Samsung Galaxy 10.1 copies the iPad...and blows it away!

[Night Spring]

The thing I wish apple would take from honeycomb is true tabbed browsing.

Actually, I like not having tabs on the iPad browser, as it maximizes space for displaying webpage content. If Apple does add tabbed browsing to Safari, I'd hope there is an option to hide tabs -- but wait, if the tabs are going to be hidden, then why not show thumbnail views of each page when the user pushes "reveal tabs," rather than just their titles? So come to think of it, that's probably how we ended up with no-tabs browsing in the first place, and I for one am not complaining.

 

[Piggie]

Actually, I like not having tabs on the iPad browser, as it maximizes space for displaying webpage content. If Apple does add tabbed browsing to Safari, I'd hope there is an option to hide tabs -- but wait, if the tabs are going to be hidden, then why not show thumbnail views of each page when the user pushes "reveal tabs," rather than just their titles? So come to think of it, that's probably how we ended up with no-tabs browsing in the first place, and I for one am not complaining.

Should tabs be removed from all the web browsers on the iMac, under OSX to do you think?

 

[fizzwinkus]

Should tabs be removed from all the web browsers on the iMac, under OSX to do you think?

i want the animations for entering and exiting safari's 9 tab screen to be faster.

 

[ezekielrage_99]

That's interesting.
I've had none of those problems on any of the 4 Android phones I've owned.

And if you're expecting an iPhone to last longer than 24 hour, I suggest you read up on user experiences by Googling "iPhone battery life".

Realworld usage seems to be quite different domain Apples claims.

I've replaced 3 Sony Xperia X10i and 1 Arc for very similar reasons, though I'm not considering it's 100% the OS's fault rather "less than groingrabbingly awesome hardware" with a poorly developed Sony software wrapper, while I had 2 other Androids that just fell apart or the OS didn't run well on the hardware.

Still 6 Android phones in less than a year doesn't fill me confidence for the whole Android experience, not say it's crap but from my experience there's too many flavors of hardware and the software has yet to come into its own IMHO.

I now have an iPhone and feel special just like the 20+ million other people who have one

 

[Night Spring]

Should tabs be removed from all the web browsers on the iMac, under OSX to do you think?

Well, no. Desktop monitors have plenty of space, so I don't mind tabs. I do wish sometimes I could hide the tabs on my 13-inch MacAir screen, and I imagine I'd wish for that feature even harder if I had the 11-inch Air.

 

[RWinOR]

That's interesting.
I've had none of those problems on any of the 4 Android phones I've owned.

Still 6 Android phones in less than a year doesn't fill me confidence for the whole Android experience, not say it's crap but from my experience there's too many flavors of hardware and the software has yet to come into its own IMHO.

This is my point about why Android is out selling iOS. I have had two phones in 6 months, both due to failures, henchman has had 4 in what I suspect is 1.5 years, and ezekielrage had 6 in less than a year. Between the three of us, that is 12 phones in a little over a year.

Android has promise but the general philosophy of the market needs to change for it to be a long term contender. The players need to understand it is not just the first time point of sale and grab what you can. But rather the entire experience of owning and using the device.

I was a windows user, and my first purchase of any Apple products was the 1st gen Ipod touch. The quality was exceptional, and user experience out of this world. It was so good in fact that when I needed to replace a desktop computer i purchased an IMac, again I was blown away with the quality and ease of set up. So much so that we have replaced all our home equipment with Apple products.

Say what you want about Apple and koolaid etc, The point is Steve has figured out how to keep the highest customer retention percentages in the high tech industry.

When Android combines into a single force with a clear leadership and there is no longer variations of the Os on every device then I for one will be happy to take a serious look at them again. But if the Android Os is different on every phone I look at and the user interface is different, they are a short lived fad. IMHO

 

[Meanee]

Say what you want about Apple and koolaid etc, The point is Steve has figured out how to keep the highest customer retention percentages in the high tech industry.

You mean how all corporate users are switching from Windows to Mac? Or how all the lost Blackberry marketshare is going to iOS?

Should I pre-cool sir's Kool Aid glass?

 

[NebulaClash]

Right, when dozens of manufacturers roll out hundreds of Android phone models, offering cheap versions and BOGO offers, including lots of Asian knockoffs, of course you are going to see them be the volume leader. It wasn't Android demand doing it, it was manufacturer push.

