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Samsung Easily Tops Apple to Become World's Top Smartphone Manufacturer
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Guess you agreed to an argument that lacks any backing.100% true!
Do people hate on Android just for the sake of hating? I think that's true.
That might make sense if you ignore the point of my post. The HTC Wildfire S costs the same amount as the iPhone 3GS on a 2-year contract in the US. Maybe the expectations for a low end smartphone have been raised.
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The 3G hasn't been sold for a year and a half. The HTC Wildfire S was release 5 months ago and is currently for sale.
Wrong. You apparently are not aware that Apple wholesales phones to AT&T, Sprint, Verizon, Target, WalMart, Best Buy, etc.
ugh. and this is why we keep talking about it. The article doesn't say that Apple DIDN'T ship 20 millinon phones! From this data, we don't know how many Apple shipped! All we know is how many Apple SOLD and an analyst's estimate of how many Samsung SHIPPED.
To say that "one side" will always disagree with the other implies that this is some sort of qualitative debate. It's not. Samsung shipped x number of phones - we don't know how many Apple shipped. Apple sold x number of phones - we don't know how many Samsung sold. No conclusive comparison can be made. End of story.
The fact that we have 20 pages of fanboy flame wars about it is really just an indictment of the education system (particularly in America, although I realize we have plenty of other countries represented here). Anyone with even a mildly average intellect should be able to do some critical thinking and see that the "Samsung Easily Tops Apple" headline assumes facts not in evidence. The speculative conclusion is not supported by the facts. It is unfortunate that some cannot see past their desperate desire to denigrate Apple. That's why those insisting that Samsung "surpassed" Apple in sales avoid the cold, hard facts and jump to personal attacks and iOS vs. Android debates - they can't logically support their position.
Perhaps conclusive to 100% no, but someone can conclude with a great amount of certainty that Samsung progression leads to surpassing Apple.
And please, look who is talking about Android-iOS and making personal attacks, you could be surprised.
And you're the one talking always about fandroids and taking arguments about defections refusing to acknowledge that Samsung is increasing its shipments quarter by quarter since more than a year. Because you just can stand that anyone can surpass Apple? Before calling other fandroids, look at you and your arguments, perhaps the fanboy is you and no the others
Lag or no lag, the conspiracy theory is just that. If devices weren't selling there wouldn't be increasing orders quarter by quarter. Real simple. Next quarter will probably be even better for Samsung, and then what?
That was taken out of context - look at my original post.
Taken COMPLETELY out of context
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100% true!
Most ridiculous out of context quoting ever.
From Samsung's own statement:
http://www.samsung.com/us/news/presskitRead.do?page=1&news_seq=19950
17.5 million (Q2 2011) X 140% = 24.5 million
7.5 million (Q3 2010) X 400% = 30 million
That is a huge difference. Something is messed up with these numbers.
http://www.samsung.com/us/news/presskitRead.do?page=1&news_seq=19950
17.5 million (Q2 2011) X 140% = 24.5 million
7.5 million (Q3 2010) X 400% = 30 million
That is a huge difference. Something is messed up with these numbers.
Just going to point out you have the 300% wrong. It should be 7.5 mil x 3 not for. You got caught in the beauty of marketing speech and incorrect uses of percentages.
300% can mean either 3 or 4x multiplication. This case it meant 3x not 4x. When things cross over a 100% growth they get wonky in how they are used and the higher over 100% the worse it gets.
Just going to point that out.
Or alternatively one could use 49% for QoQ which is "more than 40%". But conspiracy theories are so much more fun
I have to wonder about articles like this because there was another one earlier in the week that said ZTE was the highest by volume and etc.
There is no cohesive data.
There is no cohesive data.
Weird, I didn't see that even before I installed Mango. I do wonder why MR doesn't send the mobile version of the page, when most other websites do.
I believe my initial numbers was correct. "Up 300%" would be 4x the original figure. Just as up 100% would be 2x the original figure. And up 40% would be 1.4x the original figure.
Regardless, the numbers in this story are all over the place.
22.5 million (with your math)
24.5 million (up 40% Q on Q)
27.5 million (Strategy Analytics)
30 million (up 300% Y on Y)
If you are just saying that Samsung provided incorrect numbers, well that was my point.
