Samsung Galaxy 10.1 copies the iPad...and blows it away!

[NebulaClash]

I understand what you're trying to get at. But if that's the case than why not ask for materials and documents pertaining to the galaxy s phone only?

Instead they want that, documents an materials for the new galaxy tab, which wasn't even out at the time of the lawsuit, and five future devices that haven't even been sold or announced.

That would be equivalent to another company asking for documents and prototypes to iPhone 4s, 5, 5s, 6...

That's just crazy. And really if they weren't worried then they shouldn't care what samsung releases. But seems as though the are.

Again, it's not worry, it's legal thoroughness. They are accusing Samsung of copying elements of Apple's design that carry through a number of products. The app icons, for example, apple to both phones and tablets. So part of discovery is to examine not only what is on the market but what is in the lab so they can see if this copying is continuing with future products.

I'm not a big fan of legal matters like this, but I do know that if you make such an accusation, you'd be foolish not to be thorough. Apple is simply doing its job in this legal situation.

 

[iCole]

It looks promising. Looks well build too. I might go for one if my iPad1 ever dies (or if I just feel like it). The lack of apps sucks tho. Or better, the choice of apps on the iPad is awesome. I also fear for the lack of polish and the bad sync software. Kies was horrible. iTunes isn't the best way, but at least that one works
I do wish Samsung would build another Galaxy Tab 7 tho. I'm more in the market for a smaller device. One that can be handled more privately in public.

 

[Night Spring]

That would be equivalent to another company asking for documents and prototypes to iPhone 4s, 5, 5s, 6...

When companies ask to see another company's internal documents as part of a litigation process, there are strict limitations on who can see those documents. So it's not like Apple can send the plans for future Samsung devices and send it to their engineering department to analyze, or even show it to their executive team so they can take that into account when planning future direction. It's highly likely only the legal team working directly on the case is allowed to see the documents. They may get an engineer to advise them, but then that engineer couldn't be somebody currently working directly on Apple's products.

 

[InvalidBassist]

Honestly, I like the Galaxy Tab 10.1 for a Honeycomb Tablet. Plus it is already on 3.1 when it comes out... and most likely will get Ice Cream Sandwhich when that is released. I'm considering buying one when they're released in June.

I love my iPad, iPhone and MacBook and I don't think I'd ever use an Android device as my phone; but for a tablet that allows you access to its file structure, external memory and with a growing community of developers trying to out-do Apple the Honeycomb tabs are exciting... at least to me.

Maybe I'm just optimistic but I don't think Google is going anywhere and while their products and OS aren't as steady as Apple's are currently - they are trying to do a lot in a relatively short time... you've got to give them props for that.

I agree that there are a LOT of Android phones out there and that they have a growing base of users but that's only because they aren't selective with the providers, device manufacturers or how well the OS runs on EVERY phone that comes out with some mangled type of Android.
Limiting the selection of manufacturers and devices that can run their OS is what made Apple who they are and they are continuing their success through their mobile offerings.
Allowing their OS onto anything that might be able to barely run it is what made Microsoft who they are and Google is following them in that front.

 

[NateJamesMeyers]

How DARE samsung make a shiny rectangular 10 inch touchscreen! Apple invented tablets completely! RAH RAH IGNORANCE IGNORANCE

(edit: yes im purposefully being obtuse guys, dont take caps locked messages seriously )

 

[Keebler]

personally, i think competition is good for all sides. good for consumers b/c all manufacturers keep themselves on their toys.

For ME personally, I'll always have the iPad and iPhone combo. No, not b/c i'm a fanboi, but b/c my entire computer ecosystem is Mac based. Everything syncs / backs up effortlessly, functionality and thought processes are similar and it all just works - oh and let's not forget the app world, which, like it or not, got out in front first therefore being the further developed (no pun intended The other software worlds will develop, but i don't know if they'll ever catch up to the strength of Apple's software offerings. Maybe...time will tell. Again, competition wise, I hope Apple continues to be pushed.

If I wasn't Mac based, I'd really take a closer look at the diff tablets, but for me, the extra value comes in the aforementioned details.

 

[vrDrew]

How DARE samsung make a shiny rectangular 10 inch touchscreen! Apple invented tablets completely!

I think you are being purposely obtuse. Nobody claimed Apple "invented tablets" - there have been stylus-based Windows PCs since the early 2000s, if not before. But what Apple did was completely revolutionary: it dropped the stylus, and the use of a desktop-based operating system and processor, instead building the tablet around a touch-sensitive screen and a mobile-based OS and processor. Apple rejected the "tweener" 7" sized screen (which was Sumsung's first effort).