Who goes into a store demanding Android? The geeks do, of course. The open source principled types do it. Teen boys who watch the ads and think Android will turn them into a cool-looking robot. People who hate Apple. That's about it. All the other Android users are people who wanted a smart phone, got handed an Android phone by the salesperson, thought it looked good, and now they use Android. Occasionally it's a person who goes into Sprint or T-Mobile and asks for an iPhone, gets handed some high-end Samsung, and thinks, "cool, Angry Birds!"

So while the iPhone is the most popular model of phone in many countries, and while the iPhone has the mindshare thanks to ubiquitous commercial awareness, it is Android that has the sheer number of models and volume of phones sold. But it does not have the kind of momentum its users crow about, and certainly not for the reasons they think it does.

 

[Meanee]

Right, when dozens of manufacturers roll out hundreds of Android phone models, offering cheap versions and BOGO offers, including lots of Asian knockoffs, of course you are going to see them be the volume leader. It wasn't Android demand doing it, it was manufacturer push.

Who goes into a store demanding Android? The geeks do, of course. The open source principled types do it. Teen boys who watch the ads and think Android will turn them into a cool-looking robot. People who hate Apple. That's about it. All the other Android users are people who wanted a smart phone, got handed an Android phone by the salesperson, thought it looked good, and now they use Android. Occasionally it's a person who goes into Sprint or T-Mobile and asks for an iPhone, gets handed some high-end Samsung, and thinks, "cool, Angry Birds!"

So while the iPhone is the most popular model of phone in many countries, and while the iPhone has the mindshare thanks to ubiquitous commercial awareness, it is Android that has the sheer number of models and volume of phones sold. But it does not have the kind of momentum its users crow about, and certainly not for the reasons they think it does.

My mother, who used to be technical, back in late 80's, can somewhat get around the internet now. Picked up Nexus S after using G1. Loves it. Does not want to hear about iPhone, after extensively using it.

My stepfather, who avoids computers because they are too complicated, started with Samsung Android phone, upgraded to Nexus S. Same thing.

My sister, who is 11, likes technology, and refuses to get an iPhone. Uses my stepfather's Samsung.

My girlfriend, not technical, but enjoys her Macbook. Genuinely believes that iPhone is a downgrade from her Samsung Transform.

My father, plays flash games in free time. Picked up Android tablet so he can continue doing that.

So, let's stop generalizing, assuming and lumping people together. I work in IT. I can appreciate Android and iOS at the same time. I do find iOS to be much weaker than Android, and would never touch iPhone (at least in it's current form. Who knows what iOS5 will bring to the table). With me being a techie, you would assume that I would not even come close to an iOS device?

 

[kalex]

Who goes into a store demanding Android? The geeks do, of course. The open source principled types do it. Teen boys who watch the ads and think Android will turn them into a cool-looking robot. People who hate Apple. That's about it. All the other Android users are people who wanted a smart phone, got handed an Android phone by the salesperson, thought it looked good, and now they use Android. Occasionally it's a person who goes into Sprint or T-Mobile and asks for an iPhone, gets handed some high-end Samsung, and thinks, "cool, Angry Birds!"

Typical uninformed iFan nonsense

 

[TheUndertow]

Wow. Thinner. Lighter. Better screen. Better camera. 2x RAM.

Competition is good. We (the consumers) win.

Agreed, but I still say the software makes the tablet, and not the other way around.

Specs are specs...and they're on paper.

Real life usage varies based on what you can do with said specs.


Don't get me wrong, the iPad 2 is not without fault, but it's sum is greater than the parts, thanks to the software approach and vast amounts of content.

Not sure I can say that about the Galaxy...

 

[spiderman0616]

My mother, who used to be technical, back in late 80's, can somewhat get around the internet now. Picked up Nexus S after using G1. Loves it. Does not want to hear about iPhone, after extensively using it.

My stepfather, who avoids computers because they are too complicated, started with Samsung Android phone, upgraded to Nexus S. Same thing.

My sister, who is 11, likes technology, and refuses to get an iPhone. Uses my stepfather's Samsung.

My girlfriend, not technical, but enjoys her Macbook. Genuinely believes that iPhone is a downgrade from her Samsung Transform.

