. Manufacturers tried to differentiate themselves with front end software rewraps but soon they figured out that there is no way in hell you can deep modify it without sacrificing already lackluster smoothness and performance so they ditched it. Now its all about CPU, Camera, Screen Resolution or Size and other internal or external hardware ideas. Similar to "goodl ol days" of Windows.

Comparing Android to iOS, WP and BB10 doesn't make sense. Android is simply inferior solution when it comes to performance, all other three blow it out of the water cause they are optimized and conceptualized in a much more efficient way hence they require less computing power and RAM cause they don't leak as much.

One can only hope that Android L is complete rewrite.

Umm... my 4 year old Nook Color runs KitKat just fine on 512MB of RAM.

Your statement may be right for pre-KitKat. But with KitKat, Android no longer demands huge amounts of RAM.

Edit: My HP TouchPad from 2011 with 1 GB of RAM also runs KitKat like a champ.
 
Ok. A Samsung phablet which looks different but is awkward to hold. You will accidently press that edge all the time and a $200 Motorola G will still open apps quicker and feels like a speedier device overall than this TouchWiz pile of cr@p. Well, they are tying, you have to give them that. Nevertheless the peak time for Samsung is over. It is how it is. There are better Android devices out there. And much cheaper as well. :cool:

Stylus? I used mine 3 times on my Note. In the almost 3 years the Note series has been available here in Hong Kong I have seen *TWICE* people using a stylus. And mind you, in HK everybody and his dog is having a phablet. TWICE... :p

If the stylus was a main factor for people getting a phablet, other manufacturers would have added one as well in their top tier devices surely. But they don't. Because most give a frack about using a pen because it is still impractical.

Ok, the Note 4 is as boring as expected. Looking forward to the Motorola Shamu.

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gear wasn't a failure. It does what I want from a watch. Notifications, meetings, calls when needed, health features, timer, stopwatch.

certainly don't think it was a fail. I think it's a fail for those who want too much out of a watch IMO.

If you think the Gear wasn't a failure then you must have your head buried so deep in the sand, that you can see Australia from below. :rolleyes:
 
Ok. A Samsung phablet which looks different but is awkward to hold. You will accidently press that edge all the time and a $200 Motorola G will still open apps quicker and feels like a speedier device overall than this TouchWiz pile of cr@p. Well, they are tying, you have to give them that. Nevertheless the peak time for Samsung is over. It is how it is. There are better Android devices out there. And much cheaper as well. :cool:

Stylus? I used mine 3 times on my Note. In the almost 3 years the Note series has been available here in Hong Kong I have seen *TWICE* people using a stylus. And mind you, in HK everybody and his dog is having a phablet. TWICE... :p

If the stylus was a main factor for people getting a phablet, other manufacturers would have added one as well in their top tier devices surely. But they don't. Because most give a frack about using a pen because it is still impractical.

Ok, the Note 4 is as boring as expected. Looking forward to the Motorola Shamu.

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If you think the Gear wasn't a failure then you must have your head buried so deep in the sand, that you can see Australia from below. :rolleyes:
As I said in my post no it wasn't a failure. I love my gear 2 for what it does. It does exactly what I need it to do.

And your above post as just as bad. It's arguably the best Android phone on the market. So no I don't see any better ones out now.
 
You drop that wrap-around (what we use to call those really big, extra long turds after Thanks Giving) and its all over.

That thing will break if it was simply knocked of a side table.
 
And people claim tech sites overhype Apple events/products.

Where's the "overhype"? I don't buy Samsung products, but for a website to have a page about Samsung products that, I imagine, occured after a Samsung event... well isn't that just normal?

Fanboyism for any product is horrible to see.

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That rounded edge thing is kind of neat. Reminds me of an old Siemens phone I had that used lights on the side to notify the user of messages or missed calls. I think I'd rather take a "transparent" monochrome-OLED display hiding on the rear of the device to display stuff when the main display is off, though.
 
20+ mins of cheesy music whilst they make people wait for their "event" to begin? Who decides to allow uploads of keynotes that have all that empty space at the beginning? If that wasn't bad enough, the "event" itself just takes the biscuit... LOL

They don't even introduce the keynote at the beginning, they just have some hipsters playing some awkward, pretentious music... WHAT IS THIS NONSENSE? LOL!

:D:D
Still better than Apple bringing out Coldplay, or John Meyer. :p
 
Ok. A Samsung phablet which looks different but is awkward to hold. You will accidently press that edge all the time and a $200 Motorola G will still open apps quicker and feels like a speedier device overall than this TouchWiz pile of cr@p. Well, they are tying, you have to give them that. Nevertheless the peak time for Samsung is over. It is how it is. There are better Android devices out there. And much cheaper as well. :cool:

Stylus? I used mine 3 times on my Note. In the almost 3 years the Note series has been available here in Hong Kong I have seen *TWICE* people using a stylus. And mind you, in HK everybody and his dog is having a phablet. TWICE... :p

If the stylus was a main factor for people getting a phablet, other manufacturers would have added one as well in their top tier devices surely. But they don't. Because most give a frack about using a pen because it is still impractical.

