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Yes, cost and certain features count a lot in the non-techie decision. If you need a keyboard, that's it, no iPhone for you. That will eventually end as people grow up with touch screens, but 20th-century technology will stick around as long as 20th-century people demand them.

Actually, I have a friend who doesn't want any touch phone because of her long fingernails.
 
The Asus transformer is the real deal. That thing flies off the shelves faster than the ipad2 they sellout in minutes whenever they become available.
 
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Right, when dozens of manufacturers roll out hundreds of Android phone models, offering cheap versions and BOGO offers, including lots of Asian knockoffs, of course you are going to see them be the volume leader. It wasn't Android demand doing it, it was manufacturer push.

Who goes into a store demanding Android? The geeks do, of course. The open source principled types do it. Teen boys who watch the ads and think Android will turn them into a cool-looking robot. People who hate Apple. That's about it. All the other Android users are people who wanted a smart phone, got handed an Android phone by the salesperson, thought it looked good, and now they use Android. Occasionally it's a person who goes into Sprint or T-Mobile and asks for an iPhone, gets handed some high-end Samsung, and thinks, "cool, Angry Birds!"

So while the iPhone is the most popular model of phone in many countries, and while the iPhone has the mindshare thanks to ubiquitous commercial awareness, it is Android that has the sheer number of models and volume of phones sold. But it does not have the kind of momentum its users crow about, and certainly not for the reasons they think it does.

i can't decide if this is ignorance, narrow mindedness or overgeneralization... you can win the award for all three i guess...
 
Utter nonsense

The title of this thread says it all: The Samsung Galaxy copies the iPad.

Thats all you need to know. An asian Apple supplier reverse-engineered the iPad 2, and came up with something that copies every revolutionary, groundbreaking, and innovative feature of the iPad. And, yes, it throws in a couple of "features" designed to gull the brain-dead techies who still think Flash is relevant. .

I'll be honest: I don't like people who copy others work. I didn't like kids in school who were too lazy to do their own work. And I don't like people in my office who do the same thing. I don't like it when movie directors try to "rip off" the popularity of hit movies by making cheeseball versions. I don't like it when people copy the design of Rolex watches or Mercedes S-Class sedans

I think ripping-off other people's work is morally wrong. And I think its a bad idea commercially to "reward" companies for stealing other people's ideas. Thats the real dark side of the (often repeated idiocy) of "competition is good for us."

If you REWARD ripoffs, what incentive is their for truly innovative companies to take a chance?

So, no: The Galaxy doesn't "blow away" the iPad. It never will. There is virtually no decent software for it. It will end up being sold in crummy Best Buys and Tiger Direct outlets. There is no "Genius bar" to help you. There is no organized, centralized OS update system. It doesn't work with your iTunes or AppleTV system. Its liable to crashes and, perhaps more dangerous, security and privacy breaches. It is - at BEST - a $500 personal video player. Something thats been available for a decade or more.

So ramble on, Android fans. But know this: You have earned nothing but the scorn of me, and every other decent human being, on the planet.
 
The title of this thread says it all: The Samsung Galaxy copies the iPad.

Thats all you need to know. An asian Apple supplier reverse-engineered the iPad 2, and came up with something that copies every revolutionary, groundbreaking, and innovative feature of the iPad. And, yes, it throws in a couple of "features" designed to gull the brain-dead techies who still think Flash is relevant. .

Tell me, how did it copy it? It's similar size, that's where similarities end.
 
According to that link the Xoom is a better seller than the ipad2. Your real world rankings are BS

Huh? You said the Asus Transformer is already outselling the iPad 2 (despite it just being released). I show you one list where that is obviously false, and instead of admitting your error you change the subject to a different company and different model. Then you get praised for using logic and get a touche from other Android users who can't see the dishonesty of your argument.

I get called out earlier for overgeneralization, and that is true in that long post I made. I was overgeneralizing. But it is not ignorance, for what I wrote, in general, is true. And it is not narrow-mindedness, for I am in favor of the Android concept and I wish it success and I genuinely feel bad for Android users for what Google is going to do to you.

But there is too much outright dishonesty among the Android pushers in this thread. What's the point of pointing out facts if you are just going to change the subject? That's intellectual dishonesty of a high level. Enjoy your choice.
 