My father, plays flash games in free time. Picked up Android tablet so he can continue doing that.

So, let's stop generalizing, assuming and lumping people together. I work in IT. I can appreciate Android and iOS at the same time. I do find iOS to be much weaker than Android, and would never touch iPhone (at least in it's current form. Who knows what iOS5 will bring to the table). With me being a techie, you would assume that I would not even come close to an iOS device?

I'm sure that NOTHING you said to your family could have gotten them to swear off iOS.

 

[NebulaClash]

My mother, who used to be technical, back in late 80's, can somewhat get around the internet now. Picked up Nexus S after using G1. Loves it. Does not want to hear about iPhone, after extensively using it.

My stepfather, who avoids computers because they are too complicated, started with Samsung Android phone, upgraded to Nexus S. Same thing.

My sister, who is 11, likes technology, and refuses to get an iPhone. Uses my stepfather's Samsung.

My girlfriend, not technical, but enjoys her Macbook. Genuinely believes that iPhone is a downgrade from her Samsung Transform.

My father, plays flash games in free time. Picked up Android tablet so he can continue doing that.

So, let's stop generalizing, assuming and lumping people together. I work in IT. I can appreciate Android and iOS at the same time. I do find iOS to be much weaker than Android, and would never touch iPhone (at least in it's current form. Who knows what iOS5 will bring to the table). With me being a techie, you would assume that I would not even come close to an iOS device?

You provide examples that mostly prove my point. Anti-Apple, techies, people who are given an Android phone, etc.

On MacRumors we all are techies to one degree or another. So it's hard for us to imagine the vastly larger market for phones bought by people who know absolutely nothing about the OS running the phone. That's the majority of phone purchases. It has nothing to do with Android or iOS, and everything to do with price and availability.

So my points stand, even if others wish to put their fingers in their ears and blindly pretend this is uninformed iFan nonense, I'll let them live in their blind world. The real world is as I describe it. Android does not have mindshare among the general public as a whole, even if you want to drag in relative after relative in a futile anecdotal evidence fest.

 

[Night Spring]

My father, plays flash games in free time. Picked up Android tablet so he can continue doing that.

Do flash games work on tablets?

 

[Carouser]

So, let's stop generalizing, assuming and lumping people together.

Ok, so on one hand we have the correct claim that "when dozens of manufacturers roll out hundreds of Android phone models, offering cheap versions and BOGO offers, including lots of Asian knockoffs, of course you are going to see them be the volume leader". On the other hand we have evidence of one (one!) family who uses Android.

The majority of people are not selecting their Android phones because those phones have Android, they are selecting them on other grounds. Do you ever talk to the people at the front lines selling product or what?

 

[Meanee]

I'm sure that NOTHING you said to your family could have gotten them to swear off iOS.

Nothing at all. Actually, I was able to pick up few iPhones for them pretty cheap. Most of them said No. My sister was more swayed towards iPhone mostly because peer pressure in school.

I tried to go the non-techie route, offered them iPhones first, so I do not have to worry about them bugging me, but they all got Android and all are happy.

 

[Meanee]

You provide examples that mostly prove my point. Anti-Apple, techies, people who are given an Android phone, etc.

On MacRumors we all are techies to one degree or another. So it's hard for us to imagine the vastly larger market for phones bought by people who know absolutely nothing about the OS running the phone. That's the majority of phone purchases. It has nothing to do with Android or iOS, and everything to do with price and availability.

So my points stand, even if others wish to put their fingers in their ears and blindly pretend this is uninformed iFan nonense, I'll let them live in their blind world. The real world is as I describe it. Android does not have mindshare among the general public as a whole, even if you want to drag in relative after relative in a futile anecdotal evidence fest.

Nobody was GIVEN an Android phone. My mother was due for a phone upgrade and I wanted to give her a gift. Took her to AT&T store to show iPhone, and then to T-Mobile store, to show the G1. She went with G1. It kind of cascaded down from it. But I let them make their own decisions.

 

[NebulaClash]

Nobody was GIVEN an Android phone. My mother was due for a phone upgrade and I wanted to give her a gift. Took her to AT&T store to show iPhone, and then to T-Mobile store, to show the G1. She went with G1. It kind of cascaded down from it. But I let them make their own decisions.

