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Take a read at this:
http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/05/17/36646.htm

If its just Samsung copying Apple, why in the hell does Apple need to see five future releases of phones and tablets from Samsung before commercial release? They also want to see documents and marketing materials as well..

That sounds to me like they are scared of Samsung..

No, it's not a matter of being scared of Samsung (and really, why would they be scared?), who is a close partner of theirs. But in legal matters, you either protect your intellectual property or you don't. If you do, these are the sorts of legal requests you make to investiagate your accusations. Nothing unusual here in the legal sense.
 
I agree with you. There's a lot of people here where I work, who have android phones and DON'T EVEN REALIZE IT. They basically went into the carrier store and wanted to see nice big touchscreen phones and picked one out that looked cool. Most of these people don't have music on the phone, and have never purchased an app from the android marketplace (or maybe just one to try it).

When I ask them what OS is on their phone, they don't know what I mean. To them their phone is an LG Whatever or HTC Whatever or Samsung Whatever. Half the time they don't even know the Whatever part of the name of the phone, they just know it's an LG or something because that's printed on the phone itself.

So I think to the general public, android has become a behind the scenes name for the OS that goes into a lot of phones, and then of course these manufacturers are then skinning the OS with their own thing, so their phone will look different than the others or have a cool animation that will get people to buy the phone in the store. I don't think they're building up a huge android following, though, because a lot of these people wouldn't know if they moved from an android to a webOS or symbian, other then noticing that things worked differently. They just think that's how that particular phone model works.

this has been my experience with family, friends and colleagues

it's something the geeks don't seem to understand
 
So ramble on, Android fans. But know this: You have earned nothing but the scorn of me, and every other decent human being, on the planet.

For being such closed-minded sad person, you really think highly of yourself. I do not believe you have the capacity to judge yourself as a "decent human being" and I believe a lot of people would agree with me on this one.
 
I'll be honest: I don't like people who copy others work. I didn't like kids in school who were too lazy to do their own work. And I don't like people in my office who do the same thing. I don't like it when movie directors try to "rip off" the popularity of hit movies by making cheeseball versions. I don't like it when people copy the design of Rolex watches or Mercedes S-Class sedans

I think ripping-off other people's work is morally wrong. And I think its a bad idea commercially to "reward" companies for stealing other people's ideas. Thats the real dark side of the (often repeated idiocy) of "competition is good for us."

If you REWARD ripoffs, what incentive is their for truly innovative companies to take a chance?

I see and understand what you are saying here.

Now I'd like you to take a good hard look and listen at this very short video clip of Steve Jobs:

http://youtu.be/CW0DUg63lqU
 
I see and understand what you are saying here.

Now I'd like you to take a good hard look and listen at this very short video clip of Steve Jobs:

http://youtu.be/CW0DUg63lqU

How sad that you do not understand the very clip you are introducing. Picasso did not make paintings that looked just like someone else's paintings. When Steve Jobs talked about copying ideas, he meant you learn from the ideas of others and then create your own work of art that is informed by what you learned, but extended by your own genius into something else.

Precisely the opposite of what Samsung did.
 
How sad that you do not understand the very clip you are introducing. Picasso did not make paintings that looked just like someone else's paintings. When Steve Jobs talked about copying ideas, he meant you learn from the ideas of others and then create your own work of art that is informed by what you learned, but extended by your own genius into something else.

Precisely the opposite of what Samsung did.

So, seeing as Tablet computers have been around for a while, how should Samsung have designed their model?

Traingular, Circular, or a perfect square?

Well they went with a Rectangle like every other tablet has ever been made.

Should they have tried to make it as thick as possible? Perhaps with some spikes out the back, or should they try and make it as thin and light as possible?

Should they put a border around the screen, like every other device has, so you can hold it?

I can't see how they have copied it, it's like saying someone copied a wheel, it's a generic shape.

They used a totally different OS, and different internal CPU/GPU unit, higher quality camera's.

They've used different materials to make it from also.

It's as different as a tablet as it can be, and still be the shape everyone knows a tablet computer to be.
 
I see and understand what you are saying here.

Now I'd like you to take a good hard look and listen at this very short video clip of Steve Jobs:

Point nicely made Piggie, Samsung copied Apple (which is why they make rip-offs), while Apple stole the best ideas away from every other manufacturer to make something original. I'm surprised to hear you think Apple are great artists, but good on you.

EDIT: As for 'how different could it be', I don't know. The point is Apple made a tablet and could be as original as they wished. Samsung, however, wanted some of that money so they said 'better make an iPad but change things not to make it better but in order to differentiate it'.
 
Try reading the legal accusations against Samsung and then you won't look so ignorant of the facts.
 
The galaxy tab is not a copy of the ipad..

Form factor is different, back is different, no home button, different OS.. the Galaxy Tablet part of this lawsuit is absurd..

Is Apple now contending that no one else can make a tablet that is thin, rectangular and has a black border?

Even the samples they distributed at the Google event had Androids all over the back of the unit, so there was no confusing it with an iPad..

There was also no TouchWiz interface on the Google Galaxy Tablets.. so no infringement there..

