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Are you saying iPhones don't get large subsidies?

No. I'm saying that the same iPhone 4 that was on the market for well over a year was still 199 until the 4s came out. If that was Samsung or any android, it would be a free phone subsidized or discontinued by then.
 
It's funny.

In regards to who sold more - at the end of the day - to the end user. Who cares? Really?

Please raise your hand if you bought your phone because it sold the most. Now raise your hand if you just bought the phone you liked (features and all) the most.

To each their own. These #s tend to get everyone in a silly frenzy and a back and forth that brings up so many unrelated issues.

Everyone can do whatever they want - but it would be far more productive to let this thread die and just read the other thread. The topic has been discussed to death. The horse is not only dead. It's dust.
 
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Interesting how quickly the phone market changes...

It's also interesting how so many people here appear to have their pride wounded when apple is not #1... people defending their phones and "their" company. Kind of funny.

Don't get me wrong, I quite like the iPhones... but I don't take it personally if another company does better! :)

But as a few people have mentioned, this is a flawed comparison, for a variety of reasons.
 
Some people still think free phones on contract are free...
Free phones are free. People who signed up for the all-you-can-eat SPRINT plan and got the iPhone 3GS, got a free phone... just the same as if they would've gotten a free dumb phone. People accept the fact that they're going to be in a contract forever. That's a given. That's why I never understand the fact that millions of people will let their anniversary date go by and not go get another phone and just continue to go month-to-month with their same phone. I hear "I know how to use it" and "all my contacts are in there". People are dumb and lazy and scared of new things... "I know how to use it"... crock... yeah... you flip the top over and punch the keys. Einstein.

Go — get a new phone — sign a new contract and get something for your money. Especially now that the iPhone 3GS is out with iOS 5! That's a great phone. People who've always had a dumb phone... that's a great model to jump on the smart phone platform with. It does a lot and it is FREE. Sure you have to decide your text plan and have to pay for data, but it's FREE.
 
No. I'm saying that the same iPhone 4 that was on the market for well over a year was still 199 until the 4s came out. If that was Samsung or any android, it would be a free phone subsidized or discontinued by then.

So you're saying Apple overcharges at the end of their product cycles. Now I agree with you. I still fail to see how that's Samsung's fault. It sounds like your beef should be with Apple.
 
I guess it is kind of easy to have the most shipped phones if you literally make 100+ of them and crap a new one out every few weeks.
 
$2 for a phone without contract? [to some obviously]


The iPhone 4 has always been 1€ here. Your point?

Its slowly becoming the "edHardy" of phones nowadays, im sick of seeing it everywhere. I miss those good old gen 1 times a bit lol
 
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I used iOS way back in 2008. I went to Android cause I heard it was good. I got myself HTC Desire and then got a Nexus S, but **** those phones were unproductive and useless. Applications were ugly and you couldn't find most that were meaningful. The productivity is zero unless you love widgets; that's all you got there or may be nice skins to make you happy.

WP7 was great, but had severe battery issues. Apps are good but monotonous. OS was still not mature enough.

I have been using iPhone4S for a week. It's the best OS I have ever used. Others are far behind.

This might sound biased but I have used a lot of other devices and they just don't make the match. iOS is simply wonderful.

How much more productivity are you getting from the iPhone than you were from your Android phone? What kind of work are you doing with it? Give some of examples of what you like better on the 4S.
 
Free phones are free. People who signed up for the all-you-can-eat SPRINT plan and got the iPhone 3GS, got a free phone... just the same as if they would've gotten a free dumb phone. People accept the fact that they're going to be in a contract forever. That's a given. That's why I never understand the fact that millions of people will let their anniversary date go by and not go get another phone and just continue to go month-to-month with their same phone. I hear "I know how to use it" and "all my contacts are in there". People are dumb and lazy and scared of new things... "I know how to use it"... crock... yeah... you flip the top over and punch the keys. Einstein.

