I repeat, any proof to back your claims that Samsung pays a lot of commissions?
P.S. And I will tell you a little secret, the world doesn't end on USA borders.
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Samsung Easily Tops Apple to Become World's Top Smartphone Manufacturer
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I repeat, any proof to back your claims that Samsung pays a lot of commissions?
P.S. And I will tell you a little secret, the world doesn't end on USA borders.
Where do you go to buy a country? Apple might be able to buy the total output of many weak countries (the definition of GDP), but buying the country is a different matter. It's the difference between someone having your yearly paycheck in cash, and being able to buy you.
The point is we get more money for selling any android device vs Apple devices. I don't know how else you are going to try and flip this.
My point is that if Apple used the same strategy of paying more commission then we would see a different story altogether.
Oh! So you haven't used it yet? And everything you've read? Where? Let me go through it as well.
But sure, dreaming isn't bad. You can dream all you want.
Sure, iOS got tabbed browsing late, but that's just for the iPad. Fair enough.
I use iCab Mobile anyway.
As for the Android browser, it lags. It is not straight forward. Most of the time you still got to figure out the controls. I checked out SGT 10.1 and I couldn't find the menu at all. Being a UNIX geek myself, I was terrified.
You through a ******** of JS and the browser dies with gigs of RAM or no other program opened at all.
There are videos proving the same on youtube. You might wanna go and check it out. Plus the fact that it is inherently slow and its rendering is absolute ****.
Better than WP7 browser which ****s up on MR itself.
That's your impression. Mine is totally different. Apple is primarily a great software company that defines cutting edge hardware to bring that great software into existence. One could call Apple a design company or a vertical integrator; but I still prefer referring them to as a Software Company. Saying that they are a hardware company is stupid, really.
Great apps make it productive. So does the overall fluency of the operating system. Both don't exist on Android.
The point is that you haven´t showed any proof of that. And, precisely, you're talking about the carrier in USA with the worst Android phones.
It's neither samsung nor apple that pays your commission, the reason you get more when you sell android phones is because they're cheaper, so the carrier in this case AT&T makes more money selling a contract with an android phone vs an iphone, ie the subsidy per iphone might be bigger
It'll take 10 years, if not more, until something like Siri will be revolutionary. That said, having it is of course not a negative, but there are many things that need to happen before things get really exciting so to speak (e.g. The semantic web).
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Like stated several times, this whole conspiracy argument is anything but thought through. For devices to be shipped there are two requirements: 1) someone must produce the device 2) someone must order the device. Each step in this process incurs costs (manufacturing costs, logistics costs, warehouse costs etc.). It is, simply put, not possible to keep stuffing quarter after quarter. You see, if products are not in demand you simply do not throw money down the drain by producing/ordering more.
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Exactly. And evidently, these devices end up being sold as retailer demand is increasing rather than decreasing.
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Which is why we can conclude that the devices are indeed being both shipped and sold, as shipped units is continuously increasing.
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No, Samsung reports shipping because they don't sell the devices on their own. Not selling the devices, all data they have to go buy are incoming orders (and eventual returns).
Anyhow, read above to see why it doesn't really matter in this case. Unlike the touchpad, we're seeing re-shipments, so to speak.
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Wouldn't make sense for Samsung to pay commission. What they could do is drop the unit costs to allow for higher vendor margins, which automatically would generate incentives for the retailer to sell more Samsung devices (which in turn would oft-times translate into sales commissions... as a sold Samsung device would generate more profit than sale of a similar non-Samsung device).
Business 101.
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Exactly.
Too bad it's made of glass
But that plastic crap doesn't shatter when you drop it.. Or scratch like and iphone..
Are you kidding me? Apple only cares about your money.. Nothing more.. Just like every other big business
I'm willing to bet that most of these sales are people upgrading from the 3GS...
At lest the plastic piece of crap doesn't shatter when you drop it...
Nice I would like to see this.. But I'm afraid the fanboys will be upset that samsung came out with something before apple..
And people say Samsung doesn't innovate.
Lets see how long it takes the fanboy to cry fowl when apple comes out with this and says samsung copied apple..
Mostly upgrades.. Still count's as sales though..
Siri needs network connectivity to work. So it doesn't work on the phone itself, it works on apple's servers to figure out what you said and send it back to the phone.. Nothing new here.. Move along...
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ORLY? Where does this article compare SHIPPED units for Apple and Samsung? From shipped unit numbers, you can conclude what the trend is in shipping, but those numbers will lag actual market conditions more than sales numbers.
Like I said, I don't dispute that Samsung COULD have sold more phones during the 4th quarter than Apple, I just said the DATA DOESN'T PROVE THAT.
What if there was a huge consumer defection during this quarter and a sudden realization that Samsung phones are inferior quality, and consumers stopped buying them? That won't show up in SHIPPED numbers for a couple of quarters, when the demand/supply interactions trickle down to shipping.
No matter how the Fandroid club spins it, this comparison proves nothing about Apple vs. Samsung sales or popularity. Be patient. Real numbers may eventually come out to vindicate your claims. But try to choke down the fact that these aren't them.
That makes sense.
I'm still pitching an Android device because I'm getting paid more to do so. Do you atleast agree with me that if it were the opposite sales would be different than what they are today?