Wow what a nonsense derail, what does it have to with anything? I guess the Asus Transformer really IS the Real Deal after all. Nice job, you guys earned those high-fives.
 
You provide examples that mostly prove my point. Anti-Apple, techies, people who are given an Android phone, etc.

On MacRumors we all are techies to one degree or another. So it's hard for us to imagine the vastly larger market for phones bought by people who know absolutely nothing about the OS running the phone. That's the majority of phone purchases. It has nothing to do with Android or iOS, and everything to do with price and availability.

So my points stand, even if others wish to put their fingers in their ears and blindly pretend this is uninformed iFan nonense, I'll let them live in their blind world. The real world is as I describe it. Android does not have mindshare among the general public as a whole, even if you want to drag in relative after relative in a futile anecdotal evidence fest.

I agree with you. There's a lot of people here where I work, who have android phones and DON'T EVEN REALIZE IT. They basically went into the carrier store and wanted to see nice big touchscreen phones and picked one out that looked cool. Most of these people don't have music on the phone, and have never purchased an app from the android marketplace (or maybe just one to try it).

When I ask them what OS is on their phone, they don't know what I mean. To them their phone is an LG Whatever or HTC Whatever or Samsung Whatever. Half the time they don't even know the Whatever part of the name of the phone, they just know it's an LG or something because that's printed on the phone itself.

So I think to the general public, android has become a behind the scenes name for the OS that goes into a lot of phones, and then of course these manufacturers are then skinning the OS with their own thing, so their phone will look different than the others or have a cool animation that will get people to buy the phone in the store. I don't think they're building up a huge android following, though, because a lot of these people wouldn't know if they moved from an android to a webOS or symbian, other then noticing that things worked differently. They just think that's how that particular phone model works.
 
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Wow what a nonsense derail, what does it have to with anything? I guess the Asus Transformer really IS the Real Deal after all. Nice job, you guys earned those high-fives.

It's the usual intellectual dishonesty. In a couple of months the Asus Transformer will be forgotten and some new model will be the great hope.
 
Amazon Tablet

If we are going to discuss other tablets, the true contender will be the Amazon tablet:
1) Access to all Amazon media with your Amazon login;
2) A (probably) well organized app store;
3) A base of Kindle owners to directly sell to, much like Apple had a base of iPod and iPhone users.

I would imagine that once Amazon comes out, there will be three major brands: Apple, Amazon and RIM. All others will fall to the side unless they drastically undercut in price.

jdg
 
But there is too much outright dishonesty among the Android pushers in this thread. What's the point of pointing out facts if you are just going to change the subject? That's intellectual dishonesty of a high level. Enjoy your choice.

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The title of this thread says it all: The Samsung Galaxy copies the iPad.

Thats all you need to know. An asian Apple supplier reverse-engineered the iPad 2, and came up with something that copies every revolutionary, groundbreaking, and innovative feature of the iPad. And, yes, it throws in a couple of "features" designed to gull the brain-dead techies who still think Flash is relevant. .

I'll be honest: I don't like people who copy others work. I didn't like kids in school who were too lazy to do their own work. And I don't like people in my office who do the same thing. I don't like it when movie directors try to "rip off" the popularity of hit movies by making cheeseball versions. I don't like it when people copy the design of Rolex watches or Mercedes S-Class sedans

I think ripping-off other people's work is morally wrong. And I think its a bad idea commercially to "reward" companies for stealing other people's ideas. Thats the real dark side of the (often repeated idiocy) of "competition is good for us."

If you REWARD ripoffs, what incentive is their for truly innovative companies to take a chance?

So, no: The Galaxy doesn't "blow away" the iPad. It never will. There is virtually no decent software for it. It will end up being sold in crummy Best Buys and Tiger Direct outlets. There is no "Genius bar" to help you. There is no organized, centralized OS update system. It doesn't work with your iTunes or AppleTV system. Its liable to crashes and, perhaps more dangerous, security and privacy breaches. It is - at BEST - a $500 personal video player. Something thats been available for a decade or more.

So ramble on, Android fans. But know this: You have earned nothing but the scorn of me, and every other decent human being, on the planet.

I think Samsung kind of shoots themselves in the foot with all the copying. Anyone who sees someone with a Galaxy Tab 10.1 will likely think it's an iPad anyway. If you're copying something so much that it almost looks exactly like the thing you're copying, you are just advertising for the people you're copying.
 