You also seem to be overlooking Samsung's role as a supplier to Apple. Since Samsung was picked as a vendor of touchscreens, this gave them a priviliged early look at what the iPad was going to be like. And quite frankly, you'd have to be pretty dim NOT to suspect them of mis-using that information to bring out their own "competitive" device.

If you want an example of "good" competition - as opposed to the slavish and dishonest type Samsung is engaging in - take a look at what Microsoft did with the Kinect.

Obviously, when Nintendo brought out the Wii in 2006, it shook up the console game market. And most likely it made Microsoft reconsider the "joystick and button" controller model for interfacing with the device. But rather than simply making a "copy" of the Wii wireless controller, Microsoft instead developed a system that relies on optical recognition and voice control.

I'm far from a fan of Microsoft. But the Kinect strikes me as an example of "good" competition - the kind that REALLY benefits consumers. Samsung are simply rip-off artists in comparison.

 

[NebulaClash]

Yes, the Kinect is a good example. And frankly, I think the new Microsoft Windows phones are another good example. I don't happen to like the look of those large square blocks, but I will at least admit they did their own UI approach. So many other companies just put rows and columns of icons (many of which look close to Apple's icons) just like the iPhone. That's not innovation, it's imitation.

 

[Carouser]

How DARE samsung make a shiny rectangular 10 inch touchscreen! Apple invented tablets completely! RAH RAH IGNORANCE IGNORANCE

Choose your own response:

(1) You've convinced me, I guess the Galaxy really does blow away the iPad after all. Who knew?

(2) [link to Wikipedia definition of strawman]

(3) the Galaxy doesn't do anything new in terms of hardware or software. They basically tried to make an iPad minus the Apple ecosystem/infrastructure and then are largely competing on spec. Competing quantitatively, that is (faster, more megapixels, lighter) rather than qualitatively (does substantially new things). Some people may like it and that's fine, but I have yet to be convinced that it's doing anything but chasing the iPad tail.

 

[4DThinker]

Samsung's offerings aren't the only tablets that are good competition for the iPad. The Tegra-2 10.1 tablets from Acer and Asus beat iPad on price, match it for graphics performance, and include hardware features (USB port, MicroSD expansion, HDMI out, etc.) Apple wants extra cash for.

The tablet apps advantage the iPad holds right now is only temporary. I'm loving the competition as it forces Apple to keep innovating. I expect pressure sensing capacitive screens, quad-core processors, and so on. Not because any current iPad owner needs that technology, but because the competition is heading there, and Apple will want to be first.

 

[Mac.World]

Samsung's offerings aren't the only tablets that are good competition for the iPad. The Tegra-2 10.1 tablets from Acer and Asus beat iPad on price, match it for graphics performance, and include hardware features (USB port, MicroSD expansion, HDMI out, etc.) Apple wants extra cash for.

It isn't just hardware, price or graphics that makes a successful tablet. Look at every tablet that has come out to try and compete with the iPad, regardless of the manufacturer.

The tablet apps advantage the iPad holds right now is only temporary. I'm loving the competition as it forces Apple to keep innovating. I expect pressure sensing capacitive screens, quad-core processors, and so on. Not because any current iPad owner needs that technology, but because the competition is heading there, and Apple will want to be first.

Not sure what makes you think the apps advantage the iPad has is only temporary? Basing that on the fact that Apple still has an app advantage with the iPhone 3 years on, even though Android based phones outnumber it 30 to 1? Tablet market isn't the phone market. If anything, the tablet market is more similar to the mp3 market in that both are luxury items. Phones are a necessity. And you can see where the mp3 market is.

 

[bufffilm]

there have been stylus-based Windows PCs since the early 2000s, if not before. But what Apple did was completely revolutionary: it dropped the stylus, and the use of a desktop-based operating system and processor, instead building the tablet around a touch-sensitive screen

what apple did was not revolutionary but evolutionary. it's not all that big a leap of 'innovation' to go from stylus to finger.

 

[NebulaClash]

what apple did was not revolutionary but evolutionary. it's not all that big a leap of 'innovation' to go from stylus to finger.

I disagree, I think there is a big leap. A stylus is a single point of contact on a screen. Fingers can be multiple points. Try to enlarge a photo with a stylus or with only one finger. Can't do it. But with two fingers it's not only easy but intuitive.

What Apple created was a revolutionary new touch UI that incorporated all sorts of finger movements mapped to functions that the industry took one look at and immediately started copying.

 

[bufffilm]

I disagree, I think there is a big leap. A stylus is a single point of contact on a screen. Fingers can be multiple points. Try to enlarge a photo with a stylus or with only one finger. Can't do it. But with two fingers it's not only easy but intuitive.