Regarding the boxing/presentation of the Galaxy.. If it's that big of a deal, Samsung should just change it... Packaging definitely isn't going to make me buy one product or the other.. I don't care if it comes in a burlap sack.. if the product is a good product, I'll buy it.

Companies revise their products all the time in order to be competitive.. Does Apple hold a patent on thin as well?

What about the tablets by Asus, Acer, Moto and HTC? Why the Galaxy tab line specifically and why now? The 7" version has been out for quite a while..

Apple wants a monopoly on the tablet market and they perceive the galaxy tablets as the first real threat to the iPad.

Re: the Galaxy line of phones.. I believe that's a totally different story and I think Samsung has totally ripped off Apple's design.
 
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How much did Samsung pay you to post this? Their products are substandard and their customer service is non-existent.
 
How much did Samsung pay you to post this?

Are you for real?

I'm a big Apple fan.. I've got an iPad, iPhones, etc..

The level of service Samsung provides isn't relevant. It's well known they provide mediocre service.. I know that first hand as a Samsung HDD customer.

The Galaxy doesn't blow the iPad away.. just like the Xoom didn't.. the OS is barely functional, Android 3.0x is at BEST an alpha release and the 3.1x is maybe a beta.

Tegra is weak, requires transcoding to play videos properly and the list goes on.

Thin, rectangular, and with a equal width black bezel, does not an iPad make.

Again, I fully agree w/ Apple re: the Galaxy line of phones..
 
This is my point about why Android is out selling iOS. I have had two phones in 6 months, both due to failures, henchman has had 4 in what I suspect is 1.5 years, and ezekielrage had 6 in less than a year. Between the three of us, that is 12 phones in a little over a year.

It's economic of scale, plenty in my office are in the same boat whereby they're on their 2nd or 3rd Android phone compared to the iPhone users who are still on their 1st iPhones.

I suspect there's some bloated figured with regards to Andriod sales versus the Android phones that are actually being used compared to replacements. I'm not singling out Android here just the general observations people seem to be updating the phones more on Android branded phone compared to iPhone.
 
OS
- GTab: Honeycomb (possible 3.1 upon release) / iPad: iOS 4.3

Screen
- GTab: 10.1 PLS / iPad: 9.7 IPS

Resolution
- GTab: 1280x800 / iPad: 1024x768

CPU
- GTab: Nvidia Tegra 2 or Samsung Exynos (unconfirmed) / iPad: Samsung A5

Sensors
- GTab: Multi-touch, Gyro, Accelerometer, Ambient Light / iPad: Same as GTab

Expandable Storage
- GTab: Micro SD / iPad: None

Camera
- GTab: 3MP back & 2MP front (Flash & Autofocus) / iPad: 0.9MP

Speakers
- GTab: Stereo / iPad: Mono

...so really, besides the fact that they are both rectangle, have the same sensors, and have screens... what exactly is being copied here? :confused:
 
I suspect there's some bloated figured with regards to Andriod sales versus the Android phones that are actually being used compared to replacements. I'm not singling out Android here just the general observations people seem to be updating the phones more on Android branded phone compared to iPhone.

That does anecdotally seem to be the case, doesn't it? Android users seem to burn through their phones always in search of the next big thing.

But overall Android popularity is real for you see them out and about along with the Blackberrys and the iPhones. But although I've seen lots of iPads, so far I've yet to see any other tablet in public. It's nothing but iPads so far.
 
I suspect there's some bloated figured with regards to Andriod sales versus the Android phones that are actually being used compared to replacements. I'm not singling out Android here just the general observations people seem to be updating the phones more on Android branded phone compared to iPhone.

I believe the only reason to update any Android driven device is to get the latest software release. It appears to me the only updates available are the ones that come on new hardware. In the throw away Android market what you buy is what you get. no promise of upgrades, no promise of a future. If you want the latest Android features, you must upgrade your hardware. It helps with sales figures, it helps with bloated numbers about who has the most distribution in any OS. As I stated in an earlier post the true measure is not how many have sold but rather how many are still in use 6 months 12 months or several years after the point of sale.

My daughter is a prime example, could care less about Android, but wants a smart phone, she changes her cell phone more than I wash my car. But all those old phones are sitting in a closet somewhere collecting dust. Androids only built in update path is through hardware sales not software updates.

This is one of the biggest flaws of the Android market and why it will eventually start losing ground. People will grow tired of replacing their hardware every 6 months just to stay current, or heaven forbid just to keep it working. All my iOS hardware is still purring along just as it was the day I bought it.... perfectly and all have received many updates from Apple. When Google figures out the OS makes the market and puts firm controls in place along with a consistent update/upgrade path android will have grown into a viable alternative. As long is it is different in every piece of hardware and updates are based on the hardware distribution chain it will fail. Maybe not today, or tomorrow, but it will fail.
 
That does anecdotally seem to be the case, doesn't it? Android users seem to burn through their phones always in search of the next big thing. .