Also worth noting, Samsung does not provide sales numbers anymore. The numbers presented here is an approximation done by an analyst firm, so perhaps we should take all this with a grain of salt?
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And how many quarters have to wait until that? Because shipments have been increasing quarter after quarter for more than a year.
Wow, I was not aware that 4+ million people bought their iPhone 4S because it is a status symbol.
You people do not understand, bad Kool-Aid does not make you delusional and just because the quality of Tropicana is better than Kool-aid, it does not mean the quantity of Kool-Aid shipped is irrelevant.
Apple only has a 4% market share based on volume sales.
Nokia and Samsung are dueling for #1 globally based on overall phones sold. Symbian and Android are dueling for #1 globally based on overall mobile OSes sold. Why would Samsung surpassing Apple be so surprising when they happen to produce more phones and back one of the fastest growing mobile OSes in the world? Samsung also happens to be a Korean manufacturer and last I checked, Asia holds 60% of the world population. The evidence is clear is when Apple only has 4% market share and iOS is #2 (behind Android) in the U.S.A.. The U.S. has less than 5% of the world population.
iPhone is one of the single most popular smartphone in the world and Apple is the most successful tech company right now based on value and profits. But shockingly enough, iOS still hasn't been adopted that quickly outside North America. Nokia and Symbian still rule the roost all over the world and Android looks to overtake the latter in a couple years. Nokia made the single most popular phone ever called the Nokia 1100 which has over 250 MILLION sold. That is more than iTunes users with a program that happens to be FREE.
It only becomes a "grain of salt" if Apple isn't winning to some folks here who can't see the BIGGER PICTURE.
Oh please. I bought the iPhone 4S because it made sense to me for 2 reasons above and beyond any Android device :
- My investment in time and money in the eco-system.
- Best in class GPU. There is just nothing out there right now in smartphones that tops the SGX543MP2.
These "pros" outweighted the cons of a smaller screen and outdated UI (I frankly don't really care about the UI, though I'd love widgets instead of icons on the home screen) for me.
Status symbol ? Mine is hidden in a freaking case. Unless you look carefully, you can't tell it's an iPhone. Unless you look REALLY carefully, you can't tell it's a 4S and not a 4 (heck, even looking REALLY REALLY carefully you can't). And at 20,000,000 units sold per quarter, the iPhone is far from a "status symbol", more like a "sheep symbol" if you really think your cell phone says anything about your person (I personally don't think it does, it's just a gadget).
Something does not become a grain of salt, it's an idiom used to appeal to view something with skepticism. This is not hard data provided by Samsung, that is all I'm saying. Also, let's keep the discussion focused on the smart phone segment, of course there are manufacturers that sell more phones if you consider all types of handsets.
Well the biggest piss off for me was the gradient. Mango may have fixed it altogether.
It used to render the page in pink.
The problem with people with some denial is they are only looking at it with perhaps an AMERICAN perspective.
In Japan, I never saw an Apple ad. Not one. But you know what was the most popular phone in their country last year? The Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10. An Android phone that flopped in the States.
Just like I won't see ads of Nokia at all in the USA. Not one as they only have 1% market share here. But when I travel to Europe, Nokia billboards and ads are everywhere. Nokia has popularity similar to soccer. Americans don't care for it, but it is popular everywhere else.
Even T-Mobile's mother company in Europe is HUGE there when I traveled to Central Europe. When T-Mobile is perceived here, some folks think of a crappy network and being in 4th place. But the T-Mobile in Europe have some of the best phone lineups and rank as the 12th largest overall carrier in the world. China Mobile is #1 and U.K's Vodafone (one of Verizon's parents) is #2. You know where Verizon and AT&T rank overall? 18th and 20th, respectively.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mobile_network_operators
Has it sunk in yet for some people on how things are very, very different outside the U.S.? You can rank #1 & #2 as carriers in the U.S.A. and not be ranked in the Top 15 overall in the world. Just like iOS can be #2 in the U.S.A and Apple still only have a 4.4% overall market share.
In Japan, I never saw an Apple ad. Not one. But you know what was the most popular phone in their country last year? The Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10. An Android phone that flopped in the States.
Just like I won't see ads of Nokia at all in the USA. Not one as they only have 1% market share here. But when I travel to Europe, Nokia billboards and ads are everywhere. Nokia has popularity similar to soccer. Americans don't care for it, but it is popular everywhere else.
Even T-Mobile's mother company in Europe is HUGE there when I traveled to Central Europe. When T-Mobile is perceived here, some folks think of a crappy network and being in 4th place. But the T-Mobile in Europe have some of the best phone lineups and rank as the 12th largest overall carrier in the world. China Mobile is #1 and U.K's Vodafone (one of Verizon's parents) is #2. You know where Verizon and AT&T rank overall? 18th and 20th, respectively.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mobile_network_operators
Has it sunk in yet for some people on how things are very, very different outside the U.S.? You can rank #1 & #2 as carriers in the U.S.A. and not be ranked in the Top 15 overall in the world. Just like iOS can be #2 in the U.S.A and Apple still only have a 4.4% overall market share.
We don't care what happens outside the US in smartphones. Why should we. Has that sunk in yet?