The Asus transformer is the real deal. That thing flies off the shelves faster than the ipad2 they sellout in minutes whenever they become available.

that's because iPads don't even make it to the shelves. They literally go from box to customers hands.

The Asus Transformer? Are you serious?
 
I think Samsung kind of shoots themselves in the foot with all the copying. Anyone who sees someone with a Galaxy Tab 10.1 will likely think it's an iPad anyway. If you're copying something so much that it almost looks exactly like the thing you're copying, you are just advertising for the people you're copying.

excellent point. If there is so much wrong with the iPad, why is everybody copying it?
 
When I ask them what OS is on their phone, they don't know what I mean. To them their phone is an LG Whatever or HTC Whatever or Samsung Whatever. Half the time they don't even know the Whatever part of the name of the phone, they just know it's an LG or something because that's printed on the phone itself.

or maybe they just plainly think that the phone works for them.. you know.. as a phone. they don't care what brand or os is in them, because they do what they were mainly intended for.. to be a phone. people put too much thought into brands and images.. use whatever works best for you. i don't get this whole defending of one company over the other.. is apple or google paying you to try and convince others that what works for them is wrong, because you have this emotional investment in a piece of gadget?
 
The software is the most important part of a tablet. Its different than a phone in this regard. If i had to have one iOS and one Android item i would choose an iPad over the iPhone. iPad/Android phone > iPhone/Galaxy Tab
 
The software is the most important part of a tablet. Its different than a phone in this regard. If i had to have one iOS and one Android item i would choose an iPad over the iPhone. iPad/Android phone > iPhone/Galaxy Tab

I think that as of today, this is the right equation. If you just need a smart phone, an Android phone will serve most people very well. But if you need a tablet, the iPad is the one with the software choice you want.
 
I think that as of today, this is the right equation. If you just need a smart phone, an Android phone will serve most people very well. But if you need a tablet, the iPad is the one with the software choice you want.

I pretty much agree, though, I think the iPhone and Android phones are on an even keel here, at least moreso than the current tablets vs. iPad. The other thing is you're not just buying into an individual product, you're committing yourself to an infrastructure. Why buy into an application store which is going to fold or be decimated in two or three years? I'm not saying competing app stores will be like that, but it's not just the experience, or experience plus specs plus cost that guide decisions - Apple is the safe bet and the market leader, making their products even more enticing to most. It's a reinforcing cycle. I think people would be more tolerant of saying 'whatever' when it comes to picking and switching phone OSes than on their tablets and computers, but I'm not sure on that one.
 
The title of this thread says it all: The Samsung Galaxy copies the iPad.

Thats all you need to know. An asian Apple supplier reverse-engineered the iPad 2, and came up with something that copies every revolutionary, groundbreaking, and innovative feature of the iPad. And, yes, it throws in a couple of "features" designed to gull the brain-dead techies who still think Flash is relevant. .

I'll be honest: I don't like people who copy others work. I didn't like kids in school who were too lazy to do their own work. And I don't like people in my office who do the same thing. I don't like it when movie directors try to "rip off" the popularity of hit movies by making cheeseball versions. I don't like it when people copy the design of Rolex watches or Mercedes S-Class sedans

I think ripping-off other people's work is morally wrong. And I think its a bad idea commercially to "reward" companies for stealing other people's ideas. Thats the real dark side of the (often repeated idiocy) of "competition is good for us."

If you REWARD ripoffs, what incentive is their for truly innovative companies to take a chance?

So, no: The Galaxy doesn't "blow away" the iPad. It never will. There is virtually no decent software for it. It will end up being sold in crummy Best Buys and Tiger Direct outlets. There is no "Genius bar" to help you. There is no organized, centralized OS update system. It doesn't work with your iTunes or AppleTV system. Its liable to crashes and, perhaps more dangerous, security and privacy breaches. It is - at BEST - a $500 personal video player. Something thats been available for a decade or more.

So ramble on, Android fans. But know this: You have earned nothing but the scorn of me, and every other decent human being, on the planet.

Take a read at this:
http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/05/17/36646.htm

If its just Samsung copying Apple, why in the hell does Apple need to see five future releases of phones and tablets from Samsung before commercial release? They also want to see documents and marketing materials as well..

That sounds to me like they are scared of Samsung..
 
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