I know it's very anecdotal, though I am going on people I know who have them. I'm not saying they're looking for the new best thing, rather using it and having it replaced due to cheaper handsets, replacements via servicing or contract or just finding a better featured flavor of an Android Handset.

Neither am I trying to say iPhone or Android is better rather how most use it and see the ecosystem, iPhone has a higher pricing point (generally) thus why I think the iPhones aren't updated as easily or frequently, IMHO Android Handset seem far more disposable.
 
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Well, also iOS devices get software updated all the time, including with new functionality. Android devices have to depend on their carrier to give them updates, some do, some take a while. So if you have an iPhone, it tends to work well and satisfy its users (according to customer surveys), and as you say it was an investment (especially in some countries) to begin with. All reasons to stick with your phone.
 
That does anecdotally seem to be the case, doesn't it? Android users seem to burn through their phones always in search of the next big thing.

But overall Android popularity is real for you see them out and about along with the Blackberrys and the iPhones. But although I've seen lots of iPads, so far I've yet to see any other tablet in public. It's nothing but iPads so far.

I work in the Loop in Chicago right near the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, the Sears (Willis) Tower, etc. Lots of high powered business types walking around in that area at all hours of the day. (I generally do NOT fit in as I work for a pretty laid back software company that allows jeans every day. ;) )

I'm a gadget person, and I'm always just kind of observing what people are walking around with. I see craploads of iPhones, and most of them are iPhone 4s--the antenna band gives it away every time. Also interesting to me is that most of them don't have cases. I also see tons of Blackberrys. I feel like, and this is strictly anecdotal, I don't see as many Androids and the ones I do see have the telltale Droid Incredible camera lens on the back. Lots of EVO 4Gs too. But I may not be noticing the Android stuff as much because the phone hardware itself doesn't always really have an identity--just kind of a black plastic box. You can always tell an iPhone or a Blackberry, but to tell if it's an Android phone or what kind of Android phone it is, you have to look a little harder.

As far as tablets, I see those mostly on the train to and from the city, and they're always iPads. I saw one Galaxy Tab one time. For eReaders I see lots of Kindles and very few Nooks. One lady that always sits near me on the train has a Sony eReader. It's kind of funny--the day I got my iPad 2 from UPS, I saw a lot of people walking around with the same brown boxes that day and the next day when I left work. I think a lot of us Chicago-ites got their iPads all on the same day.
 
As far as tablets, I see those mostly on the train to and from the city, and they're always iPads. I saw one Galaxy Tab one time. For eReaders I see lots of Kindles and very few Nooks. One lady that always sits near me on the train has a Sony eReader. It's kind of funny--the day I got my iPad 2 from UPS, I saw a lot of people walking around with the same brown boxes that day and the next day when I left work. I think a lot of us Chicago-ites got their iPads all on the same day.

I fly a lot for my job and I can tell you when walking down the isle to the bathroom, most laptops or tablets are apple. I see very little of anything else on aircraft. I swear one flight was at least 25% IPads.

There are Ipads... and there are Ipad Clones. But you only notice the REAL thing! :)
 
It's economic of scale, plenty in my office are in the same boat whereby they're on their 2nd or 3rd Android phone compared to the iPhone users who are still on their 1st iPhones.

I suspect there's some bloated figured with regards to Andriod sales versus the Android phones that are actually being used compared to replacements. I'm not singling out Android here just the general observations people seem to be updating the phones more on Android branded phone compared to iPhone.

I've had 4 phones in 3 years. Nit because i really needed to upgrade, but because I wanted to.
 
No, it's not a matter of being scared of Samsung (and really, why would they be scared?), who is a close partner of theirs. But in legal matters, you either protect your intellectual property or you don't. If you do, these are the sorts of legal requests you make to investiagate your accusations. Nothing unusual here in the legal sense.

I understand what you're trying to get at. But if that's the case than why not ask for materials and documents pertaining to the galaxy s phone only?

Instead they want that, documents an materials for the new galaxy tab, which wasn't even out at the time of the lawsuit, and five future devices that haven't even been sold or announced.

That would be equivalent to another company asking for documents and prototypes to iPhone 4s, 5, 5s, 6...

That's just crazy. And really if they weren't worried then they shouldn't care what samsung releases. But seems as though the are.
 
I understand what you're trying to get at. But if that's the case than why not ask for materials and documents pertaining to the galaxy s phone only?

Instead they want that, documents an materials for the new galaxy tab, which wasn't even out at the time of the lawsuit, and five future devices that haven't even been sold or announced.

That would be equivalent to another company asking for documents and prototypes to iPhone 4s, 5, 5s, 6...

That's just crazy. And really if they weren't worried then they shouldn't care what samsung releases. But seems as though the are.

I think the real point is that Samsung is a key supplier/partner in the IPad development. They have insider information and are privy to design spec's early in the game. To take this inside information from a customer, and then spin your own clone out is at best unethical, at worst copy right infringement.

In any case it is how all the clones are getting out there. As someone else said, they are just copying the Apple iOS products, and doing a bit of spec-manship to convince others they did not copy the design. if you change a few specs some people will agree with you, that by George you did develop that all by yourself.
 
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