Go — get a new phone — sign a new contract and get something for your money. Especially now that the iPhone 3GS is out with iOS 5! That's a great phone. People who've always had a dumb phone... that's a great model to jump on the smart phone platform with. It does a lot and it is FREE. Sure you have to decide your text plan and have to pay for data, but it's FREE.

Which 3Gs are people using on Sprint?
 
meanwhile samsung is too pu**y to compare the sale s of GSII with iPhone 4 :rolleyes:.


In the end, it takes samsung 200 smartphone models to beat apple's one in numbers; but most people realize, quality > quantity. ;)
 
That's funny cos only today I was reading an article on os upgrades for android compared to iOS, which statistically showed how all android manufacturers are only interested in making their users experiance as awfui as possible in a bid to make them upgrade.

In their words 'Android makers want their customers to upgrade cos they hate their current phones, whereas Apple wants their customers to upgrade cos they love their current phones'

Seems like the really naive and foolish people are not the ones buying Apple.

I think you might be referring to this:

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In the end, it takes samsung 200 smartphone models to beat apple's one in numbers;

This is the essential truth of the matter.

One would be more impressed if Samsung achieved this with the SGSII, or at most, a second model. But as with iOS vs. Android in general, it takes an ocean of phones at all ends of the quality spectrum and at all price points, to compete against Apple's one or at most two phones.
 
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I used iOS way back in 2008. I went to Android cause I heard it was good. I got myself HTC Desire and then got a Nexus S, but **** those phones were unproductive and useless. Applications were ugly and you couldn't find most that were meaningful. The productivity is zero unless you love widgets; that's all you got there or may be nice skins to make you happy.

WP7 was great, but had severe battery issues. Apps are good but monotonous. OS was still not mature enough.

I have been using iPhone4S for a week. It's the best OS I have ever used. Others are far behind.

This might sound biased but I have used a lot of other devices and they just don't make the match. iOS is simply wonderful.

How much more productivity are you getting from the iPhone than you were from your Android phone? What kind of work are you doing with it? Give some of examples of what you like better on the 4S.

If you need to ask, then you do not deserve an answer... Do your homework please.
 
I'm happy with this...

I'm pretty much married to iOS platform and don't want to start over with andriod. But this is the kind of thing that will hopefully get Apple to shore up the holes in iOS.

E.g., yesterday I was dying for Siri to turn-by-turn directions.

The only problem which has now been fixed is the fact that apple took a little longer to release the iPhone 4S. Apple sold a massively HUGE 4MILLION 4S's in one weekend. It is hard to wrap my brain around such an astonishing number. Next quarter will tell a completely different story.
 
meanwhile samsung is too pu**y to compare the sale s of GSII with iPhone 4 :rolleyes:.


In the end, it takes samsung 200 smartphone models to beat apple's one in numbers; but most people realize, quality > quantity. ;)

You and LTD still don't get it.

Whether it's 1 phone or 1000 - the fact is - for every customer that has a Samsung phone, Apple doesn't not have them as a phone customer.

Different companies have different models for success. Apple has greater profits with less phones and other manufacturers have profits with more phones.

The Apple way is not the ONLY way.
 
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If you need to ask, then you do not deserve an answer... Do your homework please.

I asked for his opinion, not yours.
 
Selling 17.1 million of an almost end-of-life phone isn't bad.

My network is practically begging people to take Samsung phones for free, but has a waiting list for iPhone 4Ses and they won't even take orders for iPhone 4 any more.

In any case, who cares about Samsung phones? All my family only use iPhones
 
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Good for them and their shareholders. Apple does not want this prize. They want profits.

I just wish my 4s battery did not suck so bad.
 
I love how people always equate every other brand other then Apple to be piles of junk. Comments like that are why I'm embarrassed and literally hide the fact I use :apple: products.

I know how you feel.

Granted, MR seems to draw all the giggling teenies and iWorshipers but sometimes their pom-pom waving around here creates way too much of a breeze.

It's really embarrassing.
 