You live in the world of Apple the masters at providing miss information for marking. I can point to the iPhone4 having less than 1 additional drop call per 100 as an example of the BS people bought. They took that at less than 1% increase when it could easily of been over a 100% increase. Apple is a true master at this. We can dig threw their marking and find some more. I remember one about the improvement in speed increase between the G4 and G5 iMac in Halo performance. It was a hoot when Barefeet busted that one.
I just pointed out percentages is easy to screw with. 300% increase could mean either 3x or 4x depending on how you take it. Technically speaking both are correct. Trick is figuring out from the data which they are using. It is pretty clear than the 300% they are using here is 3x not 4x.
This was stock marketing end of story. Apple is by far worse than Samsung is in this department.
Wow. That has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
No. A 300% increase is always 4x. An increase to 300% is 3x. Either way, the numbers do not work. This isn't a case of being misleading or massaging the statistics. The numbers are simply wrong. Either the Q2 2011 numbers or the numbers reported by Samsung. And, obviously, the estimates by Strategy Analytics.
My statement has nothing to do with Apple. Samsung is in the lead no matter what estimate that you go by.
It has a fair amount to do with it as those are great examples of even worse playing with numbers for marketing. I just was pointing out some some action that were even worse in examples of bs number use.
While the numbers were correct in those examples does not change the fact they were extremely miss leading.
No you just want to try to make your point and bash Samsung. I saw 300% and went right to 3x not 4x. As I pointed out when you increase things get really wonky.
There are 2 ways to say anything. An increase 140% and increase of 40% both could mean 1.4x. There are multiple ways to do it.
Percetages are wonking in how you use them. As you already showed it was not 4x. So that means go to 3x.
Do you not like the fact that your bashing was called out and pointed out that it was pure bashing.
1. You just made my point. The facts point to a progression that leads to Samsung surpassing Apple. Why didn't the article just say that instead of saying that Samsung HAS surpassed Apple in sales?
2. I didn't make a personal attack. Nor did I engage in iOS vs. Android arguments.
3. I don't care if someone surpasses Apple. Heck, PC shipments dwarf Mac shipments, why would anyone care if Samsung phone shipments exceed iPhone shipments?
No one suggested there was a conspiracy. Only bad reporting by an ignorant writer. The comparison was not of trends over several quarters. The report was for only the 4th quarter and compared "analyst estimates" of Samsung SHIPMENTS with Apple-reported SALES. Then a conclusion was drawn ONLY by comparing those two disparate numbers. Just very poor, illogical, and sloppy. I would say the same thing if the numbers showed Apple ahead. I think the only people who claim this is a pro-Apple debate are the ones who wanted proof of Samsung outselling Apple. This isn't it.
All you have to do is look at what Samsung has done in the past with its Galaxy Tabs
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/01/31/samsung-galaxy-tab-sales-actually-quite-small/
Which also goes to the speculation by some that Samsung shipped 1 million Galaxy Tabs but just sold 20,000, story thats been going around.
In some cases shipments can be returned if sales are particularly low. Not sure if its in Samsung's case.
I don't think products shipped, necessarily means that they are sold or have the potential of being sold by any set amount.
If we set aside all the hatred many here have for Samsung, the bottom line is they do make really great products just as Apple does. These two have raised the bar. We should celebrate their mutual accomplishments.
Hatred reveals flattery
Hatred reveals flattery
There is a difference between misleading numbers and incorrect numbers. I was discussing incorrect numbers.
That's crap. I think the problem is more likely to be with the estimates provided by analysts, not Samsung.
This is math, not whatever feels right to you. A 300% increase in sales is 4x the original amount. An increase to 300% is 3x the original amount. No wonkiness involved.
No, your understanding of percentage increases is wonky.
Except if you actually read my post, 3x doesn't work either.
Here are the numbers again:
22.5 million (with your math)
24.5 million (up 40% Q on Q)
27.5 million (Strategy Analytics)
30 million (up 300% Y on Y)
All from this story. As I said, they are all over the place. Do you have any explanation for the variance other than the ad hominem accusation of bashing?
Well said. I love Samsung and Apple products. Especially Sammy TVs and phones and Apple Macs and iPads.