Samsung Easily Tops Apple to Become World's Top Smartphone Manufacturer

[samcraig]

You're probably right so no bet. I'm happy, only because fanboys won't be able to be as smug as they normally are.

Indeed.. only the most ardent of fans (I prefer not to use the phrase fan boys) will have the reality distortion field in full effect and come up with ways to justify the #s.

IE:
These results don't factor in the iPhone 4S yet
Quality over Quantity
Shipped doesn't mean sold
Profit vs Quantity
Android is Crap anyway
Android phones are given away for free
Google is evil

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz

 

[Jest3r]

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I'm sure Kia sold tons of cars too this quarter but I'll take the Cadillac...

 

[Bubba Satori]

Does this mean I have to sell my new iPhone and buy a Samsung to be with the "in" crowd?

No, it means you have to try harder with your rationalizations,
but your iHipness is still intact.

 

[cr2sh]

I'm an apple fan but the Nexus S I just bought is a sexy piece of equipment.. Samsung is doing something right. They're making some great hardware.

Oh, and the reason I upgraded is that the speaker and wifi in my iPhone 3G stopped working.

 

[Almy]

This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Apple is going the same route as the 80's. Android is the future Microsoft of the mobile age and apple will hold onto a smaller niche over time. Because of that other companies will sell more hardware units. This time around though I feel like apples niche is perfect for phones, so I'll gladly stick with iPhones. And the competition has already paid off, loving notifications.

 

[toddybody]

Impressive. I hope they continue to do well and keep Apple frosty. That said, I dont think Ill ever stop using an iPhone.

 

[Mad-B-One]

That is just because everyone knew that the new iPhone was coming out and held back on buying iPhones. Watch the Q4 numbers and everything will be different again. BTW: Who was the producer of that tablet with "shipped" 50.000 units no one bought and Best Buy wanted to send them back? Was that HP? Doesn't actually matter... point is: Shipping numbers does not mean paying end users.

 

[GWagon]

Ouch.

Watch the fanboys get desperate with their "excuses" now.

 

[Judas1]

What will be interesting to see is the Q4 numbers when the 4s is added to the mix. Probably Apple will be ahead again, but it'll be interesting to see by how much.

 

[dethmaShine]

That is just because everyone knew that the new iPhone was coming out and held back on buying iPhones. Watch the Q4 numbers and everything will be different again. BTW: Who was the producer of that tablet with "shipped" 50.000 units no one bought and Best Buy wanted to send them back? Was that HP? Doesn't actually matter... point is: Shipping numbers does not mean paying end users.

For once, Samsung should be congratulated. I am not really happy with them as I see them infringing and copying Apple designs but whatever... SGS II has been a great release. A lot of people have bought that device. And they seem to be happy with the purchase.

Good work Samsung but I wish to see better and more awesome designs.

 

[Leaping Tortois]

Some people, only some, don't seem to be thinking here. First: Shipped doesn't necessarily equal consumer sales but you don't ship 27 million phones unless there's demand from sales to the end user. That's just a bad business decision.

And for everyone going on about profits. Do you realise that those profits come directly from your pocket? Sure iOS is great, but for there's not much in the way of components cost inside of an iPhone, there's some R&D costs that need to be covered but you're still paying a huge margin. And while you may claim that it's worth it, don't for a second claim that you'd spend $900 for an iPhone rather than $700 just because you'd like to keep apple's profits up (unless you're a shareholder, in which case you'd want a few shares to cover that cost).

 

[DeathChill]

Indeed.. only the most ardent of fans (I prefer not to use the phrase fan boys) will have the reality distortion field in full effect and come up with ways to justify the #s.

IE:
These results don't factor in the iPhone 4S yet
Quality over Quantity
Shipped doesn't mean sold
Profit vs Quantity
Android is Crap anyway
Android phones are given away for free
Google is evil

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz

Interesting to come to an Apple enthusiast forum and bitch about people who love Apple. I'd think if you were more interested in fair and balanced you'd be callng out the Android trolls who frequent these threads as well, but of course I know what it means when someone says fair and balanced yet always seems to have very negative opinions.