Your gift didn't count as being given a phone, got it.

I get your point, she made her own decision. A great anecdotal evidence story that does not negate my point which talks in general terms about the vast majority of phone buyers.

 

[Carouser]

Nobody was GIVEN an Android phone.

Did you see the part where the poster wrote "Anti-apple, techies, people who are given an Android phone, etc."?

That 'etc.' means the poster is referring to people who ended up with Android phones for all sorts of reasons, reasons which have nothing to do with selecting the device on the grounds they prefer Android to iOS. It also has to do with things like already being used to Android and not wanting a new interface, having specific needs that iOS doesn't address (like being a Flash game aficionado), just 'not liking Apple products', and all the other people besides your family who've chosen Android phones (and iOS devices) for reasons that have nothing to do with what they think of the OS.

However, you've convinced us that your mother wasn't given her phone. Well argued!

 

[Meanee]

Ok, so on one hand we have the correct claim that "when dozens of manufacturers roll out hundreds of Android phone models, offering cheap versions and BOGO offers, including lots of Asian knockoffs, of course you are going to see them be the volume leader". On the other hand we have evidence of one (one!) family who uses Android.

The majority of people are not selecting their Android phones because those phones have Android, they are selecting them on other grounds. Do you ever talk to the people at the front lines selling product or what?

it's a MACrumors, so you won't see much of an evidence of more than 1 family using Android. Too many people with Apple Kool-Aid IVs.

Yes, there are cheap versions, but BOGO offers are pretty good. Remember original Droid was BOGO and it's a great phone. And now you have ads on TV for iPhone 3GS for $50, so it's also a "cheap phone"

Point being, even if you shave off 5% marketshare for cheap knocksoffs, you still see clear dominance and growth.

 

[Carouser]

it's a MACrumors, so you won't see much of an evidence of more than 1 family using Android. Too many people with Apple Kool-Aid IVs.

Ah, the old 'kool-aid herp derp' gambit.

We're analysing things at the level of the market, not what a bunch of forum nerds have to say. It wouldn't matter if this was AndroidRumors and there were a hundred people who said 'My family all uses Android.' Why? Because of course there are lots of people who use Android, that isn't the point - the point is that Android's presence in the market (just like iOS) is based on factors other than consumer preference for Android; it also has to do with price, habit, availability, marketing, loyalty, product turnover, and more.

 

[Meanee]

Ah, the old 'kool-aid herp derp' gambit.

We're analysing things at the level of the market, not what a bunch of forum nerds have to say. It wouldn't matter if this was AndroidRumors and there were a hundred people who said 'My family all uses Android.' Why? Because of course there are lots of people who use Android, that isn't the point - the point is that Android's presence in the market (just like iOS) is based on factors other than consumer preference for Android; it also has to do with price, habit, availability, marketing, loyalty, product turnover, and more.

You would expect a warm reception if you go to android forums and proclaim your love for iOS?

I understand that Android may seem more economical, but with iPhone being on another carrier really didn't do much to a marketshare, while android is gaining more and more users. Even with 3GS being $50, a damn good price for ANY smartphone, let alone an Apple product, still the same.

Anyway, I feel somewhat responsible for derailing the thread into Phones realm, so, back on track.

Galaxy vs iPad! Go Go Go

 

[Meanee]

Your gift didn't count as being given a phone, got it.

I get your point, she made her own decision. A great anecdotal evidence story that does not negate my point which talks in general terms about the vast majority of phone buyers.

Yes, my gift did not count.

We went to both AT&T store and T-Mobile store. She played around with both phones. I was standing in the other side of the store quiet. If I push certain platform/device on my family, I will never hear the end of it, being a techie, everyone will ask me to explain/fix things.

I know that T-Mobile being cheaper and having hardware keyboard was what influenced her, but now with Nexus S, it's about the same.

 

[fizzwinkus]

sounds like she fit exactly into the category: looking for a smartphone and was handed an android.
i'm sure she went in after doing extensive research and decided android was better due to the upcoming 2.3xx ota update that would fix her ____ issues.

 

[NebulaClash]

Yes, cost and certain features count a lot in the non-techie decision. If you need a keyboard, that's it, no iPhone for you. That will eventually end as people grow up with touch screens, but 20th-century technology will stick around as long as 20th-century people demand them.