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Samsung Executive Calls Apple vs. Samsung Ruling 'Worst Scenario for Us'
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Did you realize the little timer that makes your windshield wipers go on and off at an interval is patented?
Everyone things something is common sense after the fact. I think that is nuts. When everyone is a follower and none is a creator, where does that leave us? Who you gonna copy then?
Apple didn't invent pinch and zoom. Because it was in a movie and a product that was never released to the public. Yeah, right.
I love it, Samsung needs to invent something original or just get out of the market. At least Microsoft came up with a new UI (for once they didn't directly copy Apple!).
Do you think Apple should get payments for implementing an idea for a previously demonstrated gesture just because they were the first to put it in a product?
...even if the implementation is completely different?
To get to the core of what I'm taking about here:
Implementation is property. Ideas are not.
No, it really doesn't. Samsung used the App Drawer in multiple advertisements and even some of the packaging/boxes apparently.
No problem, Mr. Samsung executive, just copy Tim Cook's eternal optimism and everything will be fine.
Really, Samsung? You guys ARE the number ONE TV maker in the world....an industry that Apple is NOT in. The Galaxy SIII is far enough way from the iPhone anywho, so what's the big deal? Come up with something innovative enough to stop Apple in the ground. It's that simple. Your other products are excellent.
Uh, do you understand the concept of patents? If you come up with an idea that's so good that it advances human art (as the iPhone did, by all the copycats out there), you are supposed to be able to patent it, even if it is an "essential navigation tool".
You can bet your sweet ass if Samsung had came up with the idea originally, they would have patented it and then sued anyone who didn't pay them royalties.
...despite the fact that plenty of prior art was demonstrated showing Apple didn't invent the concept of pinch to zoom.
I can understand bounce back. I haven't seen anything similar in any other products. But pinch to zoom? Hell, that should be appealed ASAP.
Not essential, just an incredibly brilliant solution. How about double tap to zoom, or circle to zoom?
As for pinch to zoom...sorry, but Apple got there first.
Touchscreens were around for years without pinch to zoom. Then Apple invented an innovative, intuitive method that was elegant to use. That doesn't make it "essential" - it just makes it a unique feature that Apple can employ to differentiate their products.
Oh, wait, Samsung stole it - so it wasn't uniquely Apple anymore.
You clearly have zero idea what your talking about, or NEVER owned an original iPhone.
My Windows Mobile Phone Had full browsing, a large touch sensitive screen.
Calender? Contacts? Camera? You realize dumbphones had all of that in the 90s.
My Windows Mobile phone Also had. MMS, GPS, 3G, and Third party apps, the first iPhone didn't have any of that.
Yes, Blackerries are smart phones, so were Windows Mobile and Palm phones, they all came before the iPhone.
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Then you would know, the first iPhone wasn't really the first smart phone, or a smart phone at all
Wasn't until the 3G/3GS that I got interested and got one myself. I kept my windows mobile phone till I got my 3GS
What was your Windows Mobile phone? I'd just like to see how it compares to the iPhone.
Claims like yours are so amazingly dumb it's hard not to laugh. Back in January 2007 when the iPhone was unveiled, the world nearly shifted on its axis. NO ONE HAD ANYTHING LIKE IT. It's insane for people to play revisionist history claiming their POS windows mobile (or some refer to a crappy Nokia) was remotely comparable to the iPhone.
When you post what crap phone you had, we can go through the specs. It will have some of what the iPhone integrated, but without even knowing the model, I know it sucked. Some of us were desperately looking for a cell phone that combined wifi full html browsing, with cellular data, with a full email client, that could take pictures, that could hold and play media.
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Jeff Han's Ted talk back in 2006 which would seem to invalidate the patent "pinch-to-zoom." It's funny to listen to the crowd react to multi-touch gestures...they were blown away. I believe this was presented at trial as indication of prior art, but I could be wrong.
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/jef...uchscreen.html
It's a cultural thing. They're so accustomed to copying being a part of everyday business that they probably didn't think it would end up this way. The younger generations see it, but the old regime running Samsung don't. Give them another decade and they'll probably see things as we do now.
Didn't fingerworks have the patent on pinch to zoom? Didn't Apple buy them? Something like that.
hmmm. thin, rectangular form factor with a touchscreen taking up virtually the entire front, and a single hardware button at the bottom center....where have I seen that before....
oh, yeah. 2007. Apple.
Sure, like Apple claiming 3G used too much power for the first iPhone, or that they can't make the current screen wider because it would screw up legacy apps.
Doesn't mean the idea isn't there.
Well, yes. It's called prior art.
As noted in the references that you clearly didn't read, working pinch zoom was documented by a touch researcher back in 1983.
Yes, Apple bought Fingerworks, who was doing some great research on gestures across opaque surfaces such as trackpads and keyboards.
Nope, nobody has a patent on pinch to zoom. Not even Apple.
Well a jury that had more info on this lawsuit than you do disagrees with you.
Not surprising.
No, what he means is, if Samsung can't sell that specific product in the USA they're still free to sell it in countries where the legal system isnt so sympathetic towards Apple. Samsung has a much bigger footprint than Apple does globally. They also do more than mfg electronics.
Actually they didn't. Mitsubishi did. Apple just got the patent for it first. And their patent is very specific and doesn't encompass the entirety of pinch-to-zoom...
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/13/apple-awarded-limited-patent-on-pinch-to-zoom/