 

[wovel]

Why do we constantly compare analysts projections to Apple's stated figures? As far as I know, the Apple and Nokia figures are accurate and stated by a person with a legal obligation to be accurate. The Samsung figures are made up based off a vague percentage statement and last quarters numbers. We put all this information from different quality sources in a table and call it he same.

It may well be true, but as usual, another misleading report. if it is true, people should dump their Samsung stock. These phones appear to be losing money, and quickly. It is the only area where Samsung indicated an increase and profits are off sharply.

 

[movie-mac]

What is important to note here, is the actual unit growth by Apple from Q3/10 to Q3/11. Why is that?

Well, obviously the iPhone, a new iPhone, is one, if not the most highly anticipated tech gadget. So it sees huge sales immediately when it is released.

When we are comparing iPhone unit sales between Q3/10 and Q3/11, we are comparing the first quarter of the iPhone 4 and the fifth quarter of the iPhone 4. So Apple managed to sell more units of a more than one year old phone, than it sold the quarter it was released. And they didn't do it by reducing the price, they still sold at the same full price.

Nobody but Apple can do this. And with keeping the older iPhones around for years, slowly but surely they are also getting into the market that demands lower priced phones. They are simply doing it the Apple way, they don't design a cheap phone, but rely on components getting cheaper over time and so bringing down the prices for these devices.

 

[Thunderhawks]

I wonder how many of those shipped samsung phones are sitting on shelves somewhere not being sold. Unlike the iPhones which have all been sold.

More importantly how much profit does each company make per unit. Ultimately that's the bottom line, not how many you've sold but rather if you are profitable.

See how brain dead people can be and gave you minuses for your post?

Obviously they don't understand that it's better to SELL at a higher profit margin than SHIP at a lower margin.

I for one don't subscribe to pissing contest try to get involved who is better or more successful. Love my iphone and I hope whoever has something else is happy too.

The second something better comes along we are all usually gone, iphone, Samsung, HTC, Nokia or whoever does'nt matter!

 

[dethmaShine]

What is important to note here, is the actual unit growth by Apple from Q3/10 to Q3/11. Why is that?

Well, obviously the iPhone, a new iPhone, is one, if not the most highly anticipated tech gadget. So it sees huge sales immediately when it is released.

When we are comparing iPhone unit sales between Q3/10 and Q3/11, we are comparing the first quarter of the iPhone 4 and the fifth quarter of the iPhone 4. So Apple managed to sell more units of a more than one year old phone, than it sold the quarter it was released. And they didn't do it by reducing the price, they still sold at the same full price.

Nobody but Apple can do this. And with keeping the older iPhones around for years, slowly but surely they are also getting into the market that demands lower priced phones. They are simply doing it the Apple way, they don't design a cheap phone, but rely on components getting cheaper over time and so bringing down the prices for these devices.

People cannot see that. It's not worth pointing it out.

All they can say is: So what? It's not our fault Apple didn't release a phone; they cannot understand the implications of such a thing.

 

[wovel]

What is important to note here, is the actual unit growth by Apple from Q3/10 to Q3/11. Why is that?

Well, obviously the iPhone, a new iPhone, is one, if not the most highly anticipated tech gadget. So it sees huge sales immediately when it is released.

When we are comparing iPhone unit sales between Q3/10 and Q3/11, we are comparing the first quarter of the iPhone 4 and the fifth quarter of the iPhone 4. So Apple managed to sell more units of a more than one year old phone, than it sold the quarter it was released. And they didn't do it by reducing the price, they still sold at the same full price.

Nobody but Apple can do this. And with keeping the older iPhones around for years, slowly but surely they are also getting into the market that demands lower priced phones. They are simply doing it the Apple way, they don't design a cheap phone, but rely on components getting cheaper over time and so bringing down the prices for these devices.

That amazing story is lost because analysts set unrasonable goals for Apple just so they can say gotcha.

 

[GWagon]

Some people, only some, don't seem to be thinking here. First: Shipped doesn't necessarily equal consumer sales but you don't ship 27 million phones unless there's demand from sales to the end user. That's just a bad business decision.