What Apple created was a revolutionary new touch UI that incorporated all sorts of finger movements mapped to functions that the industry took one look at and immediately started copying.

i was referring to the hardware side [of switching from stylus to finger].

i've acknowledged before that apple took a fresh approach with the UI on the ipad.

 

[4DThinker]

It isn't just hardware, price or graphics that makes a successful tablet. Look at every tablet that has come out to try and compete with the iPad, regardless of the manufacturer.

I've been collecting them just to do that. Beginning with a win7 9" Archos tablet more than a year ago, and ending with the Acer Iconia Tab I picked up a few days ago. I also own an iPad2, so can compare them side-by-side. You should do the same.

Not sure what makes you think the apps advantage the iPad has is only temporary?

There are apps, and then there are useful/desirable apps. Numbers only count if they represent apps people actually download and use. Today I can find all the useful apps for Android (and run on my tablets) that I've found useful on my iPad. Many developers make versions for both, but some are simply similar apps that have a unique feature or two to set them apart or take adantage of hardware on android devices that the iPad is missing. It's just math, really, extrapolated into the near future. I can already find apps for Android that don't exist for the iPad. Sources for Android apps grow in number while there remains but one Apple. Competition is a good thing!

4D

 

[henchman]

I disagree, I think there is a big leap. A stylus is a single point of contact on a screen. Fingers can be multiple points. Try to enlarge a photo with a stylus or with only one finger. Can't do it. But with two fingers it's not only easy but intuitive.

What Apple created was a revolutionary new touch UI that incorporated all sorts of finger movements mapped to functions that the industry took one look at and immediately started copying.

No, Apple did not create or even come up with The idea.
But they were quick to implement it.
Smart move.

The first public demonstration of the idea was really in Minority Report 9 years ago.

 

[fizzwinkus]

Damn straight! I still use my minority report computer to this very day and it blows away the iPad!
People are always amazed that apple can sell such pieces of crap when they could have bought this nearly a decade ago.

 

[Mac.World]

I've been collecting them just to do that. Beginning with a win7 9" Archos tablet more than a year ago, and ending with the Acer Iconia Tab I picked up a few days ago. I also own an iPad2, so can compare them side-by-side. You should do the same.

So, out of all your tablets, which one has been the success then?
Again, specs, hardware and price alone mean nothing without apps and a quality, simple to use OS.

There are apps, and then there are useful/desirable apps. Numbers only count if they represent apps people actually download and use. Today I can find all the useful apps for Android (and run on my tablets) that I've found useful on my iPad. Many developers make versions for both, but some are simply similar apps that have a unique feature or two to set them apart or take adantage of hardware on android devices that the iPad is missing. It's just math, really, extrapolated into the near future. I can already find apps for Android that don't exist for the iPad. Sources for Android apps grow in number while there remains but one Apple. Competition is a good thing!

So, you are saying you have all the same quality apps on Android that you can find in the app store for tablets? I beg to differ. I have more quality apps on my iPad "truly dedicated for the iPad" than the entire Android market for it's tablets. I prefer not to use stretched out, pixelated versions of apps designed for a phone.
I think you are trying to combine all Android apps (both phone and tablet) and give them the same amount of weight. While I can use iPhone apps on the iPad and you can use android OS phone apps on the tablets, they aren't optimized for the tablets and minimize the user experience. Sorry, but that is yet another reason why Android based tablets are failing.

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[4DThinker]

So, out of all your tablets, which one has been the success then?

Archos, a small French company, has reported record sales this year after their android 2.2 based 1Ghz gen8 tablets proved more popular than even they anticipated. My 8th gen Archos 43 has replaced my 4th gen iPod Touch for daily use. Its larger screen and more useful apps make it more valuable. No surprise, really, given Apple's relative inexperience at touchscreen devices. My Archos 70it was my sofa companion (over the iPad2) until I picked up the Acer Iconia Tab. Acer and Asus are also surprised by the popularity of these Tegra-2 tablets running HoneyComb. Demand for the ASUS is still exceeding their production capacity.

Again, specs, hardware and price alone mean nothing without apps and a quality, simple to use OS.

Your assumption is that android doesn't have apps, and isn't a quality, simple to use OS. I'll guess since your user name is "Mac.World" that you haven't used it on the tablets I mention. iOS is simple, I agree. You tap on icons. Guess what? You tap on icons in Android too!

So, you are saying...? I disagree. ... Sorry, but that is yet another reason why Android based tablets are failing.