Ok, the Note 4 is as boring as expected. Looking forward to the Motorola Shamu.

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If you think the Gear wasn't a failure then you must have your head buried so deep in the sand, that you can see Australia from below. :rolleyes:

I own an note 2, share some of your thoughts about Phablets and Crapsung, eh sorry I meant to said Samsung.

About the Note 4, as I wrote earlier, it's boring, same **** as the note 3 just added useless resolution and fingerprint scanner, Touchwiz still the biggest error from Samsung, bloat the system on a hardware that whatsoever it's excellent.

I disagree with you on the S-Pen, as active digitizer provides unique possibilities for drawing, also navigating legacy websites that requires to mouse hover a menu to interact, the spen it's all what you need, also drawing sketches, capturing screen it's fantastic, not to said it's outstanding utility on graphics or drawing apps.

I agree you on samsung's time it's over, I don't want to update the note 2 for a note 4, while I consider very very attractive the Note 4 + Gear VR combination.

About android Smartwatches, one and every proposed watches it's an drawer queen, who thinks a craap you need to charge every night and then strap every morning is something you need? I back the Smartwatch concept but a reasonable Smartwatch needs at least 86h battery life on typical usage, not just stdby time just normal usage.

Another strike for Samsung it's their lack of updates just 2 year after the device launch (or no updates since last sold expires it's warranty), This it's shameful, my *old* Note 2 will not receive android L while it's hardware actually meets or exceed android L requirements, the same could be said on other android manufacturers.

I would love (and purchased) an 8.4 note with current Tab S internals and screen plus the usefulness of the S-Pen but Samsung executives seem ditched the smaller note tablet.

Whatever I'm keeping my M8 as main phone as long I buy an iPhone 6 4.7.

If I need to replace my M8 due accident or robbery, I'll get an Blackberry Q20 or Passport.

No Android device appeals me right now.
 
You said it right there. Apple doesn't innovate. They just sit back and wait for other companies to innovate and slaps them on their product when the technology's mature and act like it's their tech.

Incorrect, they create a market. How were MP3 players doing before the iPod came along? Most people had never even heard of one. A year after the iPod, there are dozens of copycats trying to cash in on the market Apple created. How were tablet sales doing before the iPad? Pretty much non existent. What happened after the iPad? Yep, tons of Android copycats trying to cash in on the market Apple created. Don't even get me started on what the iPhone did for smartphones as we know them today, thats well documented.
 
Incorrect, they create a market. How were MP3 players doing before the iPod came along? Most people had never even heard of one. A year after the iPod, there are dozens of copycats trying to cash in on the market Apple created. How were tablet sales doing before the iPad? Pretty much non existent. What happened after the iPad? Yep, tons of Android copycats trying to cash in on the market Apple created. Don't even get me started on what the iPhone did for smartphones as we know them today, thats well documented.

Your argument keeps repeating this: If Apple copies other company and creates market, that's an innovation. If other company does the exact same thing, it's a blatant copy. MP3s were doing good before Apple 'copied' other company with iPod (by the way with horrible sound). By your analogy, Android created the market? (look at the market share).
 
Funny Apple copies all the time from other companies too. Samsung is paving the road on curved display while Apple is innovating with squares with rounded corners.

u just failed to read this:
not much in fundamental level but a lot in user experience and expectation.
sorry i didnt make it bold. :confused:
 
Your argument keeps repeating this: If Apple copies other company and creates market, that's an innovation. If other company does the exact same thing, it's a blatant copy. MP3s were doing good before Apple 'copied' other company with iPod (by the way with horrible sound). By your analogy, Android created the market? (look at the market share).

Actually, no, mp3 and mp3 players were NOT doing good before the iPod. There were mp3 players by Creative, B&O, Sony, Archos, Sandisk and even more recently Microsoft. Large, cumbersome, poor battery life, clumsy interfaces, and at the bottom end, very small capacity. Where are these mp3 players now? You don't even hear of them.

Also, at the time when mp3's and other digital music formats were created, the RIAA was out on a witch hunt to shut down any and all music sharing sites and programs like Kazaa, Limewire, and lets not mention Napster. We all know how that went down.

It wasn't until Apple introduced the iPod and then the iTunes Store that digital music sales really took off.
 
don't think anybody says others don't already have it. Fact is a more premium look was needed and they finally did it with the metal look and it looks nice.
The guy I quoted called it "original" so the point about everyone and their mother already using it was more than appropriate.

As for a premium feel, I don't think metal always means a premium feel. I've worked with plenty of Russian made metal tools and none of them have felt very premium. An $800 device feeling cheap is a pretty low point for a manufacturer when you think about it.
 
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