And for everyone going on about profits. Do you realise that those profits come directly from your pocket? Sure iOS is great, but for there's not much in the way of components cost inside of an iPhone, there's some R&D costs that need to be covered but you're still paying a huge margin. And while you may claim that it's worth it, don't for a second claim that you'd spend $900 for an iPhone rather than $700 just because you'd like to keep apple's profits up (unless you're a shareholder, in which case you'd want a few shares to cover that cost).

It is funny how Apple fanboys boast about profit margins when they are the ones getting milked. I don't think I've met more foolish, naive people in my life.

 

[The Man]

Low margin phones. Classic. Just what happened in the PC industry. Sell many at bottom prices. Other phone manufacturers can't compete and go bust. And Samsung will prevail in the end (also because they make the components.) In the end, this doesn't cause competition between Android phone manufacturers, selling low margin phones destroys the whole industry, as only few companies can compete. LG bust. Acer bust. Sony bust. etc. In a few years, there will not be any competition anymore. Apple will prevail, and Samsung, maybe Motorola and Nokia, but that's it. Just like in the PC industry.

 

[Bigcase]

It comes down to quality vs quantity to me... I'll choose quality any day, and apple has mastered that in their Iphone and practically all there products.

 

[dimoman]

Guys - switched form iPhone 4 to Samsung Galaxy 2, and was having the option to get 4S... BTW always been an Apple fan, work on mac, own iPad... and to tell you the truth Android on that Samsung is not bad at all! Samsung make good phones. So not sure why so many surprised folks here.

(I will probably get the iPhone5 when it comes out, but as of right now Galaxy 2 is the better phone)

 

[samcraig]

Interesting to come to an Apple enthusiast forum and bitch about people who love Apple. I'd think if you were more interested in fair and balanced you'd be callng out the Android trolls who frequent these threads as well, but of course I know what it means when someone says fair and balanced yet always seems to have very negative opinions.

I think you misunderstood my tongue in cheek post. This is about the absurdity of this post existing AGAIN since it was just discussed to death just a short time ago (I provided the links)

FYI - I am all Apple. You can enjoy Apple products without getting emotionally attached to the company. I am actually technologically agnostic. The right tool for the right job.

This is an Apple news/speculation site. The "enthusiast" is pretty debatable. Sure there are a lot of Apple enthusiasts on this site. But it's not a requirement.

I am not "siding" with Samsung. And I think the iPhone for ME is the best choice. But I recognize that EVERYONE is entitled to make their choice and I don't begrudge them for it. But sometimes people here are far too evangelical as if they have to justify their own action by making "competition" look bad. Ridiculous. Just enjoy the tech you have.

Lastly - I don't use the term fanboy nor do I use the term troll. Things aren't so black and white. Just because you speak favorably towards Apple doesn't make you a fanboy and just because you criticize doesn't make you a troll.

 

[wovel]

Some people, only some, don't seem to be thinking here. First: Shipped doesn't necessarily equal consumer sales but you don't ship 27 million phones unless there's demand from sales to the end user. That's just a bad business decision.

And for everyone going on about profits. Do you realise that those profits come directly from your pocket? Sure iOS is great, but for there's not much in the way of components cost inside of an iPhone, there's some R&D costs that need to be covered but you're still paying a huge margin. And while you may claim that it's worth it, don't for a second claim that you'd spend $900 for an iPhone rather than $700 just because you'd like to keep apple's profits up (unless you're a shareholder, in which case you'd want a few shares to cover that cost).

By your argument, none of this matters. Falling profits = unsustainable model. It is that simple. They have to compete with other handset makers on price to the carriers, many carriers are still trying to get Apke to let them have the iPhone. Next quarter these made up numbers for Samsung will be nearly 30% less than Apple's stated figures. I suspect the headline will be considerably less inflammatory.

 

[something3153]

Carriers subsidize the hell out of Samsung phones. The 3G has been out forever now. There's not much of an argument.

Are you saying iPhones don't get large subsidies?

 

[charlien]

I have a Samsung Galaxy S. I consider it a cheap copy of the iPhone 3GS. Why did I buy it? US Cellular is the only provider that is reliable in my area. If they carried the iPhone I'd own a 3GS and telling my wife I want the iPhone 4s for Xmas. Bet a lot of people are in the same boat.