The error in your thinking is in believing that android tablets are failing, as if they are one product from one company. The fact is that while many android tablets you can buy today won't be in production next year, there are new tablets (like the Asus Transformer and Acer Iconia) that WILL be updated and are succeeding in the market because they will do anything an iPad 2 can do, as well as it does it, and for less money than an iPad 2 costs. If this ASUS or ACER or Samsung tablet doesn't sell well enough to make a profit they'll simply come out with a better one. In the mean time HTC and LG and DELL and Barnes & Noble and Amazon and Archos and a dozen other companies will be taking a shot at that same market. B&N's Nook Color has outsold everyone's estimates. Not because it is a great e-reader, but because it is great hardware that was easily hacked to run Android apps.

You won't believe it, of course. I suggest revisiting this thread in year. Time will tell if android tablets are dead and gone by then, or a larger total market for devices and apps than the iPad is and has.

4D

 

[kdarling]

No, Apple did not create or even come up with The idea. But they were quick to implement it. Smart move.

Exactly. Apple implemented what others just demo'd, and deserve credit for marketing it.

The first public demonstration of the idea was really in Minority Report 9 years ago.

Zoom gestures were shown long before that. The pinch dates back to at least 1983.

The original Human Interface guru who joined Apple in 1978, acknowledges both the above, and talks about also using pinch in the original (before editing) version of his famous Starfire film for Sun in 1993. The former link shows a picture of pinch from his 1996 book on interface design.

 

[Mac.World]

Archos, a small French company, has reported record sales this year after their android 2.2 based 1Ghz gen8 tablets proved more popular than even they anticipated.

Record sales? I guess if you consider selling less than 100,000 units in a year record sales, well, good on ya. But, I'm also guessing you only read French newspapers or Archos websites for your views. I think CNETs reviews of these Archos tablets are a bit more believable.

Acer and Asus are also surprised by the popularity of these Tegra-2 tablets running HoneyComb. Demand for the ASUS is still exceeding their production capacity.

Same company (Acer) that fired their CEO for lack of vision? I'm sure that was a surprise. Asus, the company that produced less than 100,000 Tansformers for worldwide consumption at launch, sells less than 10,000 a month and you call that popular? Not hard for demand to exceed 10,000 production units for worldwide use.

Your assumption is that android doesn't have apps, and isn't a quality, simple to use OS. I'll guess since your user name is "Mac.World" that you haven't used it on the tablets I mention. The fact is that while many android tablets you can buy today won't be in production next year, there are new tablets (like the Asus Transformer and Acer Iconia) that WILL be updated and are succeeding in the market because they will do anything an iPad 2 can do, as well as it does it, and for less money than an iPad 2 costs. If this ASUS or ACER or Samsung tablet doesn't sell well enough to make a profit they'll simply come out with a better one.

Why would I spend my money on products that don't sell, don't get good reviews and in my view are the typical crap products thrown at a wall to see which one sticks? And as you so eloquently pointed out, may not be around in a year and therefore not supported... like so many Android based phones.

And your definition of success and mine are very different. You must be French.

 

[thunng8]

Samsung's offerings aren't the only tablets that are good competition for the iPad. The Tegra-2 10.1 tablets from Acer and Asus beat iPad on price, match it for graphics performance

Match it for graphics performance? I think not. Apple A5 in the ipad2 is at least 2X faster than Tegra2 for graphics:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4225/the-ipad-2-review/5

 

[kdarling]

I prefer not to use stretched out, pixelated versions of apps designed for a phone.

You're thinking of the rough pixel-doubling that Apple uses on your iPad to show iPhone apps in a larger subset of the screen.

Android phone apps are mostly automatically drawn scaled up to fit the display, without pixelation.

Aside from that, I agree with you that the iPad has more tablet-oriented apps at this time.

 

[fizzwinkus]

Actually no, he's not. Android implemented an abstract ui system to try and mitigate this problem, but ipad software will always be better fit.

 

[songmeesay]

there are new tablets (like the Asus Transformer and Acer Iconia) that WILL be updated and are succeeding in the market because they will do anything an iPad 2 can do, as well as it does it, and for less money than an iPad 2 costs.

I have both the Asus Transformer and the iPad2. I love them both, but coming from strictly video playback capabilities, the Transformer, or any other Tegra2 tablet, doesn't playback High Profile 720p videos, whereas my iPad2 plays them butter smooth whether it be with the stock video player or a High Profile 720p MKV with AVPlayerHD. So in this aspect, I'll have to disagree with you that the Tegra2 tablets can do anything as well as the iPad2 can. Don't get me wrong, I'm not an Apple fanboy, but I just wanted to point out my observation with the Asus vs iPad2.