No. I'm saying that the same iPhone 4 that was on the market for well over a year was still 199 until the 4s came out. If that was Samsung or any android, it would be a free phone subsidized or discontinued by then.

In quite a few countries you could find the iPhone 4 free on contract pretty much after launch, for example, the UK. Free on contract or not, the manufacturer gets their money, like has been mentioned so many times before.

The contract price, in competitive phone markets doesn't have a bearing on the quality of phone. Carriers will try to reduce the up front costs of a popular phone in order to attract new or retain customers.


Free phones are free. People who signed up for the all-you-can-eat SPRINT plan and got the iPhone 3GS, got a free phone... just the same as if they would've gotten a free dumb phone. People accept the fact that they're going to be in a contract forever. That's a given. That's why I never understand the fact that millions of people will let their anniversary date go by and not go get another phone and just continue to go month-to-month with their same phone. I hear "I know how to use it" and "all my contacts are in there". People are dumb and lazy and scared of new things... "I know how to use it"... crock... yeah... you flip the top over and punch the keys. Einstein.

Go — get a new phone — sign a new contract and get something for your money. Especially now that the iPhone 3GS is out with iOS 5! That's a great phone. People who've always had a dumb phone... that's a great model to jump on the smart phone platform with. It does a lot and it is FREE. Sure you have to decide your text plan and have to pay for data, but it's FREE.

You pay the price of the phone via your contract every month. You usually find the more expensive phones that are "free" are only available on more expensive plans. If you do the calculations, more often that not, over the life time of your plan you'll be paying more for the phone that if you bought the phone contract free, especially for the iPhone ( there are many examples of this, search it ).


Anyway, Sprint doesn't offer the iPhone 3GS. Looking at the cheapest contract plan for the iPhone 4 - you'll be paying $69.99 - not sure how that rates amongst other plans.
 
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How much more productivity are you getting from the iPhone than you were from your Android phone? What kind of work are you doing with it? Give some of examples of what you like better on the 4S.

Hey, I could totally write some 2000 words on my experience from iOS to Android to WindowsPhone7 and now back to iOS.

But what's the point? Nothing. There are tonnes of reviews out there. Read them.

I'll give you a brief summary --

Operating System Principles - Apple is a software company. They have made great software in the past and iOS is at the peak of it. Not Mac OS X although its 10 times more mature, but iOS understands better what people want, how people want and how it needs to schedule those things.

Everything is smarter. Whether when I'm in my recording studio on my guitar and cannot move and I need to toggle some settings, I open the remote app and it just works.
Whether I need to airplay my current riffs on the TV, it just works.
Whether I need to message someone, the voice control is mind blowing. It is way more precise and faster than WP7 and lets not talk about Android.
The notifications and their preferences are unbelievable. This is how notifications should have been done. Just use them for a day and you'll love them.
All photo editing is now done on the iPhone. I don't need my iMac for that. It's only used for software-development and ProTools.
The applications are just so refreshing. Applications on Android are UGLY. Even if 1 or two look good(which they don't), they miss out on features, functionality and the ease of usability? You need the best example? Browser on Android. It sucks. It sucked on HTC desire. It sucked on Nexus S with Android 2.3.
The applications on iOS provide great choice and are simply beautiful. Look at Chattime or Verbs or Twitter or Facebook or Reeder or TuneIn Radio or Guitar Machine or Spotify or Light. All breath design and functionality. Nothing like that is there on Android and WP7.

I agree Android has widgets which are useful sometimes but even for my brother who liked them at first hates them now due to his 4 hour battery life on HTC Wildfire.

Whatever, to each its own. iOS is a little power house and as much as people think its a grid of icons, its the best thing for probably anyone who wishes to spend £500 or more on a mobile device.

I cannot be more biased if that's how it sounds but trust me, iOS has moved me a lot in the past 7 days. I used to see a lot of people raving about experience and what not and guess what it's true.

Use it for a week and you'll know it. No lies.
 
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